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Confirmed with Link: Muzzin to Toronto for 2019 1st, Grundstrom, and rights to Durzi

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Good value trade for the Kings. 3 good assets and took no salary back which is huge.
~14 million in cap space next year so any holes can be filled with a UFA.
3 picks in top 35 ish

Goal is to continue to shed salary and get more picks\prospects. Top end talent is still lacking, huge draft year for the Kings.
 
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Mats26 said:
Good value trade for the Kings. 3 good assets and took no salary back which is huge.
~14 million in cap space next year so any holes can be filled with a UFA.
3 picks in top 35 ish

Goal is to continue to shed salary and get more picks\prospects. Top end talent is still lacking, huge draft year for the Kings.
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Who's our top 5 prospects now?

1. Our 1st Rounder this year
2. Kupari?
3. JAD
4. Vilardi
5. Thomas

With Grundstrom as #6?
 
I would put an asterisk next to Vilardi's name. Would love to see this kid pan out, but at the moment, you can't really count on him.
 
YP44 said:
get the breadman?
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Kakko Kupari Panarin! That would be sick. But I wouldn't add another huge contract yet and of course the lottery balls have to bounce right for us.
In 2 years we will have another ~12 million off the books(hopefully sooner) with Kovy and Dion, I think that's the year we make a push.
 
KingsHockey24 said:
Who's our top 5 prospects now?

1. Our 1st Rounder this year
2. Kupari?
3. JAD
4. Vilardi
5. Thomas

With Grundstrom as #6?
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Is Cal Petersen still considered a prospect? He’d be in the top 5 IMO. Mikey Anderson is a real interesting prospect, has NHL all over him and looks like a Shane Doan type leader.

Kings play this deadline right and they could be loaded with future talent and have tons of cap space.
 
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Mats26 said:
Good value trade for the Kings. 3 good assets and took no salary back which is huge.
~14 million in cap space next year so any holes can be filled with a UFA.
3 picks in top 35 ish

Goal is to continue to shed salary and get more picks\prospects. Top end talent is still lacking, huge draft year for the Kings.
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Maybe we can get lucky and get another pick in the top 35. I'm hoping someone will get desperate for a center or defensemen offer a first for either Carter or Martinez. It's a long shot, I know. But crazy things happen at the deadline.
 
Muzzin turned himself into a pretty dang good player. IMO was having his strongest season yet and with only 1 more season under contract, it was the right time to deal him. He always appeared to be a standup guy and his teammates really liked him. I'll be rooting for him to continue his strong play.
Hopefully these kids Blake got work as hard as Muzzin and become solid NHL players.

Alright, who's next..
 
Fat Elvis said:
Muzzin turned himself into a pretty dang good player. IMO was having his strongest season yet and with only 1 more season under contract, it was the right time to deal him. He always appeared to be a standup guy and his teammates really liked him. I'll be rooting for him to continue his strong play.
Hopefully these kids Blake got work as hard as Muzzin and become solid NHL players.

Alright, who's next..
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Hagelin is 110% gone, maybe we'll get a 3rd.

Carter should go if Muzzin has already been dealt. I think we could get a 1st for him or a young forward with some upside.

Quick is a big question mark. Peterson is ready.. Campbell is solid and is young. Not sure the market on goalies.

Clifford and Lewis should stay with the team. They'll play as support roles for the young guys down the line.

It's more of the older guys playing lots of minutes that should be moved so the kids can step in and actually play more than 10min a night.

Oh and almost forgot about Martinez. He should also go but if we moved him our D would arguably be the worst in the NHL.
 
Gotta move Carter and Martinez next. Who cares who plays 2c and top 4 d in L.A. the rest of this season? If need be you dip into free agency for a Tom Preissing like stopgap or I'm sure there are plenty of teams who have meh top 4 guys they'd like to move for cheap. Clifford and Lewis are good vets to keep around. I'm really on the fence about Quick and Toffoli. No one wants Kovalchuk. No one can afford Kopitar. Keep Brown and Doughty.
 
Magnificent Matty said:
You'd rather be lied to? I'd personally prefer the truth over being fed inaccurate fluff just to feel better
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We prefer the facts with opinions sliding one way or another. I think that part is fine. It's that you're hanging around to basically lecture people on why they should feel otherwise even though you're sharing a minority opinion, and that you're passing your opinions off as facts. Example: Saying Durzi is in hard decline when his scoring pace with his new time is actually HIGHER Than his 49 in 40 games last year is creative.

Magnificent Matty said:
Kings fans will hate you for saying this but its true. Its what I've been saying as well as scouts.
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Ok, you can stop with the condescension. The "smartest man in the room" act is horse shit and literally every other Leaf fan that has stopped by has been on fantastic behavior sharing info.
 
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Kings won’t deal Martinez now. He is only one year older than Muzzin, scored one of the most important goals in Kings history, has more term than Muzzin and besides Doughty, the only real other top 4 d man left. Plus, his last name is Martinez in a City that has a large Hispanic population. His last name is on the back of a lot of jerseys.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Kings won’t deal Martinez now. He is only one year older than Muzzin, scored one of the most important goals in Kings history, has more term than Muzzin and besides Doughty, the only real other top 4 d man left. Plus, his last name is Martinez in a City that has a large Hispanic population. His last name is on the back of a lot of jerseys.
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If a team pays a premium he should be dealt. If not hold him till next year and see if the team is in the same position as this year.
 
KingsHockey24 said:
Hagelin is 110% gone, maybe we'll get a 3rd.

Carter should go if Muzzin has already been dealt. I think we could get a 1st for him or a young forward with some upside.

Quick is a big question mark. Peterson is ready.. Campbell is solid and is young. Not sure the market on goalies.

Clifford and Lewis should stay with the team. They'll play as support roles for the young guys down the line.

It's more of the older guys playing lots of minutes that should be moved so the kids can step in and actually play more than 10min a night.

Oh and almost forgot about Martinez. He should also go but if we moved him our D would arguably be the worst in the NHL.
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Other way around. Until he plays at least an entire season in the NHL Peterson is the big question.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Kings won’t deal Martinez now. He is only one year older than Muzzin, scored one of the most important goals in Kings history, has more term than Muzzin and besides Doughty, the only real other top 4 d man left. Plus, his last name is Martinez in a City that has a large Hispanic population. His last name is on the back of a lot of jerseys.
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People do under sell this point. My wifes family last name Martinez, became interested in hockey simply because of his name. They all don Martinez sweaters these days.
 
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KingsFan7824 said:
Most of the time, Doughty has played with a left handed defensive defenseman. Forbort is the only guy they have left like that. If the defense was deeper, maybe Muzzin keeps playing with Doughty all these years.



With the all-star break and bye week, it's likely Muzzin wasn't in town. They're all big boys getting paid millions. Can't imagine this was a surprise to him. He was probably counting down the days until it happened. It'll be alright.



And then what if he gets hurt? When you have a trade you like, do it. The Kings don't hold all the leverage in these equations. They're also desperate to get some kind of return on depreciating assets. Considering all the factors, the return on Muzzin may end up being the most they get for anyone on the roster that they can trade. Perfect world, they take it down to the last minute. 11 games is a lot of time to get hurt though, and had they waited and he gotten hurt, it's why didn't they trade him sooner. Maybe he gets a leg injury like Carter, and it takes him all year next year to get back his game, and they're selling really low.

It's tough enough to make trades in this hard cap league. If you wait, maybe a few other teams fall out of the race, a couple more defensemen become available, and now your supply has decreased in value.
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A trade like what? Three B-level assets, at best?

There was no urgency to get this deal done, and as a result, they've lost out on potentially getting more. The closer you get to the deadline, the more desperate teams get - especially if Carolina move one of their Dmen for some high level scoring, establishing the market
 
The don godfather said:
Say if muzzin gets injured. It was a high package if you disect it. 2 second round pick prospects and a unconditional 1st round pick. I'd take that and run. Let's hope leafs now in a 5 game losing streak.
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If he gets injured, you move him in the offseason. He still has term. There was no urgency here from LA.

It's a mediocre package that may have gotten better the closer you get to deadline - especially if Carolina ends up moving one of their Dmen for high end talent, establishing the market
 
Tak7 said:
If he gets injured, you move him in the offseason. He still has term. There was no urgency here from LA.

It's a mediocre package that may have gotten better the closer you get to deadline - especially if Carolina ends up moving one of their Dmen for high end talent, establishing the market
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really depends on Durzi IMO. Sounds like the kings were big on him at the draft so who knows. I am not mad at this return but I am not thrilled either.
 
Tak7 said:
A trade like what? Three B-level assets, at best?

There was no urgency to get this deal done, and as a result, they've lost out on potentially getting more. The closer you get to the deadline, the more desperate teams get - especially if Carolina move one of their Dmen for some high level scoring, establishing the market
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They've also lost out on potentially getting less. Life can get you coming or going. There's always something.

Carolina's d-men are different than Muzzin. It's not the same market. If you're talking Hamilton, he's 4/5 years younger, and a RHD. Pesce, 5/6 years younger, and a RHD. Soon to be 30 year old lefties aren't worth as much.
 
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