Nazem Kadri Future

[rdawg1234]

What do you mean my logic? I simply asked when do the Leafs pull the plug on the kid. Its his 4th year to try and crack the line-up, which he hasnt been able to do yet, so when does TML management trade him. Schenn has had injuries and been traded, so you cant compare the two. Schenn is also on the Philly roster and contributed in the play-offs. Kadri hasnt done anything to make the roster. The kid needs more work, plain and simple.

My point was managment hasnt given him a chance ON the roster.

If I'm trading this guy. I give him a full season to prove himself before doing so.

The schenn trade was to put them over the top, and he has not shown any reason for being picked 5th overall yet. But he definitely deserves a chance.

I want Kadri up here for all 48 games, especially with him already being hockey conditioned from the marlies.

 

[Confucius]

My point was managment hasnt given him a chance ON the roster.

If I'm trading this guy. I give him a full season to prove himself before doing so.

The schenn trade was to put them over the top, and he has not shown any reason for being picked 5th overall yet. But he definitely deserves a chance.

I want Kadri up here for all 48 games, especially with him already being hockey conditioned from the marlies.

I'd like to see him play center in place of the free wallet as well.

 

[Leafidelity]

How very Maple Leafs that some want to pull the plug on a young player.

 

[CerebralDevil]

Im not saying to pull the plug first of all, and secondly if the guy is so great and so much potential like everyone keeps saying, then why does management keep sending him down? Obviously the guy has flaws and needs to fix them this year and from what I have seen he hasnt improved his face-offs or defensive coverage.

 

[rdawg1234]

Im not saying to pull the plug first of all, and secondly if the guy is so great and so much potential like everyone keeps saying, then why does management keep sending him down? Obviously the guy has flaws and needs to fix them this year and from what I have seen he hasnt improved his face-offs or defensive coverage.

Wilson for some reason didnt like him.

he seemed fine on the team after that first stint of 29 games, he gets really into it.

Then it was just unlucky, he was gonna make it out of camp, but got injured so he was set back a bit. Then for some reason they kept calling him up and down.

 

[Confucius]

How very Maple Leafs that some want to pull the plug on a young player.

I know, wow he didn't crack the lineup as a teenager. Oh crap

 

[CerebralDevil]

Im a huge Leafs fan just like everyone else, and I believe in what Nonis stated, not trading youth for Vets, believe in trading young talent for other young talent. Now with Kadri, he isnt a #1 centre and I think we all can agree with that (well most of us), if there is a chance to trade Kadri in a package for someone like Getz, ROR, Stasny or some other young #1 centre I believe we make that trade. Kadri IMO is a 2nd winger at best and a 3rd line centre like Bozak (at this time in their careers) Realistically can Kadri cover any of the 1st or 2nd line centres in the Eastern conference? Can he win face-offs, especially in the defensive zone? The speed and size in the NHL is too much for him at centre right now, winger ya he can do to learn from but centre? Nope

 

[Leafs For Life*]

Im a huge Leafs fan just like everyone else, and I believe in what Nonis stated, not trading youth for Vets, believe in trading young talent for other young talent. Now with Kadri, he isnt a #1 centre and I think we all can agree with that (well most of us), if there is a chance to trade Kadri in a package for someone like Getz, ROR, Stasny or some other young #1 centre I believe we make that trade. Kadri IMO is a 2nd winger at best and a 3rd line centre like Bozak (at this time in their careers) Realistically can Kadri cover any of the 1st or 2nd line centres in the Eastern conference? Can he win face-offs, especially in the defensive zone? The speed and size in the NHL is too much for him at centre right now, winger ya he can do to learn from but centre? Nope

1. Ror-2nd line center, Getz/Staz=middle aged 1C. So no young 1C listed.
2. lol, he is not a 2nd winger, at best. That's a probable out come. At best, he is an 80 point player. And lol, do you know what incorparates into a 3C?
3. He is a young center, and like any other one he will either struggle at 1st with NHL level defensive responsibilities, or be put on the wing and gradually transition.
4. to the last sentence, he is average size of the NHL. And a fast player so..

 

[CerebralDevil]

1. Ror-2nd line center, Getz/Staz=middle aged 1C. So no young 1C listed.
2. lol, he is not a 2nd winger, at best. That's a probable out come. At best, he is an 80 point player. And lol, do you know what incorparates into a 3C?
3. He is a young center, and like any other one he will either struggle at 1st with NHL level defensive responsibilities, or be put on the wing and gradually transition.
4. to the last sentence, he is average size of the NHL. And a fast player so..

ROR would easily be a #1 here, Getz is 27 and a huge impact. only 5yr differance
80 points????????? Really? WOW!
Yes I get that, thats why I said it.
As for speed Im not talking foot/skate speed, I'm talking about reads. How quick do you think he will be able to make reads on the ice? And as for size Im talking about playing bigger than you are in both ends.

 

[Snow Dog]

Haven't seen him play this year in person,only on TV,so it's hard to judge him.The Leafs don't need another third or fourth liner,he is being groomed for the top six and I'm not sure he is there yet as he still is careless in his own zone.The last thing the Leafs need is another guy that can score but winds up being a minus twenty by seasons end.


I'd give him twenty or so games before deciding on his future with the Leafs.The only problem is,if he is a bust in the NHL after twenty games he won't be worth anything in a trade.

 

[CerebralDevil]

haven't seen him play this year in person,only on tv,so it's hard to judge him.the leafs don't need another third or fourth liner,he is being groomed for the top six and i'm not sure he is there yet as he still is careless in his own zone.the last thing the leafs need is another guy that can score but winds up being a minus twenty by seasons end.


I'd give him twenty or so games before deciding on his future with the leafs.the only problem is,if he is a bust in the nhl after twenty games he won't be worth anything in a trade.

bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[HenryH]

Let him play full seasons in the NHL and have him develop his game there to succeed. I feel he will do fine and become a top 6 forward for the Leafs just watching him play over the last 2 years. We're not asking him to be a savior here.

 

[ULF_55]

Kadri is going to be given another chance, like prospects normally do.

It is up to him, and he has a head start as he'll be competing against players who haven't played in over 8 months.

No reason why he can't beat out someone for a spot.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Haven't seen him play this year in person,only on TV,so it's hard to judge him.The Leafs don't need another third or fourth liner,he is being groomed for the top six and I'm not sure he is there yet as he still is careless in his own zone.The last thing the Leafs need is another guy that can score but winds up being a minus twenty by seasons end.


I'd give him twenty or so games before deciding on his future with the Leafs.The only problem is,if he is a bust in the NHL after twenty games he won't be worth anything in a trade.

Exactly Kadri has to carve out a niche at the NHL level. Otherwise he becomes the next Brule or Brassard. Amazing players if the game didn't mean anything. But on winning teams struggle to find a role.

Personally I see Kadri as a shootout specialist and top set up winger on the powerplay. Even strength I could see him developing into a player capable of how the type of impact a Versteeg or Marchand have with that edge to their game and sometimes make unconventional plays.

 

[HOTD]

How very Maple Leafs that some want to pull the plug on a young player.

Seriously. Just let the kid develop.

Does anyone watch the Toronto Raptors? Has anyone seen the huge strides that T. Ross has taken in 30 games or so? There were no expectations, no rushing him. They just let him practice and play. He started off very slow, no confidence, not much presence out there. But now, wow. Small sample size but he can play.

Just let Kadri come up and learn the ins and outs of the game... have one of the older guys really take him under his wing, and teach him. I would love to see him play 48 games this year.

 

[Stephen]

Exactly Kadri has to carve out a niche at the NHL level. Otherwise he becomes the next Brule or Brassard. Amazing players if the game didn't mean anything. But on winning teams struggle to find a role.

Personally I see Kadri as a shootout specialist and top set up winger on the powerplay. Even strength I could see him developing into a player capable of how the type of impact a Versteeg or Marchand have with that edge to their game and sometimes make unconventional plays.

Not to make excuses for Nazem Kadri, but if I'm thinking about this logically as management, I will take the chance on the super talented kid with the defensive flaws and let him contribute offensively and refine himself as a hockey player rather than just stick with our other soft/defensively irresponsible mediocre forwards. At least Kadri has big upside, unlike the litany of MacArthur/Connolly/Lombardi types who have gotten stuck on the roster.

 

[ConnorTO]

wow 42% dont want to see this guy on the team

lack of belief in their own prospects.. no idea

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Not to make excuses for Nazem Kadri, but if I'm thinking about this logically as management, I will take the chance on the super talented kid with the defensive flaws and let him contribute offensively and refine himself as a hockey player rather than just stick with our other soft/defensively irresponsible mediocre forwards. At least Kadri has big upside, unlike the litany of MacArthur/Connolly/Lombardi types who have gotten stuck on the roster.

I agree that the time for primetime for Kadri is this season and he needs an opportunity to be in the lineup regularly.

As Detroit has proven it's better to have a player in the show a day late then a day early.

Everybody forgets Connolly was once a 5th overall pick and has outscored Kadri at every level or Lombardi once scored 130 points in junior (a lot more then Kadri ever did).

 

[kihei]

He'd better.

 

[LeafOfBread]

wow 42% dont want to see this guy on the team

lack of belief in their own prospects.. no idea

Not necessarily, I think a lot of people voted no because they see Kadri getting traded soon due to all the rumours swirling around. That's pretty much the reason why I voted no, even though I am a huge Kadri fan and really hope he gets a fair chance here and thrives.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

wow 42% dont want to see this guy on the team

lack of belief in their own prospects.. no idea

It's not lack of belief on my part. Kadri will be a good player just where is the question. I recognize Kadri simply put is an asset (or a chess piece) and their is very little loyalty in sports.

Simple as that.

 

[Snow Dog]

wow 42% dont want to see this guy on the team

lack of belief in their own prospects.. no idea

I wonder if it is don't want or don't expect to see.

 

[TheOneArmedMan]

With the way the Leafs act towards prospects I doubt Kadri will be here. I would like to see him play but they always seem to trade away good prospects.

 

[dimi78]

It's not lack of belief on my part. Kadri will be a good player just where is the question. I recognize Kadri simply put is an asset (or a chess piece) and their is very little loyalty in sports.

Simple as that.

Well that's the issue than isn't it... Young guys especially super talented ones that aren't instant stars like Kadri on a loosing team require a certain amount of loyalty if you're ever going to properly develop them.

Kadri, Gardiner, Rielly are just as important to this team as Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul are...

If I have 1 pet peeve with Burke is that he's done a miss justice to his young guys in being able to crack the NHL team, too many road blocks should have been cleared still haven't been cleared. None of the young guys from the Marlies will make the team again cause there's no room for them. This isn't high school sports guaranteed contracts mean just that a guaranteed roster spot to start the year. If a kid that doesn't have to clear wavers is to make the team room needs to be created 1st other wise the odds are unnecessarily against them to crack a line up of a team that's been missing the playoffs which IMO is stupid. Exactly why did Burke trade for Franson and take on Lombardi's contract to land him if there was no commitment to use him as a top 4 D men right from the start?... What did he expect or anybody as of matter of fact expect from Kadri when in the NHL he's been lined with spare parts?

I hope Carlyle and Nonis show more commitment to the youth at the NHL level than the Burke- Wilson combo did. Mac, Lombardi should not be part of this team this season as it should have been at the start of last season's camp.

Kadri should be on the 2nd line with Grabo and JVR, Frattin should be with Kulemin on the 3rd line checking line asked to challenge the opposing teams top line and produce offense on it. Commit to them and watch them grow AT THE NHL LEVEL.

Why is it that people think NHL ready for a young guy means is fully developed to be the player they project to be? There's something to be said about DEVELOPMENT AT THE NHL LEVEL. Why have the Leafs shyed from doing this with a non playoff team boggles my mind.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Well that's the issue than isn't it... Young guys especially super talented ones that aren't instant stars like Kadri on a loosing team require a certain amount of loyalty if you're ever going to properly develop them.

Kadri, Gardiner, Rielly are just as important to this team as Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul are...

If I have 1 pet peeve with Burke is that he's done a miss justice to his young guys in being able to crack the NHL team, too many road blocks should have been cleared still haven't been cleared. None of the young guys from the Marlies will make the team again cause there's no room for them. This isn't high school sports guaranteed contracts mean just that a guaranteed roster spot to start the year. If a kid that doesn't have to clear wavers is to make the team room needs to be created 1st other wise the odds are unnecessarily against them to crack a line up of a team that's been missing the playoffs which IMO is stupid. Exactly why did Burke trade for Franson and take on Lombardi's contract to land him if there was no commitment to use him as a top 4 D men right from the start?... What did he expect or anybody as of matter of fact expect from Kadri when in the NHL he's been lined with spare parts?

I hope Carlyle and Nonis show more commitment to the youth at the NHL level than the Burke- Wilson combo did. Mac, Lombardi should not be part of this team this season as it should have been at the start of last season's camp.

Kadri should be on the 2nd line with Grabo and JVR, Frattin should be with Kulemin on the 3rd line checking line asked to challenge the opposing teams top line and produce offense on it. Commit to them and watch them grow AT THE NHL LEVEL.

Why is it that people think NHL ready for a young guy means is fully developed to be the player they project to be? There's something to be said about DEVELOPMENT AT THE NHL LEVEL. Why have the Leafs shyed from doing this with a non playoff team boggles my mind.

Players need to learn to be pros. The way Kadri has been treated in terms of games played is very similar to the way Ribs, Roy, Marchand or even Grabo were treated and they've turned out to be good players.

Every player is different and we can't just say Kadri should have been in the show all along. Don't forget that going to aggressively with a youth movement is exactly why Schenn is no longer with the Leafs and may never become the Dman he could have if he had been brought along slowly and learned to be a pro.

Toronto was very asset poor in every single way when Burke arrived. Acquiring Lombardi only cost us cap space and brought us an asset in Franson. Both of these assets can still be turned around for something better. If Lombardi and Franson both get traded this season for just draft picks are we not better off for it?

Check out the lineup of any team from 5 to 7 years ago and you'll the teams that continually make smart moves end up being the best teams. Like Chicago overloading on draft picks or the Rangers overloading on picks or the Kings overloading on picks.