Salary Cap: Nazem “Suspension” Kadri – Cap casualty?

[sparxx87]

Calm thyself. All I'm saying is that let's face it, his trade value has gone down, that's it. A year ago I would have said he's close to untouchable, today not so much. And yes a big part of that is that he got suspended. In the playoffs. Again.



LOL.



The reffing was horrible, no argument there. It's also no excuse for being the only player who couldn't keep it together. Let's be honest, if you were told the game got out of hand and one player lost their cool and got suspended, guess who it was everyone's first guess would be Kadri.

Discipline is a big part of what it takes to win and that part of Kadri's game is severely lacking. Severely!

Laugh. It happens. If it hasn’t to you, you probably play a lot like the Leafs in the playoffs.


The bolded is the problem. Not only everyone’s first guess, everyone’s ONLY guess! You just acknowledged NOBODY else even plays on the edge to have a chance... That’s a very serious problem.


Find it a coincidence Boston and St Louis are there now? That the Sharks hang around? What about Washington last year? Do you remember the grit on those great Hawks teams? Remember how LA dominated?

There’s one critical element to winning in the playoffs and the Leafs are sorely lacking.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I suppose, first, you look the whole body of work. Because a player like Barkov was on a team that didn't make the playoffs, wouldn't find him less valuable especially in the upcoming off season. He might make the playoffs the following and if I had the chance I'd want him on my team. Back to Kadri, because he got suspended the last two years doesn't mean he will get suspended again. I am not against trading him he we can make our team better, but I feel the same way with all of our players.

Agree, look at the whole body of work.

Barkov - I wouldn't hold the fact that the team sucked against any player.

It's hard to imagine Kadri getting suspended AGAIN in the playoffs but on the other hand, it was hard to imagine that he'd do it this year yet he did. When it happens two years in a row ... the guy's got issues and him getting suspended is a very real risk. And while I guess it's more likely he doesn't get suspended again in the playoffs, I can't be too confident in that either.

Anyhow, it's like you said, I'm not against trading anyone, even Marner if it makes sense for the team. And I find it bizarre that some people are acting as if the suspensions have had no impact on Kadri's trade value, of course they have. There could be offers that I would have said no to a year ago that I would accept today, no question about it. The guy's been my favourite player for many years and nothing would make me happier then to see him win the cup in Toronto but I have to put my emotions aside and put the team first.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Laugh. It happens. If it hasn’t to you, you probably play a lot like the Leafs in the playoffs.

The bolded is the problem. Not only everyone’s first guess, everyone’s ONLY guess! You just acknowledged NOBODY else even plays on the edge to have a chance... That’s a very serious problem.

Find it a coincidence Boston and St Louis are there now? That the Sharks hang around? What about Washington last year? Do you remember the grit on those great Hawks teams? Remember how LA dominated?

There’s one critical element to winning in the playoffs and the Leafs are sorely lacking.

Playing on the edge is one thing, going over that edge and falling off the cliff is another. You don't seem to be able to tell the difference between these things and that's your problem in a nutshell.

LOL at thinking crosschecking people in the face is a normal part of the game. I don't remember Gilmour ever doing that, perhaps you don't like him either.

 

[sparxx87]

You have to laugh at all the masochistic people who post on HF.

How do you explain a fanbase who goes to bat for Kadri so often and all he does is let them down. Some people just crave abuse I guess.

For me, the masochists are the ones crying?

Market notorious for being tough to play in yet you want to drive a player out of town who actually wants to win? One of the few good ones?

Hmmmm.

 

[sparxx87]

Playing on the edge is one thing, going over that edge and falling off the cliff is another. You don't seem to be able to tell the difference between these things and that's your problem in a nutshell.

LOL at thinking crosschecking people in the face is a normal part of the game. I don't remember Gilmour ever doing that, perhaps you don't like him either.

You don’t understand what a fine line it is.

What does Gilmour have to do with this? Remember his nickname?

...and regardless, that’s an example you’re giving as an observer from your couch when I’d laid out a real life scenario. Not that there’s anything wrong if you haven’t... but have you ever actually played hockey?

 

[Budsfan]

Who here has played real hockey and hasn’t cross checked someone in the face?

I have but not on purpose and I never used a stick as a weapon and who here hasn't dropped his stick and gloves and duked it out with another player, I know I have and won some and lost some.
My first fight was taking a guy into the boards with too much enthusiasm and he took exception to it but what I came away from that fight was, I hit him in the head and thought I had broken my hand, sitting in the box, I got some ice and iced my hand down.
That is what hockey players do to settle a score.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You don’t understand what a fine line it is.

What does Gilmour have to do with this? Remember his nickname?

...and regardless, that’s an example you’re giving as an observer from your couch when I’d laid out a real life scenario. Not that there’s anything wrong if you haven’t... but have you ever actually played hockey?

You seem to think crosschecking is a normal part of the game that everyone does, sorry but that's just complete BS. What is this real life scenario, do you even know what you're talking about any more?

Not that it's any of your business but yes I played hockey for a number of years and no I never crosschecked an opponent in the face.

 

[sparxx87]

I have but not on purpose and I never used a stick as a weapon and who here hasn't dropped his stick and gloves and duked it out with another player, I know I have and won some and lost some.
My first fight was taking a guy into the boards with too much enthusiasm and he took exception to it but what I came away from that fight was, I hit him in the head and thought I had broken my hand, sitting in the box, I got some ice and iced my hand down.
That is what hockey players do to settle a score.

That’s my point. 95% of the time you aren’t trying to do that.

Were you trying to be too enthusiastic in driving your man into the boards?



It’s easy to sit on the couch and judge the replays.

 

[ToneDog]

You don’t understand what a fine line it is.

What does Gilmour have to do with this? Remember his nickname?

...and regardless, that’s an example you’re giving as an observer from your couch when I’d laid out a real life scenario. Not that there’s anything wrong if you haven’t... but have you ever actually played hockey?

You must be young. Gary Nylund was a high draft pick and if he turned into the player we thought we drafted he would be the type of dman this team could use now

 

[Gary Nylund]

You must be young. Gary Nylund was a high draft pick and if he turned into the player we thought we drafted he would be the type of dman this team could use now

 

[sparxx87]

You must be young. Gary Nylund was a high draft pick and if he turned into the player we thought we drafted he would be the type of dman this team could use now

If it’s the same one I’m talking to, he failed because he was wayyy too soft.


Gary thinks crosschecks aren’t part of the game despite Connor Carrick getting to the NHL with it as his only identifiable skill. Silly Gary.

 

[Budsfan]

That’s my point. 95% of the time you aren’t trying to do that.

Were you trying to be too enthusiastic in driving your man into the boards?



It’s easy to sit on the couch and judge the replays.

The problem is Kadri never drops his stick and gloves to settle a score and he would not have been suspended if he had.
Blaming the refereeing for letting a game get out of hand is ridiculous, especially when it involves the same player over and over.
Kadri is just a loose cannon and he gets suspended because he uses his stick with intent to injure.
When I took the guy into the boards it was a body check and the referee didn't call it a penalty because it was a clean hit and the other player just didn't like it and so the fight began.
Trade Kadri to another team and they can deal with the problem, Kadri is unable to control his emotions and uses his stick as a weapon.

 

[Gary Nylund]

If it’s the same one I’m talking to, he failed because he was wayyy too soft.

Gary thinks crosschecks aren’t part of the game despite Connor Carrick getting to the NHL with it as his only identifiable skill. Silly Gary.

LMAO. I'm not sure I've ever seen a post here that was more wrong. And considering the existence of interactif/tws, that's saying a mouthful.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The problem is Kadri never drops his stick and gloves to settle a score and he would not have been suspended if he had.
Blaming the refereeing for letting a game get out of hand is ridiculous, especially when it involves the same player over and over.
Kadri is just a loose cannon and he gets suspended because he uses his stick with intent to injure.
When I took the guy into the boards it was a body check and the referee didn't call it a penalty because it was a clean hit and the other player just didn't like it and so the fight began.
Trade Kadri to another team and they can deal with the problem, Kadri is unable to control his emotions and uses his stick as a weapon.

It's 100% a non-excuse. It's unfortunate for sure and if they do their job properly, maybe Kadri doesn't get suspended but maybe he does, who knows. Thing is though that no matter what the refs did or didn't do, no one else got suspended, just Kadri.

I've stuck up for the guy for years but it's getting harder and harder to do. Drop the gloves FFS and go smack the guy. Take an instigator penalty if you have to, the entire city would be cheering him on. But the guys just gets suspended again and again and again and never seems to learn.

 

[sparxx87]

The problem is Kadri never drops his stick and gloves to settle a score and he would not have been suspended if he had.
Blaming the refereeing for letting a game get out of hand is ridiculous, especially when it involves the same player over and over.
Kadri is just a loose cannon and he gets suspended because he uses his stick with intent to injure.
When I took the guy into the boards it was a body check and the referee didn't call it a penalty because it was a clean hit and the other player didn't like it and so the fight began.
Trade Kadri to another team and they can deal with the problem, Kadri is unable to control his emotions and uses his stick as a weapon.

Look through past champions. Who didn’t have an effective loose cannon?

 

[BrannigansLaw]

As dumb as he is in the playoffs, his contract is still far too valuable IMO to trade.

 

[sparxx87]

LMAO. I'm not sure I've ever seen a post here that was more wrong. And considering the existence of interactif/tws, that's saying a mouthful.

Existence of what?

 

[sparxx87]

It's 100% a non-excuse. It's unfortunate for sure and if they do their job properly, maybe Kadri doesn't get suspended but maybe he does, who knows. Thing is though that no matter what the refs did or didn't do, no one else got suspended, just Kadri.

I've stuck up for the guy for years but it's getting harder and harder to do. Drop the gloves FFS and ho smack the guy. Take an instigator penalty if you have to, the entire city would be cheering him on. But the guys just gets suspended again and again and again and never seems to learn.

I agree 100% with this.

Should have fought. Don’t do that again.

 

[ottomaddox]

For me, the masochists are the ones crying?

Market notorious for being tough to play in yet you want to drive a player out of town who actually wants to win? One of the few good ones?

Hmmmm.

Do a little further research on masochism. You might be surprised. Hahaha!

No one has been tough on Kadri. So many fans love him. They buy his jersey and defend him on hockey forums without tiring.

The fans don't decide who stays or goes. That's up to management. Unfortunately for Kadri Shanahan is part of the management team. He's the same guy who suspended Kadri.

Despite the public outcry, I don't like Kadri's chances. If you wanted to in thave successhe playoffs would you allow Kadri to return only to get suspended again? At some point there has to be a limit to loving his 4.5 million dollar contract.

 

[sparxx87]

Do a little further research on masochism. You might be surprised. Hahaha!

No one has been tough on Kadri. So many fans love him. They buy his jersey and defend him on hockey forums without tiring.

The fans don't decide who stays or goes. That's up to management. Unfortunately for Kadri Shanahan is part of the management team. He's the same guy who suspended Kadri.

Despite the public outcry, I don't like Kadri's chances. If you wanted to in thave successhe playoffs would you allow Kadri to return only to get suspended again? At some point there has to be a limit to loving his 4.5 million dollar contract.

Your girl taught me all about it?

I think Shanahan really likes Kadri. Suspension and all.

His chances of getting suspended in the playoffs again are next to none. A chance? Sure. Probable? Not even close.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Your girl taught me all about it?

I think Shanahan really likes Kadri. Suspension and all.

His chances of getting suspended in the playoffs again are next to none. A chance? Sure. Probable? Not even close.

Next to none is overstating it by a good margin and I'm quite sure you would have said the same thing before the playoffs this season yet he did it again, didn't he. The odds of him getting suspended in the playoffs fall short of "probable" IMO but they're definitely non-negligible and certainly much, much higher than they are for anyone else on our team.

Two years in a row we've lost a PO round that was so close that Kadri not getting suspended could have been the difference. This year especially, had he controlled his emotions we might be playing in the finals right now.

If he does get suspended again next season will you again be saying that it probably won't happen again? How many years in a row would this have to happen before you'd admit that there's a very real risk involved here and maybe this indeed has an impact on his value?

And BTW I like Kadri too but I can't let that get in the way of doing what's best for the team

 

[sparxx87]

Next to none is overstating it by a good margin and I'm quite sure you would have said the same thing before the playoffs this season yet he did it again, didn't he. The odds of him getting suspended in the playoffs fall short of "probable" IMO but they're definitely non-negligible and certainly much, much higher than they are for anyone else on our team.

Two years in a row we've lost a PO round that was so close that Kadri not getting suspended could have been the difference. This year especially, had he controlled his emotions we might be playing in the finals right now.

If he does get suspended again next season will you again be saying that it probably won't happen again? How many years in a row would this have to happen before you'd admit that there's a very real risk involved here and maybe this indeed has an impact on his value?

And BTW I like Kadri too but I can't let that get in the way of doing what's best for the team

I went back and read our entire exchange. Although it was colourful and details vary, we basically agree on everything but the solution. I wouldn’t give up on Kadri, and especially considering the lack of anything else like that on the team.

If I can move Kadri for a d man to make their team better? Sure... but the suspensions have zero to do with my decision making this offseason. Goal is to get better on defense and harder to play against across the board.

 

[sparxx87]

Re; suspensions - last year was an isolated incident. This year was a coincidence.

If it happened again, it’s a pattern and I might be right there with you. I just think the chances of it happening again are next to zero.

Nobody has spent more time reflecting on this than Nazem Kadri. Remember that.

 

[ULF_55]

As dumb as he is in the playoffs, his contract is still far too valuable IMO to trade.

Really depends on the return.

Overall, it doesn't matter what his Cap hit is, what matters is the Leafs ice the best team that fits under the Cap.

Kadri-Nylander looked pretty good and then he goes hot-head again. Kadri has a history, and unfortunately it continues to be a history he refuses to depart from.

As has been said, you can trade Kadri as a 2nd. line center, something he won't get the chance to be again on the Leafs, barring injury, and we're right back at it as his history continues to bleed over into the future and the Leafs just can't trust him.

 

[ULF_55]

Re; suspensions - last year was an isolated incident. This year was a coincidence.

If it happened again, it’s a pattern and I might be right there with you. I just think the chances of it happening again are next to zero.

Nobody has spent more time reflecting on this than Nazem Kadri. Remember that.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/br...-history-wont-help-him-bruins-vs-leafs-series

November 2013 - 3 games hit to head
March 2015 - 4 games hit to head
April 2016 - 4 games cross checking
April 2018 - 3 games boarding
April 2019 - series cross checking

It isn't an isolated incident and coincident, it is who he is.