need to package Marleau (if willing NTC) with one of the following Kadri/Kapenen/AJ. Then another trade w/ Brown and similiar adds. Teams wont be knocking the doors down to save Toronto. Possibly Faulk or Hamilton from Carolina but not the same deal we could've had earlier. A one for one will not address the cap issue. Should be interesting.
Salary Cap: Nazem “Suspension” Kadri – Cap casualty?
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Isolated - Do you have any idea how many times Kadri's been suspended?
Coincidence - LOL wut? I'd like to hear the explanation for this, like every time a Maple Leaf gets suspended, the fact that it's always Kadri is just a coincidence?
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I don’t remember the first one.
Second was Granlund(?), right? Finished his check on a guy with his head down? Lynch him!
Third was Dubnyk, I think? Minnesota goalie. Not really concerning.
4-5- Wingels + DeBrusk weren’t the same at all?
While I agree the discipline is rightfully called into question, I don’t see these two most recent as history repeating themselves. They were different plays. He isn’t breaking the same rule over and over again, he’s mixing it up a little.
I think they may have something up their sleeve with Marleau, but it’d be a more isolated transaction and won’t involve other big pieces. Something like Detroit-Phoenix with Dastyuk’s contract.
We just don’t know what Patrick Marleau wants to do. He may still think he can play. I hope not.
I’m very interested to know what the Carolina Hurricanes think of Andreas Johnsson and Nazem Kadri.
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No, I have absolutely no idea how many times he’s been suspended. Can you help me?Isolated - Do you have any idea how many times Kadri's been suspended?
Coincidence - LOL wut? I'd like to hear the explanation for this, like every time a Maple Leaf gets suspended, the fact that it's always Kadri is just a coincidence?
They aren’t the same, and they’re really not even similar. He plays on the line and he’s crossed it a few times...but in different places.
Coach Kadri, don’t throw him away.
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LOL really? Well OK then, that certainly goes a long way towards explaining your many posts ITT.
You might want to consider understanding the subject a bit better before the next time you decide to invest a bunch of time ridiculing people for their opinions. ULF_55 made a post only about an hour ago ITT that's a good place to start, do you not ever read what other people are saying?
BTW, still waiting for you explanation about how Kadri's suspension was just "a coincidence".
:facelpalm:LOL really? Well OK then, that certainly goes a long way towards explaining your many posts ITT.
You might want to consider understanding the subject a bit better before the next time you decide to invest a bunch of time ridiculing people for their opinions. ULF_55 made a post only about an hour ago ITT that's a good place to start, do you not ever read what other people are saying?
BTW, still waiting for you explanation about how Kadri's suspension was just "a coincidence".
Sarcasm detector broken, I guess?
Naptime?
Go watch 20 years of Stanley Cup champions and tell me what the one difference is between those teams vs the Leafs.
Every single one of them have ‘loose cannons’ (players who walk the line) and an element of grit that the Leafs don’t have. I’m sorry if you can’t identify that.
If the goal is to win with a different model than anyone else in recent memory.. well, I guess they at least have a plan?
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He's better as a winger - specifically, on Matthews' wing.
Losing Kadri and using Nylander as a winger, not only cripples your team's center depth, but it hurts your winger depth as well.
One move crippling two positions?
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Sarcasm detector broken, I guess?
Naptime?
You can claim it's sarcasm, whatever. It's completely consistent with your posts ITT which dismiss the chances of Kadri being suspended again so you have only yourself to blame.
Still waiting for you explanation about how Kadri's suspension was a coincidence or have you forgotten about this? Would you like me to quote the post again for you?
I think you might be on to something.
If you think Kadri's capable of walking that line, there's not much anyone can do for you.
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You make it sound as though Kadri is the only answer. 1 player? If Dubas has that much stock invested in one player then he's not fit to be a GM.
"Loose cannon" is so much different than "physical presence".
I guess I thought it was reasonable to assume that every hockey fan had heard Kadri’s criminal record recited to them several times? It was headline news, even outside of Toronto. It would be nearly impossible to be unaware and I thought that was obvious... My bad.
I never dismissed his chances of being suspended again. I said I believe it to be incredibly unlikely he gets suspended in the playoffs next year.. I’d bet on that.
Nobody feels this more than Nazem Kadri.
We’re wasting our time at this point. We agree about everything but the solution. Now we can sit back and watch. Whatever team he plays for next year, they’ve got themselves a hell of a player.
Good day, sir!
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I guess I thought it was reasonable to assume that every hockey fan had heard Kadri’s criminal record recited to them several times? It was headline news, even outside of Toronto. It would be nearly impossible to be unaware and I thought that was obvious... My bad.
LOL criminal record, what's with the melodrama?
If you are aware of Kadri's suspension history fine, you couldn't tell that from reading your posts, that's for damn sure.
Oh come on now, you made so many posts ITT I'm sure you can find the time for one more. Please do explain your coincidence comment from earlier, here it is again in case you've forgotten. Answer this question and I promise, I'll be more than happy if you never post here again.
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No, not at all. I used Zach Hyman and surprisingly enough, Trevor Moore. These are two players who lay it on the line and compete.
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That’s good for me. Build around it. Find more players like Hyman and Moore who can compliment the core. Kapanen is useful but I think AJ has to go. Either can go if they can add similar players with more edge.
There is no simple solution to this problem.
The blueline is an entirely different problem and that’s the one spot I think you could give him up to address.
His suspensions don’t factor into my approach at roster building because I don’t identify him as a problem. His behaviour can be, at times, but he makes thousands more good decisions than he does bad ones on the ice. Sample size, as they like to say.
You accuse me of trolling yet I’m not sure you entirely understand what I’m saying. That’s partially my fault because me and that fine gentleman Gary have been back and fourth. That’s my mistake. A lot has been lost on a few of us in here.
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I know this'll be controversial here but I don't think Kadri really looked all that great this season. He looked slower, less physical/engaged and he didn't look very effective offensively. Lot's of poor shot choices, poor utilization of his line mates and looked terrible on the PP. Obviously he stepped up his physical play for the playoffs, but once again he crossed a line and got himself a lengthy suspension. As another poster said, players know which buttons to press with Kadri and he takes the bait every time.
I think it's time to trade Kadri before he regresses more and his value plummets. Would also help with our cap problems.
I think it's time to trade Kadri before he regresses more and his value plummets. Would also help with our cap problems.
I like you, Gary. You’ve got the type of grit I want to see from this team.
As a player he makes dozens of decisions every single shift. Sprinkled through his career are a few bad ones. He hasn’t been a perfect player... but, I don’t see a parallel between incidents. They all look very different.
Too many of them? Yes, I agree. But where do you go from there? You sell him, and take away a key part of your team? Remember, your whole argument is that he’s selfish and he takes himself out of the game, and him out of the game hurts the team... You see this, so the solution is ‘get rid of him’?
He needs to make some adjustments but he can’t change the way he plays.
The coincidence is that he made two bad ones in back to back years at the most inopportune time.
I would bet my left nut he never misses another playoff game to suspension. Babcock and Shanahan will keep him in line if he doesn’t get traded for a defenseman.
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If you don't see a parallel, maybe take another look. He's a hothead and reacts without thinking, that's been a factor in most cases.
It's like you've never read my posts at all - not only have I never called Kadri selfish, I've strongly objected when other people have used that term to describe him. He's a hothead who on a number of occasions has been unable to control his emotions, that's what has hurt the team. He also plays with a passion that I love, I wish we had more players who played with that kind of passion, he's also sacrificed his body for the good of the team on many occasions and thus I think people who call him selfish need to consult a dictionary. Having said all that, while I'd love to believe that he can develop the self-control he needs, at this point, considering his history it's really hard to have that kind of faith in him. It hurts me to say it as I've been one of his biggest fans here and often defended him when most wanted him gone but it's really hard to defend him at this point.
I've also never said "get rid of him", what I've said is that his value has gone down and I'd be much more open to trading him then I have been in the past.
My impression is that we don't really disagree on all that much, however you've put words in my mouth on a number of occasions which is just a waste of everyone's time. I don't agree with you on everything but that's fine, we're all entitled to our opinions. Do try to be a bit more attentive in the future, stop attributing statements to me that I've never made and we'll get along just fine.
It’s not that I wasn’t reading your posts, it’s that you’d quote me on a response to someone else who may have said ‘selfish’ etc and the lines got pretty blurred. Both accused the other of things they didn’t say, and both thought the other had a very different position than they actually do. It’s all good. You’ve made me laugh a few times and I hope I didn’t offend you.
We agree on everything except what to do with him and his value being down across the league. I believe there’s a few GM’s who’d love to be opportunistic and snatch Kadri on sale if they can. Not to say there isn’t ones who’d stay away, but you can’t think there won’t be a market for him.
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He's better as a winger - specifically, on Matthews' wing.
Losing Kadri and using Nylander as a winger, not only cripples your team's center depth, but it hurts your winger depth as well.
One move crippling two positions?
Nope
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You are correct up to 2 very important points;
1. We have a cap problem so every option is on the table
2. This player is not in the line up when it counts. We don’t have him now. Didn’t when we needed him. A warm body like Trevor Moore is an upgrade simply for the fact he plays.
This team would have had a better chance to beat Boston with Matt Martin skating 4 mins vs Kadri’s 0.
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Yep.
He's not a line driver. He doesnt make his teammates better.
His best play as a Leaf has been with Matthews leading his line.
1. Absolutely. But if you trade Kadri, it needs to be for the right reasons. The suspensions aren’t a reason.
2. Yes, Kadri is more valuable on the ice. That’s why it would make absolutely no sense to sell him for pennies on the dollar because you’re mad at him. The suspensions were all uniquely different. I don’t see a player repeating the same thing. I see a player walking a line who fell off a few different times in a few different places.
There is teaching to be done. I’m sure it has, and will be done.
A player makes dozens of decisions every shift. Nazem Kadri has a long history of making far more good decisions than bad ones to positively affect winning for the Toronto Maple Leafs. That’s what I absolutely know to be true.
... that ratio is pretty overwhelming.
