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OT: NBA Discussion Thread: Part IV

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cgf said:
*shrug* Who’s actually tanking? There’s 5 terrible teams who are trying to build up some young talent. It’s not like any of them could be winning a lot more & are just refusing to hurt their tank.
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You say that but it's not just in game decisions that go into tanking you also have to consider coach and roster choices, length of rehab treatments. No player worth anything tries to lose but management does choose if they put their team in the best position to win

Bulls & Cavs are definitely tanking hard on purpose
 
GordonGecko said:
You say that but it's not just in game decisions that go into tanking you also have to consider coach and roster choices, length of rehab treatments. No player worth anything tries to lose but management does choose if they put their team in the best position to win

Bulls & Cavs are definitely tanking hard on purpose
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Living in Chicago, with many friends who cheer for the Bulls, I wish they were actually tanking & not just incompetent. GarPax genuinely thought they would be a playoff team this year. They’re on some Isiah-shit.

I’ll give you Cleveland. But Phoenix certainly isn’t, they went out & got a great coach, signed a vet to help stabilize their kids & fires their GM for not getting a starting PG.

And the Knicks & Hawks are both in the talent acquisition stage of a rebuild, neither of them are actively tanking.
 
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I really hope Cleveland do not get the 1st overall. Atlanta neither. Atlanta had Doncic and declined. Not feeling bad for them.
 
East Coast Bias said:
I really hope Cleveland do not get the 1st overall. Atlanta neither. Atlanta had Doncic and declined. Not feeling bad for them.
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I would be ok with Atlanta getting him just because I think that would be a fun young team with Zion, Trae, Collins, Huerter, Prince, Spellman & their extra picks. Passing on Luka is dumb, but I’m ok with mistakes that come from teams’ trying to learn from previous mistakes. And adding Luka to a team with nothing around him could’ve lead right back to the treadmill they were on before this rebuild...so I can understand the logic of moving back for a rawer prospect + extra premium picks, to lengthen the time they have to collect top picks & develop kids, while adding more rolls of the die.

Now it was still an obvious mistake because you tank so that one of the kids you get can become a guy like Luka, but there’s logic to wanting to load up on enough young talent that if you do get an AD / Luka / Embiid / KP, you’ll be able to actually build a serious squad around them and not end up Pels’ing it.


But yeah f*** Cleveland. Even if I didn’t have a personal grudge against that shit hole & the POS state troopers that harass people on the interstates around it; that team has had enough 1st overall picks for a lifetime.

The Suns are the other team I’d hate to see get the pick. They’ve wasted plenty of young talent & high picks already, and unlike Atlanta they didn’t even have a plan that makes sense if we ignore the gap between Luka & Ayton / Bagley / Trae. If they had a competent FO, I’d say they should make a play for Fultz & see where Fultz-Booker-Ayton with an army of long wings will take them, but I don’t trust them to give Fultz the guidance & peace to get back on track like I would a team like Indiana.

...since I’m friends with too many bulls fans, I can’t be to mad if they get Zion...even if their incompetence would warrant dropping in the lottery.
 
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If Phoenix get #1 pick I wouldn't be surprised if they trade down. That's a team in desperate need of a point guard.
 
Machinehead said:
The guy is that good, huh?

I'm not a basketball expert, but I've heard he's a big deal.
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A little of column A and a little of column B with it being 'Zion is that special' and 'the gap between him & the rest is just that big'.

This draft gets more shit than I think it deserves outside of Zion. As there's a good 7-8 guys who I'd be intrigued enough by to use a top 10 pick on...even if I exclude Barrett; whose game I just don't like at all...although "7-8 guys" includes Garland, who has missed the whole season; Morant, whose shooting is a little concerning; and Bol Bol, who is a gamble to make good on his potential and who would make no sense for teams who are already set at the 5...like us...

But even though I'd be happy to add any of Culver / Little / Hunter / Garland / Morant to this knicks young core, Zion is just in a class of his own. His handle, finesse around the hoop, playmaking instincts, and the energy he plays with, are exciting as f*** with his simply freakish athleticism, quickness & power...even if he never cleans up his shooting mechanics, which he has made big strides with over the past year or two. Highlights of young-Barkley are the only thing I've ever seen that are like watching Zion...
 
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cgf said:
A little of column A and a little of column B with it being 'Zion is that special' and 'the gap between him & the rest is just that big'.

This draft gets more **** than I think it deserves outside of Zion. As there's a good 7-8 guys who I'd be intrigued enough by to use a top 10 pick on...even if I exclude Barrett; whose game I just don't like at all...although "7-8 guys" includes Garland, who has missed the whole season; Morant, whose shooting is a little concerning; and Bol Bol, who is a gamble to make good on his potential and who would make no sense for teams who are already set at the 5...like us...

But even though I'd be happy to add any of Culver / Little / Hunter / Garland / Morant to this knicks young core, Zion is just in a class of his own. His handle, finesse around the hoop, playmaking instincts, and the energy he plays with, are exciting as **** with his simply freakish athleticism, quickness & power...even if he never cleans up his shooting mechanics, which he has made big strides with over the past
year or two. Highlights of young-Barkley are the only thing I've ever seen that are like watching Zion...
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He would be absolutely insane to watch at the Garden. He would eat up every minute of it too.
 
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East Coast Bias said:
He would be absolutely insane to watch at the Garden. He would eat up every minute of it too.
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Yeah, that kid is going to raise the excitement level wherever he lands because of his game & personality, but him & KP in the garden every night with Knox, Frank, Dot, Mitch, Kornet, Zo, etc.? That could be the hottest ticket in the league with or without a big time FA.
 
cgf said:
Unless you’re trading for a young star PG like Fox, you can’t trade out of that pick in this draft.
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No reason they can't trade down to 4-5, pick Morant and gain more assets.
 
darko said:
No reason they can't trade down to 4-5, pick Morant and gain more assets.
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I mean, they technically could. Any team that ends up picking 4th or 5th would happily give up a king's ransom to move up to #1. Doesn't make it any less bad an idea. :dunno:
 
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GordonGecko said:
Again, I can't see how it's humanly possible for this team to suck as bad as the cavs suns and bulls. And serious F the cavs if they get zion it would be like the Penguins all over again
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I can see the Lakers just missing the playoffs and miraculously getting the #1 pick.
 
sbjnyc said:
I can see the Lakers just missing the playoffs and miraculously getting the #1 pick.
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In 2015, when the thought was, there was 3 big prospects, suspiciously only the Knicks and Lakers positions changed. :skeptic:

I remember Woj trolling or teasing Knick fans claiming the Knicks are going to just miss out on the big three. Yeah, how that work out Woj? :rolleyes:
 
BroadwayBlues said:
In 2015, when the thought was, there was 3 big prospects, suspiciously only the Knicks and Lakers positions changed. :skeptic:

I remember Woj trolling or teasing Knick fans claiming the Knicks are going to just miss out on the big three. Yeah, how that work out Woj? :rolleyes:
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To be honest I'm not a huge KP fan. I was hoping for Towns or Okafor and we get KP and now Mudiay as well. Knicks are really bad without KP but even with him they're not a good team.
 
sbjnyc said:
To be honest I'm not a huge KP fan. I was hoping for Towns or Okafor and we get KP and now Mudiay as well. Knicks are really bad without KP but even with him they're not a good team.
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It's hard to pin any of that on him though.

In his first 2 seasons here, they spent $225m on Lopez, O'Quinn, Afflalo, Derrick Williams, Noah, and Lee.
 
sbjnyc said:
To be honest I'm not a huge KP fan. I was hoping for Towns or Okafor and we get KP and now Mudiay as well. Knicks are really bad without KP but even with him they're not a good team.
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Wolves suck with KAT.

Hard for one player to change the fortunes of a team.
 
darko said:
Wolves suck with KAT.

Hard for one player to change the fortunes of a team.
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Knicks thought they had some talent with him but clearly they were mistaken. Knicks still need that #1 talent and I don't think KP is it. He's a good player but won't carry the team IMO.
 
KP had last year’s garbage team on the cusp of a playoff spot when he got hurt...but sure, he doesn’t help a team win & we’d have 30 losses right now even if he was healthy...
 
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There's very few players in this league who can drag teams far. You can count them on one hand.

Durant didn't win till he went to GS. Anthony Davis can't drag NO anywhere. Towns can't with Minnie. Westbrook with OKC. Giannis and the Bucks are real good this year, but we'll see.

I don't think Porzignis alone can carry you, because he's not Lebron. No one is.
 
cgf said:
KP had last year’s garbage team on the cusp of a playoff spot when he got hurt...but sure, he doesn’t help a team win & we’d have 30 losses right now even if he was healthy...
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Knicks were 10 games under 500 when he got hurt. He's obviously much better than anyone else on the team (other than maybe Knox but hard to compare such different positions) but KP says he's "tired" mid-season yet barely plays 30 mpg (I don't know how seriously to take it but it's a real bad look). He would have been 16th in the league in scoring so about league average for a team's top scorer but average isn't good enough in the NBA as top heavy as it is. His only other meaningful stat is his ability to block shots but other than that his defense is bad but to be fair that's probably more on Hornacek than him. He's a very good player but he's not the guy they should build around. They need a guy like Durant and a top 3 draft pick wouldn't hurt. I'm not advocating the Knicks should trade him but do you give him a max contract? What do you do if the Spurs offer sheet him at the end of the season?
 
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