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Some good points here. Very much so.
Welp, these are also some good points. Very much so as well. Hmmmm.
Though the San Antonio example seems prevalent. Heck, the Warriors were def NOT large market, but they had deep pockets. Much more so now that they moved to SF from Oakland.
But when they started their run, they weren’t large market. They just weren’t. Years of bad players and drafts. Akin to the Gizzards.
Uh, the teams I mentioned were perennial contenders year after year in recent years. Phoenix had the best record in the NBA. Memphis is a favorite this year. They also happened to be really good during years when there were super teams. Do you think Golden State is dominant because they’re large market or because they drafted a few first ballot HOFers and had the right coach? Which free agents were lining up to sign with them before Curry, Klay, and Draymond?
Those teams you mentioned are not bad because they’re small market — they’re bad because they have shitty ownership and management, and in some cases bad luck. And yes, it’s a bit harder for small market teams but it’s like that in every sport.
Blowing it up is not a guarantee for success. You have to suck more than the other teams trying to suck, you have to hope you get a Kevin Durant and not a Greg Oden, you have to hope that the ping pong balls bounce your way, and it has to happen that way for a few years.
How many times have the Caps been to the third round in the last 20 years? Once. Is that because Ted can’t attract players to DC or is it because winning is hard?
San Antonio is a small market and when they had the right superstar to build around and a great coach they won a bunch of titles. Market size is not a pre determined outcome. Its front office talent, including finding the right coach.
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Wizards are not a small market team, but they will be a middling one until they draft a real Superstar to attract others.
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Selected quotes:
* A group led by Washington Wizards, Capitals and Mystics owner Ted Leonsis is emerging as the clear front-runner
* Multiple sources, though, said a sale is not imminent.
* One key holdup in the discussions may be the uncertain status of the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network (MASN), the Orioles and Nationals’ shared regional sports network.
* An arbitration panel ruled in 2019 that the Nationals were owed $105 million by the Orioles, who appealed the ruling in New York appellate courts. The matter is currently before the New York State Court of Appeals.
* Leonsis’ group is being co-piloted by Carlisle Group co-founder and billionaire David Rubenstein. According to Forbes Magazine’s 2022 rankings, Rubenstein, 73, has a net worth of $3.1 billion. Forbes listed Leonsis’ net worth in 2022 at $1.6 billion.
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* A group led by Washington Wizards, Capitals and Mystics owner Ted Leonsis is emerging as the clear front-runner
* Multiple sources, though, said a sale is not imminent.
* One key holdup in the discussions may be the uncertain status of the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network (MASN), the Orioles and Nationals’ shared regional sports network.
* An arbitration panel ruled in 2019 that the Nationals were owed $105 million by the Orioles, who appealed the ruling in New York appellate courts. The matter is currently before the New York State Court of Appeals.
* Leonsis’ group is being co-piloted by Carlisle Group co-founder and billionaire David Rubenstein. According to Forbes Magazine’s 2022 rankings, Rubenstein, 73, has a net worth of $3.1 billion. Forbes listed Leonsis’ net worth in 2022 at $1.6 billion.
Ted Leonsis group is front-runner to buy Nationals, sources say
A group led by Wizards, Capitals and Mystics owner Ted Leonsis is emerging as the front-runner to buy the Nationals, according to sources.
theathletic.com
Once word got out that Leonsis bought the CSN regional network I figured Leonsis was likely the front runner.Selected quotes:
* A group led by Washington Wizards, Capitals and Mystics owner Ted Leonsis is emerging as the clear front-runner
* Multiple sources, though, said a sale is not imminent.
* One key holdup in the discussions may be the uncertain status of the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network (MASN), the Orioles and Nationals’ shared regional sports network.
* An arbitration panel ruled in 2019 that the Nationals were owed $105 million by the Orioles, who appealed the ruling in New York appellate courts. The matter is currently before the New York State Court of Appeals.
* Leonsis’ group is being co-piloted by Carlisle Group co-founder and billionaire David Rubenstein. According to Forbes Magazine’s 2022 rankings, Rubenstein, 73, has a net worth of $3.1 billion. Forbes listed Leonsis’ net worth in 2022 at $1.6 billion.
Ted Leonsis group is front-runner to buy Nationals, sources say
A group led by Wizards, Capitals and Mystics owner Ted Leonsis is emerging as the front-runner to buy the Nationals, according to sources.
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They won on a shot with 7 seconds left. Derozan shot rimmed out.
Would be nice to hold leads instead of letting the other team back in. That said 2-0
Would be nice to hold leads instead of letting the other team back in. That said 2-0
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I noticed some interesting things from the box score….Deni with 10 DREBs…but only 6 pts, but the team was also +16 with him and +17 with Porzingus on the floor. The two worst the other way…Hachimura -17 (but also top bench scorer ((12)), Gafford -15.
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Guys, the Wizards are a small market team like Atlanta, Charlotte, New Orleans, etc. They may luck into stars but they have no shot of competing. Spare me Utah, Minnesota, San Antonion (look at SA now without Duncan, Ginoboli, and Parker). What have they done since? I don't know, miss the playoffs repeatedly?
Teams like Wizards are stuck in purgatory. The league is literally rigged against small teams. Save Milwaukee who only won because of a generational star, the small market teams often are victims of long playoff droughts. Look at Orlando. Look at Sacramento. Come on.
Anyway, in more positie news the Wizards are acknowledging that Gilbert played for them before.
Teams like Wizards are stuck in purgatory. The league is literally rigged against small teams. Save Milwaukee who only won because of a generational star, the small market teams often are victims of long playoff droughts. Look at Orlando. Look at Sacramento. Come on.
Anyway, in more positie news the Wizards are acknowledging that Gilbert played for them before.
Will they be giving out handguns to every fan in attendance to commemorate Gil's time in DC?
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Not buying it…..draft better, do everything better. They‘re a fairly poorly run organization.
I don’t think so, JP. I live in the CA Bay Area. The Warriors (in Oakland at the time) were NOT a “large market” team. The created their team via the draft, win titles, built a new state of the art stadium in SF, and are NOW a “large market” team.
-Memphis is awesome. Not “large market”
-Phoenix got its shit together. Never been “large market” in any pro sport.
-Utah…..enough said
-Atlanta……not a “large market”
-Cleveland……not a “large market”
Come on?
The “large markets” are LA, Chicago, Houston, Dallas, New York, Boston, Miami, and Philadelphia.
How many recent titles. LAL in the bubble. Boston a while back. Miami even further back.
It’s about getting players to play together in a place they want to be. That can come in all kinds of flavours. The DelMarva area is as big as any of them, and the Wizards own it.
They just aren’t good at building teams.
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Thought they were in trouble, but they are surprising so far….
Glad to see Arenas coming back I still admit that he is probably my all time favorite Bullets/Zards player overall.
Dig what I've seen with the team so far but we saw them start good last season before they fell off the rails.
Dig what I've seen with the team so far but we saw them start good last season before they fell off the rails.
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"Draft better"
drafted Rui, Deni, Kispert and Beal and John Wall
Drafting isn't the problem, it's just that you need a generational superstar to win like Giannis and Beal can't be that
I agree. But since players collude to play for championship contenders, the Wiz can't get major stars to come here. LeBron and Durant would never come here.
Meanwhile the Caps were able to get a SC champion goalie to come here for a hefty deal via FA. Differences between basketball and hockey
Can you imagine a championship role player coming here of his own volition? Don't say Kuzma because he was dealt here.The last big superstar Wizards FA signing was Michael Jordan. And they had to sweeten the pot by giving him half-ownership
If you don't buy superstars you don't have a shot in the NBA. I'm a Wiz fan but I'm realistic. Best case scenario this team is a fringe playoff team.
You’re not being completely factual with the FA piece. Arenas himself chose DC, as did Chris Weber and Juwan Howard (trade for C-Web)…..guys like Paul Pierce."Draft better"
drafted Rui, Deni, Kispert and Beal and John Wall
Drafting isn't the problem, it's just that you need a generational superstar to win like Giannis and Beal can't be that
I agree. But since players collude to play for championship contenders, the Wiz can't get major stars to come here. LeBron and Durant would never come here.
Meanwhile the Caps were able to get a SC champion goalie to come here for a hefty deal via FA. Differences between basketball and hockey
The last big superstar Wizards FA signing was Michael Jordan. And they had to sweeten the pot by giving him half-ownership
I mean they haven’t gotten any of the top guys in the last decade or so, but that’s true for 80% of the teams.
If they can draft a top 10 overall NBA player, then another FA will come. It’s that “top 10 overall” guy we can’t ever get. And don’t tell me “but John Wall!”…..he was never a top 10 overall player. Ever.
That’s the missing link.
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Phil has a big mouth.
As far as I can tell the only thing making LIV a "force in the game" is the Saudi money backing lawsuits, player defections, and a bid pay a network to air some of their matches. There's nothing indicating they've done much else.
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Rui, Deni, Kispert… you can’t be serious using them as examples? Rotational players, at best. Only one of them is starting and that’s only because his defense is less bad than the other guys you listed. Rui won’t even be on the team next year. Cam Reddish and Tyler Hero went a few picks after Rui. Johnny Davis is a top ten pick and is about to get assigned to the G-League after going 2-21 in the preseason and not logging a single minute in four games so far."Draft better"
drafted Rui, Deni, Kispert and Beal and John Wall
Drafting isn't the problem, it's just that you need a generational superstar to win like Giannis and Beal can't be that
I agree. But since players collude to play for championship contenders, the Wiz can't get major stars to come here. LeBron and Durant would never come here.
Meanwhile the Caps were able to get a SC champion goalie to come here for a hefty deal via FA. Differences between basketball and hockey
The last big superstar Wizards FA signing was Michael Jordan. And they had to sweeten the pot by giving him half-ownership
And you made my point about settling for mediocrity. If you know Beal ain’t it why are you paying him like he is? They could have got a king’s ransom for him. Again, they also signed Paul Pierce who chose to come to DC. Know why he chose to come to DC? Because they had really good young players.
I will give Tommy credit, getting actual assets out of the Wall contract was a masterclass. And it looks like getting Will Barton and Monte Morris for Ish Smith and KCP seems like a stroke of genius too. But still, 9th or 10th is their ceiling and that’s not because the NBA is colliding against them.
