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New Defensively Minded Nazem Kadri

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Badger Mayhew said:
Macarthur's the new scapegoat for no reason at all, he set Grabovski up for 75-80% of his goals last year and consistently scores 20 goals no problem.

On the topic of Kadri, I think Carlyle is just being tough on him because he doesn't want him to get lazy. What probably happened is Kadri had a great first period, then he started getting lazy defensively which Carlyle obviously wouldn't let stand.

Carlyle definitely sees the potential there, he just needs to see Kadri bring it 100% for an entire game.
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I don't see the point in demanding this kind of perfection from a rookie when he's got more upside than probably everybody but two guys up front.

If he scored a natural hat trick in a first period NHL game, safe to say that's already put you 80% into the winner's seat. Let him make that contribution and then tweak what he does the rest of the time.
 
G51 K81 said:
They could be protecting Kadri. I'd much rather him be in a winning environment with the Marlies than miss the playoffs with the Leafs. I am sure management agrees with the majority of Leaf fans (based on the playoff poll), that the Leafs aren't good enough to make the playoffs. Next year he will be a lock imo.
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I thought the point of having a guy like Kadri come up was to help create a winning environment.
 
Stephen said:
I don't see the point in demanding this kind of perfection from a rookie when he's got more upside than probably everybody but two guys up front.

If he scored a natural hat trick in a first period NHL game, safe to say that's already put you 80% into the winner's seat. Let him make that contribution and then tweak what he does the rest of the time.
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That's not the kind of coach Carlyle is. He doesn't allow players get lazy and entitled. And it has nothing to do with him making mistakes, it has to do with him not giving 100% effort.

Think Bill Belichick ever lets players get lazy?
 
Stephen said:
The guy's just a softish, completely unremarkable modest producer all losing clubs have. He's like a Tyler Arnason or a Mike York.
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This, this, this and this.

I like MacA. He skates hard and you can tell he truely gives a damn.

That being said, if we honestly want to have a competative playoff team, #1C isn't the only hole that needs to be filled in the top 6.
 
HockeyGuruPitka said:
Its an NHL camp with NHL players. In a shortened season and shortened camp we are going to go with the NHL players. Not enough time to see if someone is ready or not. Those who have the resume will get the jobs.
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What a load of crap.

Translation; we are paying these guys a boatload of money so they aren't going to sit in the pressbox and make us look bad.

Instead they are going to remove all doubt and prove how bad they are on the ice.
 
HockeyGuruPitka said:
Its an NHL camp with NHL players. In a shortened season and shortened camp we are going to go with the NHL players. Not enough time to see if someone is ready or not. Those who have the resume will get the jobs.
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LOL that is honestly hilarious. That goes against what they've all been saying forever now, how every job is up for grabs. Whoever performs, impresses, plays.

Wow.... I honestly can't believe he said that... That's unbelievable.
 
We do not have a competitive NHL team. They hopefully will patiently try to develop one. Where Kadri plays this year is irrelevant in that regard. Some of you seem to have too much emotionally involved in Kadri's immediate success. He will be playing on the Leafs at some point during this season. The constant dissing of players who may or may not be taking his place is terribly futile and ... juvenile.
 
BTW, isn't this Kadri's last year on his contract? How do you resign a guy without really seeing what he can do in the NHL for more than 25 games?
 
Everlong said:
From the sounds of things, it was more of a "bring him down to earth" statement than criticism.
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Are you kidding? This kid has been rubbed into the dirt by this team. Why do they insist on holding him down and spitting on him?
 
Heista18 said:
LOL that is honestly hilarious. That goes against what they've all been saying forever now, how every job is up for grabs. Whoever performs, impresses, plays.

Wow.... I honestly can't believe he said that... That's unbelievable.
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It is your response that is unbelievable. If everything you do not agree with is "unbelievable" you are going to have a very frustrating life.
 
Kulemon said:
Are you kidding? This kid has been rubbed into the dirt by this team. Why do they insist on holding him down and spitting on him?
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Because once he impresses, it gets to his head and he stops caring. Gets lazy defensively, etc.

It has 100% to do with attitude. Until that changes he will never be a Leaf.
 
Carlyl wants players who best fit his defensive system e.g: Kulemin, MacA, Bozak, Steckel, Connolly, JVR, Mcclement, Frattin.

I am dissappointed that Kadri may not get the nod but I have faith that Frattin will flourish in his place.

PS: Is it time to change the old avatar? Been about a year and a half now :P
 
I don't care what anyone says, if Kadri isn't given the chance to play ALL 48 games in the NHL this year then you might as well trade him to a team that would appreciate him and GIVE him the chance to play on their NHL squad.

Kadri has been disrespected, mistreated and never given a fair shake by anyone in this damn organization and it makes me sick. Talk about a way to hurt his confidence. The more and more "were gonna send you down, see how you do and call you up again" ******** the the management says, the more he will bust.

Give this kid ALL 48 games, not 15, not 30. Every game. Then re evaluate him at the end of the year and see where your at, no more beating around the bush!
 
Heista18 said:
BTW, isn't this Kadri's last year on his contract? How do you resign a guy without really seeing what he can do in the NHL for more than 25 games?
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He will be easier to extend not having played many games in the NHL. :D
 
HockeyGuruPitka said:
Its an NHL camp with NHL players. In a shortened season and shortened camp we are going to go with the NHL players. Not enough time to see if someone is ready or not. Those who have the resume will get the jobs.
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I'm beginning to lose faith in this franchise. It's becoming a joke, if it wasn't already.
 
sangreale said:
It is your response that is unbelievable. If everything you do not agree with is "unbelievable" you are going to have a very frustrating life.
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Wake up and think. What he said goes completely against what they've been saying from the start. That my friend, is unbelievable.
 
Heista18 said:
Has Kadri been given a chance to put up 62 points in the NHL? no.

Kadri > Mac and it's not even close when it's all said and done.
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what part do people not understand here? it's called asset management. Even if Kadri outplays Mac what do you do with Mac? you have to showcase the player and wait until you can maximize their return (ie. trade deadline). Once Mac is traded Kadri can step in.

Kadri is an RFA after this season. Even if he plays out the year with the marlies and refuses to re-sign, he's STILL AN ASSET and can be traded for a decent return. Mac is a UFA. His value drops to zero after the season
 
sangreale said:
We do not have a competitive NHL team. They hopefully will patiently try to develop one. Where Kadri plays this year is irrelevant in that regard. Some of you seem to have too much emotionally involved in Kadri's immediate success. He will be playing on the Leafs at some point during this season. The constant dissing of players who may or may not be taking his place is terribly futile and ... juvenile.
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Teams which are not competitive traditionally tend to give their young players important minutes and watch them grow ala the Edmonton Oilers.

But yes, it is disrespectful to trash on the players taking his spot given all the success they've delivered to Toronto.
 
Badger Mayhew said:
That's not the kind of coach Carlyle is. He doesn't allow players get lazy and entitled. And it has nothing to do with him making mistakes, it has to do with him not giving 100% effort.

Think Bill Belichick ever lets players get lazy?
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Yeah but our whole roster is full of those kind of guys. Clarke MacArthur himself is not a guy who gives a consistent effort. Our beloved Mikhail Grabovski shows up 2 out of 3 nights. All I'm saying is the kid will probably give you more impactful performances than the slugs who are ahead of him. If he was trying to make the 2013 Los Angeles Kings, I'd be more inclined to believe you. Here, it's a fake meritocracy built on ageism and waiver politics from what I can tell.
 
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