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Confirmed with Link: Muzzin to Toronto for 2019 1st, Grundstrom, and rights to Durzi

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YP44 said:
Freidman is saying LA chose Durzi over Liljegren...My hopes keep rising
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Wonder if the price to include Liljegren was Muzzin plus more if the package still included Grunstrom. Or maybe because Durzi is unsigned, so it helps keep the team under the max contracts limit?
 
YP44 said:
Freidman is saying LA chose Durzi over Liljegren...My hopes keep rising
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Yes, this is correct. If Friedman says it, it comes from good sourcing. Liljegren's stock has been on a steady decline since he was rated a top 10 pick. If reports were correct. Leafs wanted to make him available. But it looks like the Kings got Dubas to bend on that one. Getting a player their scouts preferred.

Los Angeles and Toronto sparred over 2019 first-rounder Rasmus Sandin. The Maple Leafs told anyone who asked they did not want to include him, and held firm. They did, however, remain Muzzin’s most consistent and aggressive pursuer. Montreal and Tampa Bay were in the picture at times, with the Canadiens trying to get him in the aborted

I was initially surprised that Timothy Liljegren wasn’t included. But, after looking deeper, teams are down on him right now. He’s not yet 20 — way too soon to give up — but several scouts were not surprised the Kings chose OHL Guelph’s Sean Durzi over Liljegren.
 
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YP44 said:
Durzi just got dealt to the current OHL team no?

Someone posted that if Thomas did not fall to LA they were eyeing Durzi
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Correct, from Owen Sound to Guelph who loaded up to make a run at the OHL title. They will likely have to go through a combo of London and Sault Ste. Marie/Saginaw which will be a tall order.
 
YP44 said:
For sure.

Sounds like LA at least got two prospects who are likely to play NHL games plus a first. Pretty good haul.
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I would not be surprised this was how negotiations went. Kings probably got the players their scouts rated higher. My break down below. That's my take.

Grundstrom > Bracco

Durzi > Liljegren

1st rd pick was always on the table.
 
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Lil is a much better prospect than Durzi, and it’s really not close.

If the “choice” was something along the lines of 2nd Round pick + Lil or 1st, Grund, Durzi, then I sort of get it from the Kings side.

If the choice was outright Durzi or Lil in the same package, Blake is a total fool for choosing Durzi.

This scouting staff doesn’t exactly have a spotless record. If they really valued Durzi over Lil, that’s concerning.
 
SettlementRichie10 said:
Lil is a much better prospect than Durzi, and it’s really not close.

If the “choice” was something along the lines of 2nd Round pick + Lil or 1st, Grund, Durzi, then I sort of get it from the Kings side.

If the choice was outright Durzi or Lil in the same package, Blake is a total fool for choosing Durzi.

This scouting staff doesn’t exactly have a spotless record. If they really valued Durzi over Lil, that’s concerning.
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Curious, is it still concerning if it's not just LA's staff?? Lillegren is a nice prospect, but has some major questions in his game.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Man, Durzi is getting trashed by Leafs fans. No real surprise.

Guy has been up and down so I get it, but sheesh.

Passed over in draft after ankle injury/surgery....drafted at the end of the 2nd after blowing up...got sent back to juniors this year due to marlies overflowing with prospects and has relatively disappointed instead of dominating MORE, which could chalk up to anything, though he's been scoring at a massive pace since his trade, so shrug.

Definitely worth the swing as an additional asset. Nice getting a more 'sure' prospect in Grundstrom and a longer shot but high ceiling in Durzi.
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Yeah, a lot of Leaf fans were really disappointed by the Durzi pick as I recall.

I think he's a good project, but the piece that really hurts in my mind is Grundstrom.
 
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Commander Clueless said:
Yeah, a lot of Leaf fans were really disappointed by the Durzi pick as I recall.
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If I recall correctly, I think they had some reservations because Durzi had been at their 2017 summer prospect camp as an undrafted invitee. So they could have presumably signed him (like the Kings did with Martin Jones, Philly with Philippe Myers, etc) rather than use a 2nd round pick the following year. It was almost like they were upset in principle rather than anything with Durzi himself who expected to be a 2nd/3rd round pick.
 
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I suspect the negotiations started around a 1st and Sandin and Leafs wanted nothing to do with Sandin being in a deal. I bet it came down a 1st and Liljegren, but Blake figured we could upgrade this into getting 2 prospects in Grundstrom and Durzi, both of whom the Kings were rumored to be interested in previous drafts. And when you think about Liljegren, he was supposed to be a top 2 pick in his draft year, but steadily dropped in the rankings and dropped in the draft. Have a feeling scouts aren't as impressed with him as he got older playing against older players.
 
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Brodeur said:
If I recall correctly, I think they had some reservations because Durzi had been at their 2017 summer prospect camp as an undrafted invitee. So they could have presumably signed him (like the Kings did with Martin Jones, Philly with Philippe Myers, etc) rather than use a 2nd round pick the following year. It was almost like they were upset in principle rather than anything with Durzi himself who expected to be a 2nd/3rd round pick.
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Yes, I believe that is correct. That, and we picked a lot of overagers.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
Curious, is it still concerning if it's not just LA's staff?? Lillegren is a nice prospect, but has some major questions in his game.
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Yes, I would be concerned about any scouting staff consciously choosing Durzi over Lil.

Again, if it was a matter of choice between packages, I get it. Maybe LA really valued Grundstrom. Maybe they really want to stock up on 1sts because they intend on trading up.

But Lil, despite his flaws, is doing some heavy lifting in the AHL as a 19 year old. He has imperfections, yes, but he’s undoubtedly a top tier prospect.
 
SettlementRichie10 said:
Yes, I would be concerned about any scouting staff consciously choosing Durzi over Lil.

Again, if it was a matter of choice between packages, I get it. Maybe LA really valued Grundstrom. Maybe they really want to stock up on 1sts because they intend on trading up.

But Lil, despite his flaws, is doing some heavy lifting in the AHL as a 19 year old. He has imperfections, yes, but he’s undoubtedly a top tier prospect.
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There's a ton of scouts out there that disagree with you, won't really know for a few years, and by that time, I will have forgotten this lol
 
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SettlementRichie10 said:
Yes, I would be concerned about any scouting staff consciously choosing Durzi over Lil.

Again, if it was a matter of choice between packages, I get it. Maybe LA really valued Grundstrom. Maybe they really want to stock up on 1sts because they intend on trading up.

But Lil, despite his flaws, is doing some heavy lifting in the AHL as a 19 year old. He has imperfections, yes, but he’s undoubtedly a top tier prospect.
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How do you feel about the recent Pronman ranking where he discussed scouting groups that would pass on him in trade negotiations? Friedman and Pronman both discussed having scouts they talked to say similar things, essentially saying there were things to worry about with Lil. I won't pretend to be an expert on Durzi, but it seems that a lot of fans are still discussing Lil based on his early pre draft rankings where people considered him a top 5 pick. We have seen based on his slide in that draft, that there may be more question marks regarding him.
 
crassbonanza said:
How do you feel about the recent Pronman ranking where he discussed scouting groups that would pass on him in trade negotiations? Friedman and Pronman both discussed having scouts they talked to say similar things, essentially saying there were things to worry about with Lil. I won't pretend to be an expert on Durzi, but it seems that a lot of fans are still discussing Lil based on his early pre draft rankings where people considered him a top 5 pick. We have seen based on his slide in that draft, that there may be more question marks regarding him.
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Both can still have great NHL careers but one seems to be trending up and the other down. LA went for the one trending up.
 
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Durzi also projects to be ready a year or three later than Liljegren, so if rated somewhat similarly, the extra time may be more desirable considering Liljegren, Clague and possibly Anderson are all more or less competing for time within a year or two from each other.
 
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