Salary Cap: Nazem “Suspension” Kadri – Cap casualty?

[ULF_55]

Also regarding Nylander's shot. He needs to get back moreso how he was shooting in his first year especially. He has a good shot, and he definitely can hit the net with good accuracy, but it's been kinda dormant. Not sure why tbh.

He got used to passing to Matthews, who is a shooter, and a lot of it is confidence.

 

[diceman934]

As for Kadri. I say keep him he has proven that he can change as he had done so as a Leaf since his draft year.

His coach also needs to be on top of it long before the playoffs with reminders etc. This along with Dubas getting others who will push back will help Kadri not being the only push back player on the team.

If we get a great offer for him in a trade you move him but shopping him around the league right now would be silly.

 

[MyBudJT]

Also regarding Nylander's shot. He needs to get back moreso how he was shooting in his first year especially. He has a good shot, and he definitely can hit the net with good accuracy, but it's been kinda dormant. Not sure why tbh.

I think once people see someone snipe one or two goals (especially if it goes bar down), they automatically think that they have a good shot, and it sticks into their head. Nikita Soshnikov is another example of this.

Just because you have a heavy shot doesn't mean you have a good shot.

 

[Sypher04]

I think once people see someone snipe one or two goals (especially if it goes bar down), they automatically think that they have a good shot, and it sticks into their head. Nikita Soshnikov is another example of this.

Just because you have a heavy shot doesn't mean you have a good shot.

Well, I don't know if this was the intention, but this post feels rather condescending.
Also, Nylander has sniped well more more than a couple goals over his 3 year career.

Looking at his early success, Nylander's shot was more accurate than heavy tbh.

 

[Tak7]

You seriously will argue Kadri makes his linemates better?

Yes.

 

[Pookie]

Yes.

Well IT is legal now so I guess I understand where this feeling may come from.

 

[ottomaddox]

His best seasons were point totals of 61,55, and 51.

His playoff career PPG is 0.53 (very misleading - hefty suspensions).

You can safely say that his career was above average / very good (I am not going to say "almost elite".

Does Dubas hang on to him at all costs knowing that he is starting to decline?

He is good, but is he untouchable good? Wouldn't you say he's a tad bit overrated? He doesn't kill penalties, he doesn't really have a very big role on the PP1. He does play on an edge, but that line has been crossed all too often (repeat offender and one of the worst in the league).

Is this a good time to move on from him? Don't you think he's overrated a bit?

 

[Mess]

Too many Kadri threads .. Hold on tight as I merge ..

 

[Zybalto]

Kadri had his struggles in his new role but let's not make too harsh a judgement when hes out there with Brown and Marleau a ton of time.

 

[Legion34]

Do we know about his list?

 

[Pookie]

Do we know about his list?

10 teams

 

[Pookie]

His best seasons were point totals of 61,55, and 51.

His playoff career PPG is 0.53 (very misleading - hefty suspensions).

You can safely say that his career was above average / very good (I am not going to say "almost elite".

Does Dubas hang on to him at all costs knowing that he is starting to decline?

He is good, but is he untouchable good? Wouldn't you say he's a tad bit overrated? He doesn't kill penalties, he doesn't really have a very big role on the PP1. He does play on an edge, but that line has been crossed all too often (repeat offender and one of the worst in the league).

Is this a good time to move on from him? Don't you think he's overrated a bit?

Depending on the net savings with Marleau , they are in a position where they don’t have to trade him.

However, moving Marleau, Zaitsev and Kadri frees up over 15M in savings which gives ample opportunity for Dubas to remake the D in accordance with his plans.

It’s less likely Kadri is gone now that Marleau and Zaitsev have asked for trades. But for the right deal... they would be foolish not to trade him.

He’s just not a reliable player when it matters.

 

[Leafidelity]

I think once people see someone snipe one or two goals (especially if it goes bar down), they automatically think that they have a good shot, and it sticks into their head. Nikita Soshnikov is another example of this.

Just because you have a heavy shot doesn't mean you have a good shot.

42 goals in his first two full seasons and this guy is comparing him to Soshnikov of 13 career goals

At least try to hide the troll bait a little better

 

[Daisy Jane]

trade him.
end of story

 

[HolyCrap]

trade him.
end of story

Completely agree. He’s worth some good assets. Time to move on from the selfish players.

 

[MyBudJT]

42 goals in his first two full seasons and this guy is comparing him to Soshnikov of 13 career goals

At least try to hide the troll bait a little better

The only one trolling right now is you.

I didn't compare Nylander to Soshnikov. I was talking about people's perception of a "good shoot", and was using Soshnikov as an example.

Nylander's shot is good, its not elite or anything. He misses the net way to much for it to be considered anywhere near elite.

 

[Leafidelity]

The only one trolling right now is you.

I didn't compare Nylander to Soshnikov. I was talking about people's perception of a "good shoot", and was using Soshnikov as an example.

Nylander's shot is good, its not elite or anything. He misses the net way to much for it to be considered anywhere near elite.

People say Nylander has a good shot because he has a good shot. There are literally videos showing every goal he's ever scored. There are videos of him practicing his good shot in the off season. Its quite obvious to anyone not pushing an agenda that he has a good shot. You knew exactly what you were doing using Soshnikov as an example.

Nylander shot 5.4% last season, approximately half of what he shot in his rookie and sophomore seasons. He's likely to improve in that regard.

 

[MyBudJT]

People say Nylander has a good shot because he has a good shot. There are literally videos showing every goal he's ever scored. There are videos of him practicing his good shot in the off season. Its quite obvious to anyone not pushing an agenda that he has a good shot. You knew exactly what you were doing using Soshnikov as an example.

Yes, I DO know exactly what I was doing using Soshnikov as an example. I was pointing out that Soshnikov's shot is overrated because he has scored a couple of nice goals. Similarily, I think Nylander's shot is overrated for similar reasons.

IN NO WAY AM I COMPARING SOSHNIKOV TO NYLANDER AS PLAYERS.

 

[Duke Silver]

Yes, I DO know exactly what I was doing using Soshnikov as an example. I was pointing out that Soshnikov's shot is overrated because he has scored a couple of nice goals. Similarily, I think Nylander's shot is overrated for similar reasons.

IN NO WAY AM I COMPARING SOSHNIKOV TO NYLANDER AS PLAYERS.

Good god, Nylander probably has one of the top 3 shots on our team.

He'd easily put up 25-30 goals a year if he moved away from his pass-first mentality. Although why would you with Matthews on your line.

Of all 98 forwards to put up more than 2.4 shots per game last year (min. 50 GP), Nylander's shooting % was 98th. It was basically half his career average before this season. He will absolutely bounce back.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Nylander has been a LW/C his whole life until he met Babcock. He still has the shot selection of an LW when he plays RW, most of the good ones come off cuts to the middle of the ice. He really doesn't get much from the right circle.

 

[MyBudJT]

Good god, Nylander probably has one of the top 3 shots on our team.

He'd easily put up 25-30 goals a year if he moved away from his pass-first mentality. Although why would you with Matthews on your line.

Of all 98 forwards to put up more than 2.4 shots per game last year (min. 50 GP), Nylander's shooting % was 98th. It was basically half his career average before this season. He will absolutely bounce back.

And I am suggesting his shot is overrated. That’s all. It’s okay to have a differing opinion. Carry on now.

 

[Gary Nylund]

And I am suggesting his shot is overrated. That’s all. It’s okay to have a differing opinion. Carry on now.

I agree. Watching Nylander fire it wide and the puck bouncing off the boards and back to our end time after time is incredibly frustrating. I think it's fixable and has the potential to be elite, he just has to stop trying to make the perfect shot but until he does fix it, it's ... frustrating.

 

[Bluelines]

No way Kadri is traded
0.1% chance
Only sandpepper on the team
Mister Marleaux will be gone before it comes to that
And that is the way it's gonna be

It comes down to who is more important on the team and what pieces you can move to accomplish what you want to accomplish.

If you say I have to move Kadri to keep AJ and Kapi, do you do it?

If you have to move Kadri to improve your defence, do you do it?

When you look at it from the perspective , what does Kadri do that is special, playing with an edge is one thing that comes to mind but Marchment on the farm plays that game and at cheaper price tag and so does another thousand forwards that are trying to make the NHL. Then you ask what happens to those 20ish goals that Kadri scores every year? Could a healthy Matthews, Kapi, AJ and Bracco make up that difference? Possibly.

To suggest that Kadri is unique and has an element that we could not easily replace, is not accurate. He plays exclusively 5 on 5 and PP, a skill other players at a cheaper price tag can do. Kadri at 4.5 mil on the 3rd line is expendable. Kadri as a 2nd line player at 4.5 mil is more enticing to keep. I've been suggesting for a while now that Kadri as a 2nd line winger with Matthews is an interesting experiment.

I don't think its a surprise that Kadri name is out there, @Pookie was a head of the curve when he suggested Kadri is a diminishing asset and it would be smart to trade him before he loses all value, see Bautista, Donaldson, and Encarnacion for prime examples of how fast skilled highly valued assets can turn into negative value expensive liabilities.

 

[Pookie]

As for Kadri. I say keep him he has proven that he can change as he had done so as a Leaf since his draft year.

His coach also needs to be on top of it long before the playoffs with reminders etc. This along with Dubas getting others who will push back will help Kadri not being the only push back player on the team.

If we get a great offer for him in a trade you move him but shopping him around the league right now would be silly.

I guess Dubas is silly

Report: Leafs' Kapanen, Kadri, Brown drawing most interest in trade talks

 

[Bluelines]

The second you trade away Nazem Kadri, you desperately start looking for a solid two-way third line center making good money for the next 3 years who produces, plays with jam, and can be your shutdown center.

In short - NO, unless the Leafs are getting a legit top pairing back in return for Kadri for similar dollar, you aren't moving Kadri.

Why do you have to find those qualities?

Maybe you look for a 3rd line center who is a PK specialist, good face off guy, shows leadership, has high compete level but is not necessarily a offensive threat.

What GM trades a legit top pairing dman for a 3rd line center? C'mon now.

The way this team is built upfront, it feels to me there are a lot of players who are very similar in what they do for this team. If "Jam" is the reason why we are suggesting Kadri stays, $4.5 million is a lot to play for "Jam".