OT: Nats, Wiz, O's, Ravens, Terps, Navy, Gtown, Mystics, Golf, Summer 2024 (Paris Olympics 2024 as well)

[CapitalsCupReality]

Rui, Deni, Kispert… you can’t be serious using them as examples? Rotational players, at best. Only one of them is starting and that’s only because his defense is less bad than the other guys you listed. Rui won’t even be on the team next year. Cam Reddish and Tyler Hero went a few picks after Rui. Johnny Davis is a top ten pick and is about to get assigned to the G-League after going 2-21 in the preseason and not logging a single minute in four games so far.

And you made my point about settling for mediocrity. If you know Beal ain’t it why are you paying him like he is? They could have got a king’s ransom for him. Again, they also signed Paul Pierce who chose to come to DC. Know why he chose to come to DC? Because they had really good young players.

I will give Tommy credit, getting actual assets out of the Wall contract was a masterclass. And it looks like getting Will Barton and Monte Morris for Ish Smith and KCP seems like a stroke of genius too. But still, 9th or 10th is their ceiling and that’s not because the NBA is colliding against them.

RIGHT?!?!?!?

 

[Marshall]

Should I bother watching a Bullets game? They still completely...bleh?

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Should I bother watching a Bullets game? They still completely...bleh?

On a slow night sure….check ‘em out.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Should I bother watching a Bullets game? They still completely...bleh?

They missed three free throws the other night in OT with a chance to go up 5 or 6 and that’s the difference between 3-1 and 4-0. I think as long as they’re healthy they’ll be watchable. They have really good depth but they have a slim margin for error because their offense is done by committee (which can be a positive too) and they don’t play much defense so they’re going to blow games they shouldn’t. They’re a fun enough team to watch.

 

[Marshall]

They missed three free throws the other night in OT with a chance to go up 5 or 6 and that’s the difference between 3-1 and 4-0. I think as long as they’re healthy they’ll be watchable. They have really good depth but they have a slim margin for error because their offense is done by committee (which can be a positive too) and they don’t play much defense so they’re going to blow games they shouldn’t. They’re a fun enough team to watch.

Well...okay. I apologize in advance, however, as the game I decide to watch they'll be down by 19 at the start of the 2nd.

 

[John Price]

But still, 9th or 10th is their ceiling and that’s not because the NBA is colliding against them.

they're just like minnesota, charlotte etc and it's again because the NBA makes it unfair to compete in a small market. Do you think it is a coincidence that Sacramento, Orlando, Charlotte et al haven't made the playoffs in years, and that it finally took last year for Charlotte (lucked into Lamelo Ball, still very low ceiling) and Minnesota to end their decades long playoff drought?

Even look at the Spurs. The Spurs had to go "Moneyball" and find talent outside the States to succeed, else they'd be middling. They scouted Tim Duncan, Ginoboli and Parker. Now that all retired the Spurs have badly struggled since. They're basically tanking for that French kid

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Well...okay. I apologize in advance, however, as the game I decide to watch they'll be down by 19 at the start of the 2nd.

No lead matters in the NBA until the 4th.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

they're just like minnesota, charlotte etc and it's again because the NBA makes it unfair to compete in a small market. Do you think it is a coincidence that Sacramento, Orlando, Charlotte et al haven't made the playoffs in years, and that it finally took last year for Charlotte (lucked into Lamelo Ball, still very low ceiling) and Minnesota to end their decades long playoff drought?

Even look at the Spurs. The Spurs had to go "Moneyball" and find talent outside the States to succeed, else they'd be middling. They scouted Tim Duncan, Ginoboli and Parker. Now that all retired the Spurs have badly struggled since. They're basically tanking for that French kid

Top ten market sizes, in order: NYC, LA, Chicago, Philly, Dallas-Ft Forth, SF Bay Area, Atlanta, Houston, DC, Boston. DC is the 9th largest sports market in the country and the 7th largest with all four major sports. DC is ahead of places like Boston, Phoenix, Detroit, Denver, Miami-Ft Lauderdale, etc. This is not Oklahoma City or New Orleans. Enough with crying poor mouth.

I can’t believe your argument for settling for mediocrity is, “well they can’t buy every player so how do you expect them to compete??” I dunno, maybe draft better? Make trades? Sell when it’s clear you’re not good enough and use those assets to try and get better?

And Keumper came here because they’re a good team. And the Caps are a good team because…? I bet you can figure it out, and it’s not because they can outbid all other franchises for free agents.

 

[kicksavedave]

"Draft better"

drafted Rui, Deni, Kispert and Beal and John Wall

Drafting isn't the problem, it's just that you need a generational superstar to win like Giannis and Beal can't be that

Giannis was the 15th overall pick in his draft. Steph Curry was the 7th overall pick in his draft, Kawhi Leonard was 15th overall. Dirk was 9th overall. I think you're right that you need a superstar to win championships, but drafting 1 overall isn't the only way to get a superstar. Drafting better overall is important and for a decade they had Ernie drafting mostly garbage and hitting on just Beal at 3OA. Wall was essentially a bust in DC even though he had a few good years, we was nowhere near the impact of other 1OA picks.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Giannis was the 15th overall pick in his draft. Steph Curry was the 7th overall pick in his draft, Kawhi Leonard was 15th overall. Dirk was 9th overall. I think you're right that you need a superstar to win championships, but drafting 1 overall isn't the only way to get a superstar. Drafting better overall is important and for a decade they had Ernie drafting mostly garbage and hitting on just Beal at 3OA. Wall was essentially a bust in DC even though he had a few good years, we was nowhere near the impact of other 1OA picks.

And who did we pick instead in those drafts? I’d wager we were before most of them.

Meh to the Wizards drafting (and that’s being kind). None of the players they are getting are going to be difference makers. Which would be fine if they were drafting in the 20’s every year.(like the Caps). But they aren’t.

Mediocrity sucks. Wizards are my least favorite big 4 pro sports team. I like Maryland hoops better. And New Hampshire hockey. So they are 6th in my fandom. So I’d be absolutely fine w a tank job.

But they won’t.

 

[kicksavedave]

And who did we pick instead in those drafts? I’d wager we were before most of them.

Meh to the Wizards drafting (and that’s being kind). None of the players they are getting are going to be difference makers. Which would be fine if they were drafting in the 20’s every year.(like the Caps). But they aren’t.

Mediocrity sucks. Wizards are my least favorite big 4 pro sports team. I like Maryland hoops better. And New Hampshire hockey. So they are 6th in my fandom. So I’d be absolutely fine w a tank job.

But they won’t.

I didn't look up all our picks but I believe when Kawhi was drafted 15, we drafted Jan Vesley at 6. I believe he left the NBA with a 31% FT %.

 

[John Price]

Looks like Davis is going to get more playing time.

 

[usiel]

Looks like Davis is going to get more playing time.

Ugh that sucks like what I saw from him.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Ugh that sucks like what I saw from him.

And so it begins. The Wizards inevitable yearly crawl towards irrelevance.

 

[John Price]

Wizards are really bad without delon Wright.

 

[John Price]

Technically counts as this thread but XFL is going to return to DC. The name was announced today as DC Defenders.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Wizards are really bad without delon Wright.

Beal scored 12 points last night in 37 minutes. At one point he was 0-10. He’s shooting 25% from beyond the arc. The reasons they lost start and end with their supermax player, not a backup guard.

 

[John Price]

Beal scored 12 points last night in 37 minutes. At one point he was 0-10. He’s shooting 25% from beyond the arc. The reasons they lost start and end with their supermax player, not a backup guard.

AGain the impact Wright had was huge

Wizards lost yet again last night.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

AGain the impact Wright had was huge

Wizards lost yet again last night.

Again, if losing the backup guard — who has played three games in DC and was acquired for the rich, rich price of KCP and 13-team Ish Smith — has such a huge effect on the team then the core issues lie elsewhere.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

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Again, if losing the backup guard — who has played three games in DC and was acquired for the rich, rich price of KCP and 13-team Ish Smith — has such a huge effect on the team then the core issues lie elsewhere.

Yeah I don’t see any reason for Beal to shit it up either…..he can’t shoot at the PG position?

you pay Supermax deals to guys who put up consistent numbers regardless of roster events.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Yeah I don’t see any reason for Beal to shit it up either…..he can’t shoot at the PG position?

you pay Supermax deals to guys who put up consistent numbers regardless of roster events.

Beal’s three point shooting percentage has decreased every year from 2016-17. He shot over 40% from three that year and he’s shooting a hair over 30% now. Just a massive regression for any player but especially for a player of his caliber. His first five seasons he shot over 40% three years and over 38% the other two years. The disappearance of his ability to shoot from three is pretty strange to be honest.

 

[kicksavedave]

Beal’s three point shooting percentage has decreased every year from 2016-17. He shot over 40% from three that year and he’s shooting a hair over 30% now. Just a massive regression for any player but especially for a player of his caliber. His first five seasons he shot over 40% three years and over 38% the other two years. The disappearance of his ability to shoot from three is pretty strange to be honest.

Probably just not practicing like he should be. It ain't like riding a bike.

 

[usiel]

Beal’s three point shooting percentage has decreased every year from 2016-17. He shot over 40% from three that year and he’s shooting a hair over 30% now. Just a massive regression for any player but especially for a player of his caliber. His first five seasons he shot over 40% three years and over 38% the other two years. The disappearance of his ability to shoot from three is pretty strange to be honest.

Yeah his crappy three shooting has always driven me crazy over the years. At least in the early games he looked to get back into driving to the basket like the season before last. One of the reasons I was good with the Bullets maybe not resigning him was that three ball bricking.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Probably just not practicing like he should be. It ain't like riding a bike.

There may be something to that, though I think there’s been a fundamental shift in his game as well as his FG percentage has improved over the same time period. I think he’s transitioned a bit from being a catch and shoot guy to playing more iso and driving to the basket. The change seems to coincide with Wall’s injuries.

 

[John Price]