New GM, New Trades and Signings Thread

[WTFMAN99]

I see Hart in similar light to Samsonov in terms of pedigree, upside, and risk. I think he gets more spotlight because he's Canadian but a lot of people seem to forget Sammy was a 1st round draft pick the year prior.

Hart has a better health record though.

And with Woll showing some potential and upside, I don't see it necessary to trade assets to bring in Hart .. might as well save them for other roster upgrades.

That's where I land on it unless it was Saros, a clear cut upgrade.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Rebuild aside, I'm somewhat surprised that PHI is even entertaining the possibility of trading Hart (goalie being a challenging position to address). Although a prospect probably shouldn't serve as a dealbreaker altogether either, I'd actually hesitate to include Niemela in a number of deals as well (with RHD also being a tough position to fill).

It's surprising to me.. I can only rationalize it that they're not that high on Hart anymore and they're trying to salvage some value from him via trade. I believe they have another tender in the system they're high on.

Hart's QO after next season is $3.9 mill .. the Flyers aren't likely to be good so Hart's numbers may struggle. So you may not only see his trade value drop, but then you have to QO him at that price.

It may get to Hart not being qualified next off-season.

 

[ToneDog]

Rebuild aside, I'm somewhat surprised that PHI is even entertaining the possibility of trading Hart (goalie being a challenging position to address). Although a prospect probably shouldn't serve as a dealbreaker altogether either, I'd actually hesitate to include Niemela in a number of deals as well (with RHD also being a tough position to fill).

Flyers rebuilding and didn't they have a kid step up last year in goal ? Perhaps that is why they would move Hart. I'd be afraid if he was involved in the shit that the 2018 team was involved in.

 

[Fogelhund]

Konecny, Laughton, Hart <-> Marner, Samsonov...

Just a thought.

 

[Petes]

Marner(10.9) + Robertson(796k) for Hart(3.9), Konecny(5.5) and Laughton(3.0)

Marner flipped from Philly to a team for prospects and picks

Money out: 11.6M
Money in: 12.4M

Knies-Matthews-Nylander
FA-JT-Konecny
Jarnkrok-Laughton-FA(Brown?)
Holmberg-Acciari-Lafferty

 

[WTFMAN99]

Konecny, Laughton, Hart <-> Marner, Samsonov...

Just a thought.

Konecny, Laughton for 1st, Robertson, Timmins, Hirvonen and Murray?

 

[BertCorbeau]

Marner won’t interest the Flyers if they are rebuilding

 

[thusk]

Hart has shown both some great potential, and to be terrible... depending on when. Perhaps some of that is maturity, and he's just coming into the age you'd want from a goalie. I do wonder what the actual cost would be to acquire? Like you, I wouldn't want to spend a great deal of our trade capital at that position. There are people talking about two first round picks for him, or a potential future #1C or #1D... I don't think the market is that high on goalies personally, but you never know. Samsonov and Niemela... sure.

Whatever if its cost 2 1st... if you can have kind of G who can be in the same kind of category than Oettinger, Sorokin, Saros, Vasilevskiy at 25

0.907 and 0.918 sv % as exemple is 1 goal every 3 game... one less goal you allowing because your need dont always trailing and needed to force play to try to came back in the game... 1 more goal you allowed when your team just forfeit because they get completly dominated..

You get chance to bring a young elite goalie who will become the best leafs goalie of last 20 years. But being affraid to give 2 late 1st pick who can become something good or just completly nothing...

Last 7 leafs pick between 20 to 35

Sandin, korshkov, dermott, gauthier, percy, biggs, finn

Late 1st early 2 dont necessairly giving you quality player

 

[Dreakmur]

Konecny, Laughton for 1st, Robertson, Timmins, Hirvonen and Murray?

That’s not enough, and I don’t think it’s close. The 1st has some value, but it will be a late one. Robertson has little value until his injury issues get cleared up. Timmins has little value. Hirvonen has the value of a mid 2nd round pick. Murray has negative value. Hirvonen is probably the cost of unloading Murray, so they cancel each other out.

Late first, injury riddled Roberson, and a 6/7 defenseman probably gets you Laughton alone.

 

[Fogelhund]

Whatever if its cost 2 1st... if you can have kind of G who can be in the same kind of category than Oettinger, Sorokin, Saros, Vasilevskiy at 25

0.907 and 0.918 sv % as exemple is 1 goal every 3 game... one less goal you allowing because your need dont always trailing and needed to force play to try to came back in the game... 1 more goal you allowed when your team just forfeit because they get completly dominated..

You get chance to bring a young elite goalie who will become the best leafs goalie of last 20 years. But being affraid to give 2 late 1st pick who can become something good or just completly nothing...

Last 7 leafs pick between 20 to 35

Sandin, korshkov, dermott, gauthier, percy, biggs, finn

Late 1st early 2 dont necessairly giving you quality player

I just don't believe goalies have that kind of value. Particularly when a "young elite goalie" is somewhat speculative at this point. Particularly when we also have Samsonov, a bigger goalie, with a better career high SV% and GAA... goalies are a bit voodoo, and Hart's reputation, largely seems impacted by his Team Canada Junior performances. Might he be better than Samsonov... maybe... is there any real evidence to support this... no... not at this point... is the difference between them two first round picks... absolutely not.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[thusk]

I see Hart in similar light to Samsonov in terms of pedigree, upside, and risk. I think he gets more spotlight because he's Canadian but a lot of people seem to forget Sammy was a 1st round draft pick the year prior.

Hart has a better health record though.

And with Woll showing some potential and upside, I don't see it necessary to trade assets to bring in Hart .. might as well save them for other roster upgrades.

The biggest difference is hart was playing with one of worst NHL team and Samsonov one of best

And hart also proven he can stole a complete series, it was hes done vs montreal in his only playoff win... philadelphia was completly outplayed and Hart stole it
Vs
Samsonov who failed every time under pressure in playoff and one of reason caps let samsonov leaving

 

[thusk]

I just don't believe goalies have that kind of value. Particularly when a "young elite goalie" is somewhat speculative at this point. Particularly when we also have Samsonov, a bigger goalie, with a better career high SV% and GAA... goalies are a bit voodoo, and Hart's reputation, largely seems impacted by his Team Canada Junior performances. Might he be better than Samsonov... maybe... is there any real evidence to support this... no... not at this point... is the difference between them two first round picks... absolutely not.

Like i said in a previous post, samsonov was playing his entire carreer in one of top NHL teavs hart in one of worst.

Samsonov stats are pretty bad by considerating in wich kind of team he was... its not the case with Hart...

And 2nd whats rwally matter for lewfs is how theybreact under pressure... samsonov had been trash prwtically everytime during his carreer vs hart who was fantastic with canada jr, he was fantastic the only time he made the playoff... when its matter, he had anility to raise his game, something Samsonov dont have

 

[Fogelhund]

But why?

 

[WTFMAN99]

That’s not enough, and I don’t think it’s close. The 1st has some value, but it will be a late one. Robertson has little value until his injury issues get cleared up. Timmins has little value. Hirvonen has the value of a mid 2nd round pick. Murray has negative value. Hirvonen is probably the cost of unloading Murray, so they cancel each other out.

Late first, injury riddled Roberson, and a 6/7 defenseman probably gets you Laughton alone.

I thought that they were rumored to be looking to move on from Laughton during the year. Maybe I took that to be cap dump too much.

I figured Murray just needs to be in the deal to equal it funds, plus if they're dealing Carter Hart anyway, no big deal, helps the tank.

 

[leafsfan5]

What about a deal around Jarnkrok for Ross Colton

TB has little to no cap so this gets them a 20 goal scorer on a bargain deal (2.1 million). Toronto gets a middle 6 winger with some jam to his game

 

[Americanadian]

I’ve been saying it for awhile. Run Vladar/Woll for <3M the next 2 years. Cash out on Samsonov.

What about a deal around Jarnkrok for Ross Colton

TB has little to no cap so this gets them a 20 goal scorer on a bargain deal (2.1 million). Toronto gets a middle 6 winger with some jam to his game

I’ve also been proposing this for 3 weeks. Makes sense for both teams.

 

[andora]

Konecny, Laughton, Hart <-> Marner, Samsonov...

Just a thought.

Thats one of those nice dirty thoughts

 

[WillNy29]

this guys numbers scream. below average

 

[hockeywiz542]

Quick Shifts: GM Treliving hints at ways he will alter Maple Leafs' identity

In this edition of Luke Fox's Quick Shifts: Will Brad Treliving overhaul Toronto’s defence? Plus, Sheldon Keefe's limbo, Kyle Dubas is still focusing on the fringes, the most wanted buyouts, Milan Lucic wants another shot and seven more NHL goodies.

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Yet, if you look at how Treliving shaped the Calgary Flames during his nine-year stewardship or examine some throwaway lines in his recent radio appearances, there are clues to where he’d like to steer this vessel.

“Do we look at our defence? Are there ways we can augment that?” Treliving wondered during his appearance on Real Kyper & Bourne.

That could be with personnel and with tactics.

When you consider some of the names Trelving sought for Calgary’s D corps — Noah Hanifin, Dougie Hamilton, Rasmus Andersson, Chris Tanev, Nikita Zadorov, MacKenzie Weegar, Troy Stetcher — you see a list of guys with size, edge, or both.

In Toronto, only Justin Holl and seldom-used Erik Gustafsson are UFAs, so maybe there is a trade to be made on the back end.

Treliving believes firmly in winning battles at both net-fronts, so expect new personnel to thrive in those areas.

The GM also wants his players to initiate, not retaliate. To impose their style of play on the opponent, instead of getting too bogged down trying to crack the enemy’s code.

To force the other team into making mistakes by establishing a relentless checking team.

Harder forechecking. A willingness to grind out lower-scoring wins.

Look no further than the Vegas-Florida final for successful examples.

“There’s no flybys in the playoffs,” Treliving stated.

(Yes, the current Leafs have been guilty of a flyby or two.)

So, while we don’t specifically know whom Treliving will try to acquire this summer, we do have an idea of the brand of hockey player he’ll go hunting for.

And while the conversation will continue to circle around the big names up front, the blue line may be where Treliving stamps his own mark on the next Leafs roster.

P.S. Dream for this, Leafs Nation: Elias Lindholm ($4.85-million cap hit) as Toronto’s second-line centre, allowing John Tavares to play the wing.

 

[Martin Skoula]

LOL

 

[Americanadian]

this guys numbers scream. below average

His GSAx/GP has been higher than Hart the last 3 years.

 

[WillNy29]

His GSAx/GP has been higher than Hart the last 3 years.

to be fair I absolutely do not like Hart either but if his advanced metrics are good or above average and the cost is fair then Im fine with that; I think Woll is going to be our starter eventually so I would cash in on Samsonov too (but I do love Samsonov's attitude lol)

 

[Fogelhund]

The challenge with obtaining Lindholm, (assuming it's something like Marner for Lindholm + Weegar), is that then you've got Lindholm, Matthews, Nylander and Liljegren all seeking extensions at the same time. Could it be done... maybe... I've got $9.9 million left in cap space on my roster, with needing to sign one legitimate top six winger. Is it possible to get someone to sign a one year deal, if you overpay?

 

[Americanadian]

to be fair I absolutely do not like Hart either but if his advanced metrics are good or above average and the cost is fair then Im fine with that; I think Woll is going to be our starter eventually so I would cash in on Samsonov too (but I do love Samsonov's attitude lol)

I’d assume the acquisition cost is low. I’m also a Woll believer.