Confirmed with Link: [MTL/TB] Sergachev/Drouin II

[NotProkofievian]

Incredibly happy with this deal, for a variety of factors.

First of all, we all know Sergachev has a very high ceiling. I'm just not a big believer that he'll reach it. And even if he does reach superstar level, we got a young, superstar level player in return.

Not convinced Drouin is going to be the solution at center, but in my opinion, he becomes our best winger right away. Yes, better than Pacioretty. Fairly close with Radulov, but heading into next season, I'd rather have Drouin. He was my favorite prospect in the 2013 draft, always felt like he had the highest ceiling out of anyone from that draft. He can be a Mitch Marner with sandpaper. Incredible talent.

Speaking of which, this move is useless if we don't resign Radulov. Hopefully that doesn't happen.

Also, even though I'm hoping it doesn't go that way, but it sure feels like Galchenyuk is on his way out, probably for a young LD. I'd rather stick with him at center, personally.

Me too. It'd strike me as a pretty lateral move to trade a forward and an LD for....a forward and an LD....and still not have our top center (Drouin's a winger, gaiz).

 

[LastWordArmy]

Drouin is going to be the #1 centre in montreal, book it.

They will put him there and leave him there.

He'll be tied at the hip to Pacioretty and be given every opportunity, no matter what he does defensively.

Bergevin and Julien will need to prove they are the smartest guys in the room with this deal (And the soon to come Galchenyuk move).

He's getting the Desharnais treatment.


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And you know what? It's gonna work, cause Drouin is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better as a hockey player than DD.

 

[lamp9post]

Me too. It'd strike me as a pretty lateral move to trade a forward and an LD for....a forward and an LD....and still not have our top center (Drouin's a winger, gaiz).

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the Galchenyuk-for-LD talk I've been hearing. I'd rather dangle Gallagher and picks for an upgrade on D and either keep Chucky or package him for a natural center.

 

[Adriatic]

I thought it was gonna take more to get Drouin out of Tampa. But Yzerman was in a tough spot really, can't protect everybody and there's no way Drouin was signing a bridge deal so there you go. I also don't see Serge becoming that #1 stud d that a lot here seem to expect. We definitely got the better player in the trade imo.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I thought it was gonna take more to get Drouin out of Tampa. But Yzerman was in a tough spot really, can't protect everybody and there's no way Drouin was signing a bridge deal so there you go. I also don't see Serge becoming that #1 stud d that a lot here seem to expect. We definitely got the better player in the trade imo.

This is one of those trades where it might not even matter if we got the best player. Drouin simply fits with us better for RIGHT NOW. If we're going to actually try to win something we have to do this now. He makes us better today and that's really what we needed. Even if Sergachev becomes as good or slightly better than Drouin is, the trade actually still makes sense for us.

 

[Nicko999]

Good hockey trade by MB. Would look even better if we still had Subban but I'll take it.

Came here to say that. This trade makes sense if Subban is on the team. With Weber and Markov as the top 2? It's another awful trade by Bergevin long-term (but at least this time unlike the PK trade, it's a good trade short-term).

 

[HawkNut]

It's a good deal - long term, nice pay and someone who really emerged.

 

[Lebowski]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the Galchenyuk-for-LD talk I've been hearing. I'd rather dangle Gallagher and picks for an upgrade on D and either keep Chucky or package him for a natural center.

This is one of those trades where it might not even matter if we got the best player. Drouin simply fits with us better for RIGHT NOW. If we're going to actually try to win something we have to do this now. He makes us better today and that's really what we needed. Even if Sergachev becomes as good or slightly better than Drouin is, the trade actually still makes sense for us.

Only thing is, I don't think Drouin fixes the center issue, and we don't have a whole lot of assets to get said center anymore aside from Galchenyuk and Gallagher.

Personally, I'd be shopping Pacioretty pretty hard right now. Drouin becomes our #1LW, re-sign Radulov, find a cheapish solution at center, someone like RNH, and hopefully move Pacioretty for a legit top 4. Maybe a package around Hamonic/De Haan from the Islanders could work for both teams.

 

[lamp9post]

Came here to say that. This trade makes sense if Subban is on the team. With Weber and Markov as the top 2? It's another awful trade by Bergevin long-term (but at least this time unlike the PK trade, it's a good trade short-term).

What? Drouin is 22. We got the more proven player AND the player with the highest upside IMO. The only downside to this trade is that we miss out on a cheap ELC deal, but chances are Sergachev won't be playing big minutes until his second contract anyway.

 

[Goldenhands]

The logic I don't understand is why are you assuming Sergachev spends most of his career there or will want to sign such a long term deal? On the flip side why is 2 more years for Drouin matter? He can just resign afterwards.

Personally, I would have preffered to get 2 more guarenteed years of Drouin while paying him a bit more per year since there is no guarentee he re-sign here when his contract expires.. I have no doubt Drouin will do great for the Habs, Im just wondering whats next in Bergevin's head so that trade starts to make sense? Are we better with Drouin - Sergachev or with Radulov + Sergachev? I mean, why not just give Radu the money and term he wanted and keep Sergachev? Sure Drouin is probably already better than Radulov and you basically erase all the risk with a younger player like Drouin, but what if Radu still had 3-4 good seasons to offer.. You just buy him out at the end if its not working anymore.. you still have Sergachev in your line-up..

The way I see it right now, we replaced a skilled winger by another one but there is no Sergachev anymore in the system.. If Drouin was a natural center and then you re-sign Radu, I would understand the move and probably even approve it, but how does this trade make us better on paper? How does this team can pretend to be in win now mode if there is no more important moves in the next weeks?

 

[calder candidate]

I'm hoping this mean there already a deal in place with Vegas for the expansion draft.
Will have to wait and see the other move because if we can't re-sign Radulov it is a lateral move at best...

 

[SB164]

Drouin's ability to gain the zone on the PP is going to be huge for us.

 

[lamp9post]

Only thing is, I don't think Drouin fixes the center issue, and we don't have a whole lot of assets to get said center anymore aside from Galchenyuk and Gallagher.

Personally, I'd be shopping Pacioretty pretty hard right now. Drouin becomes our #1LW, re-sign Radulov, find a cheapish solution at center, someone like RNH, and hopefully move Pacioretty for a legit top 4. Maybe a package around Hamonic/De Haan from the Islanders could work for both teams.

True, but he does fix the offense issue in general. Habs desperately needed a playmaker and they got a good one. Even if no C is acquired, our offense is still much improved as a result of this acquisition. Still need to get a centre though, but its not like this move didn't address a glaring need.

 

[Lebowski]

True, but he does fix the offense issue in general. Habs desperately needed a playmaker and they got a good one. Even if no C is acquired, our offense is still much improved as a result of this acquisition. Still need to get a centre though, but its not like this move didn't address a glaring need.

I'm very happy with this move, don't get me wrong. I'm especially glad Bergevin backed off from his ridiculous "we're not trading Sergachev" stance he had a while ago... Trading Sergachev is the type of move this team HAD to consider based on its position.

Only thing is, you just have to re-sign Radulov now... Letting him walk would be like losing Sergachev for nothing.

 

[HBDay]

Push Lehk down to third line. It's no Kessel on the third line but it certainly gives us depth.

 

[lamp9post]

Personally, I would have preffered to get 2 more guarenteed years of Drouin while paying him a bit more per year since there is no guarentee he re-sign here when his contract expires.. I have no doubt Drouin will do great for the Habs, Im just wondering whats next in Bergevin's head so that trade starts to make sense? Are we better with Drouin - Sergachev or with Radulov + Sergachev? I mean, why not just give Radu the money and term he wanted and keep Sergachev? Sure Drouin is probably already better than Radulov and you basically erase all the risk with a younger player like Drouin, but what if Radu still had 3-4 good seasons to offer.. You just buy him out at the end if its not working anymore.. you still have Sergachev in your line-up..

The way I see it right now, we replaced a skilled winger by another one but there is no Sergachev anymore in the system.. If Drouin was a natural center and then you re-sign Radu, I would understand the move and probably even approve it, but how does this trade make us better on paper? How does this team can pretend to be in win now mode if there is no more important moves in the next weeks?[/QUOTE]

Dude...it's a 6 year deal. Relax and enjoy. Worry about re-signing Drouin in 5 years.

Last I heard, Radulov and the Habs were talking. Not sure why you're acting like a foregone conclusion that he's not coming back. BUT if he doesn't come back, then he probably wasn't coming back if we kept Sergachev either.

 

[Goldenhands]

This is one of those trades where it might not even matter if we got the best player. Drouin simply fits with us better for RIGHT NOW. If we're going to actually try to win something we have to do this now. He makes us better today and that's really what we needed. Even if Sergachev becomes as good or slightly better than Drouin is, the trade actually still makes sense for us.

Thats exactly what is wrong.. How does Drouin make us that much better if we dont re-sign Radulov or dont find a way to get a real top 6 center?? As far as Im concerned Drouin is an upgrade over Radulov thats for sure, but that wont be enough to make us much better up front, still less a real contender..

 

[Redux91]

Wow. just.. wow

Ive wanted Drouin for 4 years now...dream come true for me as well

it sucks to lose sergy but...honest to god..we can all admit it now, he scared the **** out of us defensively.. the offense is there..he will produce and be dangerous...but wow that kid is gonna get scored on for sure, take her easy Mikhail it was fun, but you were no sure thing, Drouin however, is a budding superstar in the making, electrifying is the only word to describe him

Me and my buddy always disccused these past couple years how not tanking in 2013 to get one of the big 4 was a huge blow to the progression of the team, teams get better with multiple top 5 picks for 3-4 years in a row, and we really needed to add to picking galchenyuk 3rd overall, drouin had an even better season than mackinnon that year who went 1st overall because of the blazing speed he posseses

out of nowhere, we now have one of the big 4 from 2013 as if we tanked after all that year lol, and oh my god i couldnt be happier, only better player would of been barkov lol, Drouin will do juuuuuuuuuuuust fine all things consiered (french star who is geniunely thrilled to be a hab)

i remember how pissed i was when i heard Drouin was refusing to report to AHL, as if "****, bergevin will never trade for him now.." thank god lol

im impressed Bergy.... now dont **** it up in these next 2-3 weeks... Radulov and Galchenyuk MUST STAY

 

[Goldenhands]

Personally, I would have preffered to get 2 more guarenteed years of Drouin while paying him a bit more per year since there is no guarentee he re-sign here when his contract expires.. I have no doubt Drouin will do great for the Habs, Im just wondering whats next in Bergevin's head so that trade starts to make sense? Are we better with Drouin - Sergachev or with Radulov + Sergachev? I mean, why not just give Radu the money and term he wanted and keep Sergachev? Sure Drouin is probably already better than Radulov and you basically erase all the risk with a younger player like Drouin, but what if Radu still had 3-4 good seasons to offer.. You just buy him out at the end if its not working anymore.. you still have Sergachev in your line-up..

The way I see it right now, we replaced a skilled winger by another one but there is no Sergachev anymore in the system.. If Drouin was a natural center and then you re-sign Radu, I would understand the move and probably even approve it, but how does this trade make us better on paper? How does this team can pretend to be in win now mode if there is no more important moves in the next weeks?[/QUOTE]

Dude...it's a 6 year deal. Relax and enjoy. Worry about re-signing Drouin in 5 years.

Last I heard, Radulov and the Habs were talking. Not sure why you're acting like a foregone conclusion that he's not coming back. BUT if he doesn't come back, then he probably wasn't coming back if we kept Sergachev either.

Well after the contract Drouin just signed, that would be incredibly risky to spend another 6M per year on another winger.. At some point you have to spend money on centers and there is no guarentee Drouin can play there, neither Galchenyuk..

Just take a look at the money spent on wingers:

Drouin 5.5
Patch 4.5
Shaw 3.9
Gallagher 3.75

And if we re-sign Galchenyuk, thats another 5M spent on a guy who is not a legitimate center yet..

 

[Lebowski]

Thats exactly what is wrong.. How does Drouin make us that much better if we dont re-sign Radulov or dont find a way to get a real top 6 center?? As far as Im concerned Drouin is an upgrade over Radulov thats for sure, but that wont be enough to make us much better up front, still less a real contender..

I don't see how you draw the conclusion that Drouin signing implies Radulov leaving. Two completely different situations.

If Radulov leaves, acquiring Drouin will keep our offense more or less on par with what we had last year... But if we hadn't traded for Drouin and Radulov still wouldn't re-sign, where does that leave us? Arguably one of the worst offense in the league?

 

[SquiddFX]

For me if we got him I would be estatic as there are few defenseman available like him that fit what we need, he's young, signed to a great contract and is a lefty.

We need a PMD. Brodin is the opposite of that. How is he what we need?

 

[Belial]

With this Drouin trade suddenly so many plausible scenarios are possible... I don't even know what to think now

 

[Adriatic]

Drouin's ability to gain the zone on the PP is going to be huge for us.

Like butter

 

[Goldenhands]

I don't see how you draw the conclusion that Drouin signing implies Radulov leaving. Two completely different situations.

If Radulov leaves, acquiring Drouin will keep our offense more or less on par with what we had last year... But if we hadn't traded for Drouin and Radulov still wouldn't re-sign, where does that leave us? Arguably one of the worst offense in the league?

See my post above, thats too much spent on wingers, Habs cant afford to spend another 6M on Radulov when we have no clue if Drouin or Galchenyuk can do the job down the middle.. To me its clear at this point Radu isnt coming back unless Bergevin has some other crazy moves in the work..

 

[Price is Wright]

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