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OT: NBA Discussion Thread: Part IV

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East Coast Bias said:
Still cannot believe the Post calling him a bust 6 weeks into the season. Half of which he was injured for.

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Off the bat that sounds like a crazy stat, but then when you realize the kid is only 19 years old I guess it makes sense so good for him. It's pretty exciting if for once we actually develop a future all star
 
Knox!! Looking good.

One thing I would be concerned about if the Knicks got lucky and end up with Zion, is them continuing with Mudiay and Hardaway in the back court. That would be terrible.
 
GordonGecko said:
Off the bat that sounds like a crazy stat, but then when you realize the kid is only 19 years old I guess it makes sense so good for him. It's pretty exciting if for once we actually develop a future all star
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He's been good in his last 20 games stretching through December and January.

He still needs to up his shooting % overall. But I think a lot of that will come with experience. His numbers are trending up after just a really bad shooting month of November

November 32% overall, 30% from 3
December 40% overall, 38% from 3
January 43% overall, 34% from 3
 
BroadwayBlues said:
Knox!! Looking good.

One thing I would be concerned about if the Knicks got lucky and end up with Zion, is them continuing with Mudiay and Hardaway in the back court. That would be terrible.
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I’ll be pretty surprised if Mud is still the PG next year since his caphold is pretty big. Assuming Frank doesn’t come into his own in these last 40 games, I’d expect an FA PG, be it a lower level starter like Rubio or Kemba/Kyrie. And THJ bothers me a lot less when he’s playing alongside established stars, as he was much more efficient alongside KP; when he was running pick n pops with the big Latvian all day.

Plus Zion’s playmaking with the ball in his hands is one of his big strengths if we are lucky enough to get him, so Mudiay wouldn’t get to pound the ball as much even if he was brought back.
 
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WOW. Nets beat Houston in Houston in OT despite Harden going off for 58 and the Rockets breaking the all time 3-pt attempt record by 9. The team is now at .500 and 6th in the east. All with LeVert injured for two months now.

The. Nets. Are. Legit.

(Knock wood.)
 
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I wouldn't be against it, but the NBA is kinda weird with trades. It's not like the NHL were the TDL brings opportunity to stack picks or kids.

What would Mudiay realistically bring back? An old player on an expiring contract with a higher cap hit and a late 2nd at best?
 
East Coast Bias said:
I wouldn't be against it, but the NBA is kinda weird with trades. It's not like the NHL were the TDL brings opportunity to stack picks or kids.

What would Mudiay realistically bring back? An old player on an expiring contract with a higher cap hit and a late 2nd at best?
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I don't think it's likely, but the PG-desperate teams (Orlando & Phoenix) do have spare late 1sts from top contenders that they might get suckered into giving up for Mudiay & the Houston 2nd we own this year...if we're lucky...

Although Vonleh is the piece of deadline bait that is more likely to actually net us a 1st if we dangle him.
 
cgf said:
I don't think it's likely, but the PG-desperate teams (Orlando & Phoenix) do have spare late 1sts from top contenders that they might get suckered into giving up for Mudiay & the Houston 2nd we own this year...if we're lucky...

Although Vonleh is the piece of deadline bait that is more likely to actually net us a 1st if we dangle him.
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Yeah I just don't know if a team like Orlando or Phoenix would give up any assets for Mudiay knowing he's a FA. They're not going anywhere. As far as 1st rounders, Boston as 3, Brooklyn has 2 and San Antonio has 2. Maybe SA would trade Toronto's 1st since it'll be late, but not sure what they'd be looking for.

Those Sacramento rumors were interesting. They have no 1st, but the 37th, 43rd and 60th picks. Randolph doesn't play but makes $ on an expiring. A Kanter or Vonleh for Randolph + 43rd would be good. Not sure they'd do it though. But that kind of thing I could see.
 
East Coast Bias said:
Yeah I just don't know if a team like Orlando or Phoenix would give up any assets for Mudiay knowing he's a FA. They're not going anywhere. As far as 1st rounders, Boston as 3, Brooklyn has 2 and San Antonio has 2. Maybe SA would trade Toronto's 1st since it'll be late, but not sure what they'd be looking for.

Those Sacramento rumors were interesting. They have no 1st, but the 37th, 43rd and 60th picks. Randolph doesn't play but makes $ on an expiring. A Kanter or Vonleh for Randolph + 43rd would be good. Not sure they'd do it though. But that kind of thing I could see.
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There's been rumors about Philly considering swapping a 1st for Vonleh. So if things went our way we could, theoretically, snag a 1st for Vonleh, a 2nd (or two) from the Kings for Kanter (& Hezonja if they want him to), and a 2nd (or two) from the Suns for Mudiay.
 
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It'll be interesting to see if Perry does show the balls to sell well or if he'll succumb to the pressure of holding onto these "potential diamonds in the rough". Cause we'd be in a really good spot with an extra 1st and some extra 2nds to work with. That could make moving Lee easier even if CHI & HOU don't wanna work a 3-way around Lee & Lance, Knight & HOU's 1st, and Parker...and also give us some more ammo with which to upgrade THJ.

Ideally -- if we don't get KD or any lotto luck -- we'd pull all of that off before: drafting Hunter or Little with our 1st; signing Kemba and a 4 like Vonleh / Green / Randle / AFA with our cap space, leaving the room-exception to use on a depth 1-4; and then...after AD had been traded away for futures...getting the Pels to agree to Jrue <--> THJ + PHI 1st + NYK 1st (2020), with those extra seconds available to sweeten the pot as needed. Which would leave us heading into next season with something like:

Walker | Frank
Holiday | Trier
Knox | Dotson
Vonleh* | Little**
KP | Mitch | Kornet
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room MLE & SRP(s)


*JaMychal Green / Marcus Morris / Julius Randle / Al-Farouq Aminu / Taj Gibson
**DeAndre Hunter
ShamSports | Capulator
 
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Tough loss to the Rockets tonight,but a fun game.Trier and Robinson were great.Frank another 0 points.I can see him being moved at some point.Now shooting 35% for the season.
 
>James Harden pours in 61 points at Madison Square Garden, tying Kobe Bryant for the most points by an opposing player at MSG.

How come everyone that comes into MSG has career-best games?
 
Why would we trade Frank now that things are starting to slow down for him & he’s getting comfortable running a team?

...especially for DSJ when we already have Mudiay & Trier?
 
East Coast Bias said:
Yeah........the thing about DSJ is that he's basically Mudiay.
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He's nowhere near as bad defensively as Mudiay and a better catch n shoot guy, but with the ball in his hands their games are far too similar for me. So it's not that I just dislike the player completely, especially as a microwave off the bench (like Trier), but I don't want Mudiay on the team moving forward and I don't want Trier starting moving forward, so you can guess how I feel about starting DSJ moving forward...

Frank OTOH is still intriguing to me...albeit no less a question mark...especially with him looking a lot more comfortable under pressure & attacking off the dribble, of late. Hell if things keep slowing down for him as a floor general; he becomes the 3pt shooter that his mechanics & FT% indicate he should grow into; and he becomes an average or even above average finisher in the paint as his body fills out -- all of which are still perfectly achievable for the 20yo -- he could still become a very good offensive player...nevermind his all-NBA potential defensively...especially for a team that has scorers in the frontcourt, and so doesn't need its PG to carry the load as a scorer.
 
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cgf said:
He's nowhere near as bad defensively as Mudiay and a better catch n shoot guy, but with the ball in his hands their games are far too similar for me. So it's not that I just dislike the player completely, especially as a microwave off the bench (like Trier), but I don't want Mudiay on the team moving forward and I don't want Trier starting moving forward, so you can guess how I feel about starting DSJ moving forward...

Frank OTOH is still intriguing to me...albeit no less a question mark...especially with him looking a lot more comfortable under pressure & attacking off the dribble, of late. Hell if things keep slowing down for him as a floor general; he becomes the 3pt shooter that his mechanics & FT% indicate he should grow into; and he becomes an average or even above average finisher in the paint as his body fills out -- all of which are still perfectly achievable for the 20yo -- he could still become a very good offensive player...nevermind his all-NBA potential defensively...especially for a team that has scorers in the frontcourt, and so doesn't need its PG to carry the load as a scorer.
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Wish i shared your optimism about Frank,but i dont.I've seen a 2nd year player whos numbers have regressed across the board.35% from the field,30% from 3,and turns the ball over far too much to be a p.g.
 
mrmovies779 said:
Wish i shared your optimism about Frank,but i dont.I've seen a 2nd year player whos numbers have regressed across the board.35% from the field,30% from 3,and turns the ball over far too much to be a p.g.
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He's not a PG, and his ability to score at this stage doesn't matter. Knicks are three years from where Frank scoring or not scoring is going to matter.

Trading him for DSJ is terrible. Ball dominant PGs who can't really shoot are available every year all over the place. Elfrid Payton was 1/3M and DSJ is a guy who is gonna tank the minute he loses any athleticism.
 
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effen said:
He's not a PG, and his ability to score at this stage doesn't matter. Knicks are three years from where Frank scoring or not scoring is going to matter.

Trading him for DSJ is terrible. Ball dominant PGs who can't really shoot are available every year all over the place. Elfrid Payton was 1/3M and DSJ is a guy who is gonna tank the minute he loses any athleticism.
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I didnt say trade him for DSJ,i just dont have any faith he will ever get better.1,2,3 or 8 years from now.He was a bad pick and its showing.
 
effen said:
He's not a PG, and his ability to score at this stage doesn't matter. Knicks are three years from where Frank scoring or not scoring is going to matter.

Trading him for DSJ is terrible. Ball dominant PGs who can't really shoot are available every year all over the place. Elfrid Payton was 1/3M and DSJ is a guy who is gonna tank the minute he loses any athleticism.
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Not even three years. That could very easily be the case as soon as next season.

Porzingis
Knox
Barrett/Reddish/Culver

Porzingis
Zion/Durant
Knox

With some combination of these scorers, people will start to really like Ntilikina.
Mudiay's and DSj style doesn't fit with multiple scorers.

Let's hope Knicks management has some foresight with this.
 
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