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thusk
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And in wich kind of team they was playing with?
Difference between 0.907 % and 0,918 its 18 goal... 1 goal every 3 game
Like a goal you giving because youre trailing and need to take more risk to come back
Or
Goal youre allowing because your team for forfeit because they was trailing by 2 after 2 as exemple or 1 game your team just didn't +lack of talent whos resulting youre aloowing 6-7 unstead of 3-4
Or
how many supplemental goal youre allowed because youre playing 70% of the time WITHOUT the puck vs 70 % WITH the puck
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18 goal in 55-60 playing in complete different sitiation, still small
A goalie like jarry at 0,909 whos playing in front a great defensive team protecting pretty well their goalie, its not the same than a 0,907 in a trash team outplayed big part of season
BertCorbeau
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Translation: a new GM means the Leafs will be linked to every big name out there so we can get clicks
Why are we talking about Hart? Or any goaltender for that matter?
We have a ton of holes in the forward group to fill and I'm not in love with our defensive makeup either
The UFA class is pretty grim and we've used a lot of assets recently going for it
When I look at our team I think our limited resources (cap, picks and prospects) need to go towards improving the skaters rather than the goaltending because that's where we can get the most improvement imo
We have a ton of holes in the forward group to fill and I'm not in love with our defensive makeup either
The UFA class is pretty grim and we've used a lot of assets recently going for it
When I look at our team I think our limited resources (cap, picks and prospects) need to go towards improving the skaters rather than the goaltending because that's where we can get the most improvement imo
thusk
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I will give you 1 exemple... Bobrovsky had been fantastic in playoff... he allower 4 goal last 2 game not because he was ba but not able to make more even miracle and hide panthers bad d
His sv drop from 0,935 to 0,925 in only 2 game where he was not bad but was resulting of the bad team in front of him.. imagine this scenario happening again and again during a full season...
Bobrovsky is easily the best g of 2023 but watch his stats, its not whats stats saying
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Menzinger
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Looks like a team thats probably tanking again. And looking for guys to eat up the cap
Trade
Nylander
I think this would have to be 2 separate trade
Trade for
We need a center when JT is gone now and when his contract is up.
Luc Dubois RFA C 6'3" 220 lbs
Big tough skilled nasty center behind Matthew's
Assets from the Nylander Trade
Maybe add Lowry to the deal another big Center
Trade
Jamcrock
Brodie
Trade or buyout Murray
LTIR Muzzin
Sign
Schenn 2 mil * 3yrs
Accuri 1.3 mil
Hathaway 1.3 mil
Don't know how everything works with the cap.
Nylander
I think this would have to be 2 separate trade
Trade for
We need a center when JT is gone now and when his contract is up.
Luc Dubois RFA C 6'3" 220 lbs
Big tough skilled nasty center behind Matthew's
Assets from the Nylander Trade
Maybe add Lowry to the deal another big Center
Trade
Jamcrock
Brodie
Trade or buyout Murray
LTIR Muzzin
Sign
Schenn 2 mil * 3yrs
Accuri 1.3 mil
Hathaway 1.3 mil
Don't know how everything works with the cap.
thusk
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A good goalie can hide a lot of hole everywhere in the line # bobrovsky, price, shesterkins, Vasilevskiy
Florida d was awful all playoff long , they let guy all alone in the slot all playoff long but was looking good and even great for some people because of miracle by Bobrosvky...
If we watch expected goal against/game we are close of 4 goal at 3,9 ( the worst of 16 playoff team), exemple tampa was at 3.83 goal allowef/ gm vs leafs ... expected goal/60 played at 3,53... (15th, only rangers had been worst) ... but they are 6th for goal against,so make everyone around him looking better
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With Athanasiou getting paid the way he did, and same goes to Gavrikov. What does that mean for guys like Kerfoot/Kampf/ROR/Bunting.
Fogelhund
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Bobrovsky hasn't been good the last two games... He's basically a guy who hasn't been good for a long time, and went on a what... 12 game heater, and then back to normal.
Nothing really. Some guys get overpaid sometimes... like AA. I don't think the Gavrikov deal is that bad.
How Kerfoot/Kampf/RoR/Bunting get paid depends on a number of factors. If they narrow down where they want to play, and are willing to take what is offered there, and then what the demand is for someone who plays their position, versus the number of similar players. Higher end guys always get more... and then the rest... not so much. Bunting will be an interesting one.
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thusk
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Watch the highlight, how many player all alone in the slot
-Howden breakaway
-Pietrangeli all alone from circle middle ice
-Stone all alone in front the net with at least 3-4 second to do whatever he want
-marchessault all alone goal
-barbashev in slot side of net
-Stone took a great shot when he slidding right in middle of the slot.
-eichel all alone, can control puck enough to take a clean shot
-theodore from middle of d boxes with screen ---goal
-amaizing save vs pietrangelo all alone from circle
-2v1 stephenson all alone and take a good shot stop, bring back the puck send to whitecloud whos scored...
-stone intercept the pass all alone in the slot
11 time in the game, florida let a guy in extreme dangerous area free to tske a shot... outside of their 2 goal they had 2 scoring chance of thst quality... this game could easily finished like 8-2
Gm 2 let watch goal he allowed... marchessault,all alone from faceoff circle with stone screen...
Goal 2 same thing martinez all alone from fo circle with his own d creating a screen
goal 3 roy skating with the puck from the corner to the slot free and again his own D screen Bobrosvky who never had a chance to see the puck
goal 4 howden breaway and amaizing play.. .
player free from fo circle with screen, he had no chance...
You will need to show me WHERE he was bad... gm 2 he had no chance to stop any of first 3 goal, the 4th one he would need toncompletly stole it... the only bad goal allowed maybe whitecloud goal after totally stole like 7 goal of this game ...
It was not about Bobrosvky not being good,its just about how trash again florida D had been and Bobrovsky was not able to stole as much he did previous series...
Samsonov, Woll give Maple Leafs bright outlook in goal, no Hart required
Amid speculation the Maple Leafs might have interest in Flyers goalie Carter Hart, remember they have two capable men in the crease now.
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The Maple Leafs don’t need to trade for goaltender Carter Hart.
In Ilya Samsonov, the Leafs have a goalie who remains on an upward trajectory after getting his netminding house in order this past season.
In Joseph Woll, the Leafs have a goalie who has made it clear he is ready for a full-time job in the National Hockey League, whether that’s as a backup or in a tandem role.
The Philadelphia Flyers, under rookie general manager Daniel Briere, are in rebuild mode, kicking off their new era with the trading of defenceman Ivan Provorov to Columbus in a three-team deal on Tuesday.
Hart could be next to leave Philly, and there’s going to be plenty of interest in a goalie who will turn 25 this summer but already has five seasons in the NHL on his resume. The thinking is Brad Treliving made a call on Hart, which should not be a surprise nor lead anyone to believe that the new Leafs GM is on the cusp of making a trade with Briere.
As he settles into his role with Toronto, Treliving naturally will want to put feelers out with his colleagues across the NHL. One would expect as much.
If the Leafs were to trade for Hart, presumably that would involve giving up at least a first-round pick. The Leafs have some restocking of the farm system to do themselves — Kyle Dubas didn’t leave an organization rich in prospects — and as it is already don’t have a first-round pick in 2025, traded with conditions to Chicago in the deal that brought Jake McCabe and Sam Lafferty to Toronto in February.
Furthermore, trading Matthew Knies when the young winger has proven he will be an everyday player next season, with a bright future no less, would be foolish.
The Leafs would have no guarantee that Hart, who is under contract for one more year with a $3.9-million cap hit before becoming a restricted free agent, would be any better than what they have now in Samsonov. The latter was one of the top goalies in the NHL in 2022-23, posting a .919 save percentage, good for seventh overall. Hart, admittedly playing on a poor Flyers team, had a .907 save percentage, putting him at 24th in that category.
There’s something else to consider. Hart was part of the 2018 Canadian junior team that awaits the report of the investigation of the alleged group sexual assault involving players on that team. Hockey Canada barred players from that team from playing for Canada the world championship this past spring in Latvia.
Until the report is released, teams might not want to trade for players who were on that Canadian junior team, no matter who it is.
Fact is, the Leafs aren’t in scramble mode to improve their goaltending. The issue of Matt Murray and his contract needs to be cleared up, as getting his $4.7-million cap hit (for one more season) off the books would be prudent on the part of Treliving.
Samsonov improved technically in his first year under the guidance of Leafs goaltending coach Curtis Sanford, and from a mental standpoint, Samsonov also took steps. There has been no reason to believe that improvement won’t continue next season.
Fogelhund
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I watched the games. He wasn't good. Poor enough he got pulled last game. You really need to take your blinders off, if you think he's been good the last two games.
Last game he gave up 8-10” above his shoulders on two goals. The same to the right of him on another. And went to the ice far too quickly and played starfish on the last.
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Agreed with all of it.Samsonov, Woll give Maple Leafs bright outlook in goal, no Hart required
Amid speculation the Maple Leafs might have interest in Flyers goalie Carter Hart, remember they have two capable men in the crease now.
The Maple Leafs don’t need to trade for goaltender Carter Hart.
In Ilya Samsonov, the Leafs have a goalie who remains on an upward trajectory after getting his netminding house in order this past season.
In Joseph Woll, the Leafs have a goalie who has made it clear he is ready for a full-time job in the National Hockey League, whether that’s as a backup or in a tandem role.
The Philadelphia Flyers, under rookie general manager Daniel Briere, are in rebuild mode, kicking off their new era with the trading of defenceman Ivan Provorov to Columbus in a three-team deal on Tuesday.
Hart could be next to leave Philly, and there’s going to be plenty of interest in a goalie who will turn 25 this summer but already has five seasons in the NHL on his resume. The thinking is Brad Treliving made a call on Hart, which should not be a surprise nor lead anyone to believe that the new Leafs GM is on the cusp of making a trade with Briere.
As he settles into his role with Toronto, Treliving naturally will want to put feelers out with his colleagues across the NHL. One would expect as much.
If the Leafs were to trade for Hart, presumably that would involve giving up at least a first-round pick. The Leafs have some restocking of the farm system to do themselves — Kyle Dubas didn’t leave an organization rich in prospects — and as it is already don’t have a first-round pick in 2025, traded with conditions to Chicago in the deal that brought Jake McCabe and Sam Lafferty to Toronto in February.
Furthermore, trading Matthew Knies when the young winger has proven he will be an everyday player next season, with a bright future no less, would be foolish.
The Leafs would have no guarantee that Hart, who is under contract for one more year with a $3.9-million cap hit before becoming a restricted free agent, would be any better than what they have now in Samsonov. The latter was one of the top goalies in the NHL in 2022-23, posting a .919 save percentage, good for seventh overall. Hart, admittedly playing on a poor Flyers team, had a .907 save percentage, putting him at 24th in that category.
There’s something else to consider. Hart was part of the 2018 Canadian junior team that awaits the report of the investigation of the alleged group sexual assault involving players on that team. Hockey Canada barred players from that team from playing for Canada the world championship this past spring in Latvia.
Until the report is released, teams might not want to trade for players who were on that Canadian junior team, no matter who it is.
Fact is, the Leafs aren’t in scramble mode to improve their goaltending. The issue of Matt Murray and his contract needs to be cleared up, as getting his $4.7-million cap hit (for one more season) off the books would be prudent on the part of Treliving.
Samsonov improved technically in his first year under the guidance of Leafs goaltending coach Curtis Sanford, and from a mental standpoint, Samsonov also took steps. There has been no reason to believe that improvement won’t continue next season.
Every single word.
Nothing to see here, and Samsonov/Woll is significantly better than Murray/Samsonov.
Cut bait with that deadweight and focus on improving defence.
BertCorbeau
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PLD last year made it known he did not want to be in Winnipeg long term .. I think he wants to just go to Montreal
And that makes a lot of sense for the Habs as well plus they have the assets to do it.
And that makes a lot of sense for the Habs as well plus they have the assets to do it.
LeBrun rumblings: Gavrikov gets NHL trade market rolling, Dubois wants out, DeBrincat's list of teams and more
Also as the NHL offseason hits its early stride: Updates on the Jesper Bratt, Timo Meier, Brock Boeser, and explaining Cole Caufield's deal.
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Nothing like a three-team trade — a rather intriguing one, to boot — to ignite what promises to be a busy next four or five weeks in the NHL.
Danny Briere’s first significant move as Flyers GM was a pretty impressive one, and he’s far from done.
Yes, he’s listening on Carter Hart, so we’ll see where that goes. But I think it’s just generally pretty evident Briere is approaching his job with an open mind and will consider almost anything that advances the program longer-term.
So, for example, my understanding is the Flyers would listen on Travis Konecny if a team really stepped up. I don’t believe there’s been anything thrown at the first-time GM yet on that front. But from what I’m hearing from league sources, I’m confident in saying that the Flyers will get a least one or two serious offers this summer on Konecny, who has two more years on his deal. It’ll be enough to make them think about it.
The rebuild is on in Philadelphia.
Dubois wants a trade this summer
Pierre-Luc Dubois and his camp informed the Jets a year ago that they weren’t inclined to sign long-term, and now my understanding is that veteran agent Pat Brisson has let Winnipeg know that it’s probably best to move on this summer rather than do a one-year deal with the restricted free agent and stretch this out further.
In short, they’ve let the Jets know that Dubois won’t re-sign with them this summer and are hoping the sides can work together to facilitate a trade that works for everyone.
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And yes, the Habs remain an interested party. I believe Montreal GM Kent Hughes is making his rounds and has already checked in with Winnipeg on Dubois. Having said that, I don’t think Montreal is interested in paying a fortune in a trade, especially when you consider the player as of now would be a UFA in a year and any team could sign him then without giving up an asset.
But yes, the Canadiens will be among the teams staying on the Jets and Dubois. They’re not alone, though. There are a few teams looking at it.
DeBrincat camp gives the Senators a list of teams
My understanding is that Alex DeBrincat’s camp, led by agent Jeff Jackson, has given Senators GM Pierre Dorion a shortlist of preferred destinations in case Ottawa decides to go the trade route with the pending RFA winger.
Dorion doesn’t have to trade DeBrincat to one of those teams — he can trade him anywhere he wants — but if the idea is to maximize return on a trade by having DeBrincat signed to a contract extension as part of it, obviously it makes sense to play ball.
Think about how Matthew Tkachuk and his reps provided a list of five teams (Florida, Vegas, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Colorado) to Calgary last summer in helping shape those trade discussions before he was dealt to the Panthers.
I don’t know for sure which teams are on DeBrincat’s list, but I would bet it includes the likes of Nashville, Vegas and Dallas. (Everyone wants to play in Vegas!) And I wonder about a team like Detroit. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Red Wings would be of interest to DeBrincat.
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Who are some reasonable teams who would want/need a winger and would go all out for a Marner or Nylander if we ever decided to test that market? Seattle and Vancouver are the 2 main ones I can think of possibly wanting an elite top line winger.
Seattle has guys like Wright who could be a good #2C behind Matthews, Bjorkstrand, 20th overall pick, McCann ( doubt they'd want to move him but personal bias so I had to name him), Megna (cheap 3rd pair guy to play with offensive d man), Schultz (possibly only a 1 year guy but could be a good fit with Brodie or McCabe). That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Not too familiar with their prospect pool other than Firkus.
Vancouver has the obvious names like Boeser and Garland. Raty would be a must for me imo, 11th pick, Myers ( Not a want but probably has to be in the trade for cap reasons), Demko and Idk what else they got or familiar with their prospects as well.
Winnipeg might be a new one now that Dubois agent confirms he won't sign there. I'd only go after Dubois if he wants to sign here and agrees to a deal before a trade is official. They got mostly older guys and I doubt they want to move many young guys. DeMelo been a fav of mine for a while now, Lowry possibly, 18th pick, Hellebuyck (idk how I feel about trading for him tbh). Perfetti and Lambert I doubt they'd ever move but those are 2 of the younger guys/prospects I like over there.
Chicago is another I know would want to but I don't see us as being good trade partners. They have like 8 picks in the 1st 3 rounds of this draft and 6 next year and getting a few of those would be nice but we would definitely need a roster player and prospect in return as well that they'd be willing to move. Raddysh and Murphy the only 2 guys I like imo maybe Wagner as a throw in to add a depth speed guy, Reichel is a prospect I really like and will be in the NHL next season. Maybe they'd even take Murrays contract off our hands for free haha.
All hypothetical of course but just trying to think of teams who would want a winger and these ones came to mind and who I like on their teams/prospects.
Seattle has guys like Wright who could be a good #2C behind Matthews, Bjorkstrand, 20th overall pick, McCann ( doubt they'd want to move him but personal bias so I had to name him), Megna (cheap 3rd pair guy to play with offensive d man), Schultz (possibly only a 1 year guy but could be a good fit with Brodie or McCabe). That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Not too familiar with their prospect pool other than Firkus.
Vancouver has the obvious names like Boeser and Garland. Raty would be a must for me imo, 11th pick, Myers ( Not a want but probably has to be in the trade for cap reasons), Demko and Idk what else they got or familiar with their prospects as well.
Winnipeg might be a new one now that Dubois agent confirms he won't sign there. I'd only go after Dubois if he wants to sign here and agrees to a deal before a trade is official. They got mostly older guys and I doubt they want to move many young guys. DeMelo been a fav of mine for a while now, Lowry possibly, 18th pick, Hellebuyck (idk how I feel about trading for him tbh). Perfetti and Lambert I doubt they'd ever move but those are 2 of the younger guys/prospects I like over there.
Chicago is another I know would want to but I don't see us as being good trade partners. They have like 8 picks in the 1st 3 rounds of this draft and 6 next year and getting a few of those would be nice but we would definitely need a roster player and prospect in return as well that they'd be willing to move. Raddysh and Murphy the only 2 guys I like imo maybe Wagner as a throw in to add a depth speed guy, Reichel is a prospect I really like and will be in the NHL next season. Maybe they'd even take Murrays contract off our hands for free haha.
All hypothetical of course but just trying to think of teams who would want a winger and these ones came to mind and who I like on their teams/prospects.
Darren Dreger on the Senators ownership situation, how Babcock impacts the Blue Jackets & what changes could come in Winnipeg - TSN.ca
TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger joined the OverDrive guys earlier today to discuss the ownership situation in Ottawa, Columbus' chances to make the playoffs, how much the cap could move, who could be breaking down Winnipeg's door to trade for Dubois or Hellebuyck and how the Jets could reset if they do need to sell players off.
TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger joined the OverDrive guys earlier today to discuss the ownership situation in Ottawa, Columbus' chances to make the playoffs, how much the cap could move, who could be breaking down Winnipeg's door to trade for Dubois or Hellebuyck and how the Jets could reset if they do need to sell players off.
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You seem to be using the elite of the elite and a guy who's been on a month long unsustainable heater as examples of what we should be looking for
We can't afford to get the elite of the elite and one of our guys could get hot at the right time to
One thing I do know is if our skaters are sub par and we have obvious flaws throughout the lineup this goaltender better be bloody good because that's going to take some covering up
thusk
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But you put a goalie who didn't gave a weak goal every game, leafs maybe dont lost gm #1-2-3-5 vs florida and having a complete different story
They are no player as much important than the guy between pipes...
If you switching bobrovsky and Samsonov, we didnt talked about tkachuk like a hero anymore but like a zero because he was bad against leafs...and we would talk about matthews, tavares, marner and nylander in a complete different way because i dont know how many goal bobrov stole to the leafs... im pretty sure youre switching bobrov with samsonov the exact way both team player, leafs win it easily in 4 and we dont talk about they chocking again but about how good they was.. the only thing matter is not the number of points or whatever, its the win...
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Well, Treliving's reputation is that he likes to always keep his options open by getting involved in discussions with every available player. Him and the leafs is a deadly combo for the media.
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