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New Defensively Minded Nazem Kadri

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ErnieLeafs said:
Maybe it was that Kadri had scored 3 goals, and started taking more needless chances, started playing loose?

As a coach, I see kids do it all the time.... why didn't that thought come to mind, before you assumed it was Kadri being lazy, unmotivated, or in other words, generally choosing to say that he didn't care?
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What makes me lean toward my interpretation is Carlyle's talk about Kadri needing work defensively later in the conference: "Getting him to play a 200 foot game"

I'll admit I exaggerated when I said Carlyle "expressly" stated that Carlyle had work ethic problems, but again that was the overall impression I got watching the conference start to finish and listening closely to the Kadri comments.
 
Kulemon said:
Are you kidding? This kid has been rubbed into the dirt by this team. Why do they insist on holding him down and spitting on him?
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Apparently he went into the locker room between periods, lit up a cigar with a stack of $100 bills, and blew smoke in Randy's face.


But in all seriousness, talk about over hyping the kid once again. A 5 page thread based on a 5 second ISO cam from training camp. Suddenly Kadri is a selke nominee?
 
Stix and Stones said:
Kadri is head and shoulders better than Bozak.
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As much as his potential is head and shoulders better than Bozak but his games in the NHL he hasn't done anything. As much as I want him to succeed he hasn't done a thing when called up. I think he deserves his chance but its now or never. If he doesn't develop soon,how long can we wait for him to develop? Can't wait for forever, he has to show what he can do now.
 
NewFang said:
Apparently he went into the locker room between periods, lit up a cigar with a stack of $100 bills, and blew smoke in Randy's face.


But in all seriousness, talk about over hyping the kid once again. A 5 page thread based on a 5 second ISO cam from training camp. Suddenly Kadri is a selke nominee?
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Are you actually being serious right now? Did you read the introduction or no?

Let me quote what I said directly following the link.

"Now before the mudd talkers come out with the excuse that this is solely one play, and only that, let me be the first to confirm that this is the new Kadri. Defensive minded plays have been a constant occurance for quite some time now in the A for Naz. For those who aren't educated with his progress, that is the main reason as to why he's been slotted in at C instead of wing going forward on the Marlies squad. There has been no experimenting of Naz playing Wing for quite some time now, and that is the reason."
 
Badger Mayhew said:
What makes me lean toward my interpretation is Carlyle's talk about Kadri needing work defensively later in the conference: "Getting him to play a 200 foot game"

I'll admit I exaggerated when I said Carlyle "expressly" stated that Carlyle had work ethic problems, but again that was the overall impression I got watching the conference start to finish and listening closely to the Kadri comments.
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I agree, he talked about his 200ft game, and that you were bang on with. I don't think it's a work ethic issue, as this has been driven into Kadri's head. Like I said, it's probably that he got playing loose and was thinking defense as a secondary aspect, or as an option.
 
KuleminFan41 said:
As much as his potential is head and shoulders better than Bozak but his games in the NHL he hasn't done anything. As much as I want him to succeed he hasn't done a thing when called up. I think he deserves his chance but its now or never. If he doesn't develop soon,how long can we wait for him to develop? Can't wait for forever, he has to show what he can do now.
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Agree completely. He's been given lots of chances but didnt show up. The only time we see glimpses of offense are on the PP.
 
Heista18 said:
Are you actually being serious right now? Did you read the introduction or no?

Let me quote what I said directly following the link.

"Now before the mudd talkers come out with the excuse that this is solely one play, and only that, let me be the first to confirm that this is the new Kadri. Defensive minded plays have been a constant occurance for quite some time now in the A for Naz. For those who aren't educated with his progress, that is the main reason as to why he's been slotted in at C instead of wing going forward on the Marlies squad. There has been no experimenting of Naz playing Wing for quite some time now, and that is the reason."
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Yet you decided to make this thread based on a 5 second ISO cam. That's my issue.
 
IMO Kadri's D-play has gotten much better, and deserves a shot in the NHL.

Lupul - Kadri - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Frattin
Kulemin - Bozak - MacArthur

3 legit scoring lines

Brown/Orr - McClement - Komarov
 
He will make the team. There is no way he doesn't based on his play. What kind of example is the new coach and GM setting to the rest of the franchise when he sends him him and basically says "nothing is earned, its all a meritocracy."

If that's what it becomes, and we roll with a line of Macarthur-Conolly-Lombardi, then I will seriously begin to reassess where I stand as a life-long Leafs fan.
 
Durrr said:
Think before you post, can first round draft picks play in the ahl? No. They're either put in the show or back in junior, which is really a mans game vs. a boys game that allows them to continue to develop there bodies and avoid injury due to being thrusted into a game that plays more physical then there bodies can handle. Did you see RNH when he was drafted? He should not have been allowed to play in the NHL no matter how skilled he was. And lastly, if you think there isn't a difference in physical play in the ahl and nhl you're just wrong.
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Players can absolutely be sent to the AHL after being drafted, provided they were not drafted out of the CHL. Still, I'm sure your condescending attitude must mean that you're right.

You can continue to try to drive completely untested and statistically irrelevant notions of 'injuries' despite the fact that players can suffer significant injuries regardless of which level of hockey they play.

I could turn back and argue that sending someone like Nugent-Hopkins back to the WHL would hurt his game because he'd be playing against players much less talented than he is so he would pick up bad habits and likely never learn proper defensive positioning (since he can just outskate everyone).

You can argue different positions like that all day long. There's nothing tangible about either opinion.

In the end, I believe that if a player is talented enough than they should play.
 
Lebanese Leaf said:
He will make the team. There is no way he doesn't based on his play. What kind of example is the new coach and GM setting to the rest of the franchise when he sends him him and basically says "nothing is earned, its all a meritocracy."

If that's what it becomes, and we roll with a line of Macarthur-Conolly-Lombardi, then I will seriously begin to reassess where I stand as a life-long Leafs fan.
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I sincerely hope you're right.
 
Lebanese Leaf said:
He will make the team. There is no way he doesn't based on his play. What kind of example is the new coach and GM setting to the rest of the franchise when he sends him him and basically says "nothing is earned, its all a meritocracy."

If that's what it becomes, and we roll with a line of Macarthur-Conolly-Lombardi, then I will seriously begin to reassess where I stand as a life-long Leafs fan.
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He won't make the team. It's thoroughly embarrassing for an executive to have to send a player making $3.5M or $4.5M on waivers.
 
NewFang said:
Yet you decided to make this thread based on a 5 second ISO cam. That's my issue.
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ISO cam --> recent statements about Carlyle re: Kadri's game --> opening a public forum where people can talk about recent occurrences

There's nothing wrong with this thread. It's a "talk about Kadri's defensive play" thread, not "omg guys let's analyze every second of this vid" thread.

It even came with that caveat.
 
If the statement about Kadri not being on the opening day roster is true... I'm kind of a little sad. I wouldn't have minded seeing him in a top six role. But the Leafs problems aren't scoring, it's defense and keeping the puck out of their net. He won't improve the defense of this team.
 
Guy Boucher said:
Players can absolutely be sent to the AHL after being drafted, provided they were not drafted out of the CHL. Still, I'm sure your condescending attitude must mean that you're right.

You can continue to try to drive completely untested and statistically irrelevant notions of 'injuries' despite the fact that players can suffer significant injuries regardless of which level of hockey they play.

I could turn back and argue that sending someone like Nugent-Hopkins back to the WHL would hurt his game because he'd be playing against players much less talented than he is so he would pick up bad habits and likely never learn proper defensive positioning (since he can just outskate everyone).

You can argue different positions like that all day long. There's nothing tangible about either opinion.

In the end, I believe that if a player is talented enough than they should play.
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You have to have turned 18 by September or have 4 years of junior play.
 
Guy Boucher said:
He won't make the team. It's thoroughly embarrassing for an executive to have to send a player making $3.5M or $4.5M on waivers.
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Nonis didn't sign Connolly or Lombardi. In fact, the no one in the Leafs organization was responsible for Lombardi's contract.

So I don't see why it would be embarrassing for Nonis to waive either of these guys. Plus, why not trade them, I'm sure there is some value, even if it's only a mid-round pick. Addition by subtraction when it comes to these scrubs.
 
Lol at the guy who said Kadri is useless in the NHL outside the power play...

Last year Kadri got almost no PP time, and the only time he really did get a chance was his first callup 2 years ago when he played with Bozak and Kulemin.

Every time Kadri gets called up, he creates a spark, then when he goes 3 games without a point he is made a healthy scratch and eventually sent down.
 
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