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Confirmed with Link: [MTL/TB] Sergachev/Drouin II

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ProspectsFanatic said:
Sergachev has all the tools to become an elite defenseman at the NHL level, I would say that he possesses higher ceiling than Drouin, I can envision him becoming the complete package who excels in all three zones. At the opposite, mainly due to his size, Drouin is more restricted in a purely offensive role. Sergachev has the size, the speed, the shot, the IQ and you can add to that exceptional work ethic, he is anything you can desire in a NHL Dman. That being said, Dmen take longer to develop, so are harder to project, he is going to become a good NHL player for sure, however reaching the elite status never is a guarantee. From Drouin side, he isn't as complete as Sergachev could be, however he excels more in his strengths, his offensive IQ and puck skill are completely off the chart, very few player can create offense like Drouin can do, if he could only put up half the numbers he did in the QMJHL at the NHL level, Drouin would be one of the most productive forward in the NHL (Last season in the Q: Reg. season+Playoff+MCup: 66-43-115-158 -50%-> 66-22-57-79).

All in all, it seems like a pretty even deal that makes sense for both sides with each team addressing one of their biggest need, TB got a bit higher ceiling in Sergachev and MTL got a bit more guaranteed value in a older and more proven young NHL player. Like for any deal, only time will tell who got the short end of the stick.
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Sarge's IQ always troubled me. He no doubt is a physical specimen, great wheels, shot etc..but at the next level his size and skills will not be as overpowering as they were in junior. Every time I watched him play I marveled at his size and skills but was left somewhat disappointed with his hockey IQ.
 
Goldenhands said:
So Bergevin knew he wouldnt re-sign Radu due to his ridiculous demands, he reacts by trading the future of this franchise at the blueline for a Radulov replacement.. Sure Drouin is younger and has more potential than Radulov, but how does it solve our ****ing problem down the middle?? Who is going to replace Markov in 2 years from now? Who will move the puck on that old blueline, Beaulieu? :help:

If Bergevin is done for the summer and doesnt make any other major moves to really make the Habs a contender short term, trading Sergachev for Drouin doesnt make any sense, the guy is either a perfect idiot or just wants to safe his job as long as possible by making popular moves that will at the end hurt the Habs ALOT mid and long term..

As of right now, it looks like total improvisation from Bergevin.. It just looks like a guy who has alot of pressure on the shoulders to win now and no real plans.. Hopefully he makes me wrong and makes some other signifiant moves to change this team in contender cause as of right now, we still dont have a real top 6 center yet and our blueline isnt getting any faster..

Yzerman used Bergevin perfectly to get exactly what he wanted for Drouin, a young and cheap bluechip D prospect who will do wonders with Hedman as partner for years to come..

Drouin is here for the next 6 years, Sergachev is possibly a Bolt for the next 15 years.. Think about that.
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Drouin is undoubtedly talented and I'm happy to have him. That said, I agree with most of this post. I'll reserve judgement until the summer plays out but if JD just ends up as Radulov's replacement with no other help up front then this trade could look really bad for the Habs in the near future.
 
Like our GM or not you can't deny he is swinging for the fences.

In retrospect I would've preferred PK with Drouin in the mix?

I'm not a hater of Weber.....quite the opposite.....but Drouin's speed is accelerated with a PMD.
 
Goldenhands said:
Drouin is here for the next 6 years, Sergachev is possibly a Bolt for the next 15 years.. Think about that.
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Thats certainly one way to think about it.

Bo Horvat
Jacob Trouba
Dougie Hamilton
Mikael Granlund
Jared Cowen
Josh Bailey
Logan Couture
James Sheppard
Brian Lee
Ladislav Smid

That list right there is the #9 OA picks from 2004-2014. Maybe Sergachev was the ultimate homerun/sleeper but the odds are he doesn't turn into a PK Subban 2.0.

Compare that to the same list, but #3 overall picks:

Drouin
Galchenyuk
Huberdeau
Gudbranson
Duchene
Bogosian
Turris
Toews
J Johnson
Cam Barker

Considering Drouin has shown at the NHL level the potential to reach his ceiling, I like our odds.
 
yianik said:
LOL. Sakic. Duchene for Sergachev AND Galchenyuk. :help:

Good luck with that Joe.
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Hahaha! Nice one, I've totally forgot that one.

Sakic should be pissed at our deal... he still be my hero whatever

So.... #Never trashtalks against Mr Sakic - Brett Hull (said to Avery)
 
Habnot said:
Sarge's IQ always troubled me. He no doubt is a physical specimen, great wheels, shot etc..but at the next level his size and skills will not be as overpowering as they were in junior. Every time I watched him play I marveled at his size and skills but was left somewhat disappointed with his hockey IQ.
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I agree that he did look really bad in terms of decision making in his short stint with the Habs this season, but for a player his age it was pretty much expected, your time and space is so much more restricted than at the junior level that you feel rush to make plays, you end up making untypical suboptimal plays. At junior level, Sergachev is very strong at seeing the right line of play and executing it, he just need a bit more development and time of adjustment in order to execute those type of plays at the NHL level, I wouldn't say his IQ is one of his best strengths, but it definitely not a weakness in his game imo. All around strong Dman usually fair very well at the NHL level, even if they haven't anything that special in their game (it is somewhat the opposite for forwards), Sergachev game will translate well at the NHL level imo.
 
Surprised ! Didn't expect Sergachev to go but hey, Drouin is very promising. He is a piece of a puzzle to fix our offense weakness. Hoping it's not finish, still expect a quality center to come here, we'll see.
 
Goldenhands said:
In fact, if Tampa handle the situation well, they could sign Sergachev to a 8 yrs deal when he is about 24 yrs old, what leads to 32 years old in the same organization.. Why didnt Bergevin sign Drouin for 8 yrs instead of 6 exactly?? I dont understand the logic??
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The logic I don't understand is why are you assuming Sergachev spends most of his career there or will want to sign such a long term deal? On the flip side why is 2 more years for Drouin matter? He can just resign afterwards.
 
One Less Louise said:
Common you didn't even try ! Just lazy !
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Jonathan Drowning?

My gut feeling is that this is like the Gomez trade, except Drouin is better and relatively not overpaid, but Sergachev will be way better than McDonagh.

So while Drouin will not be an anchor, I'm still on the Sergachev boat.
 
No Team Needed said:
Lehkonen - Drouin - Radulov
Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Hudon - Danault - Byron
De la Rose - Mitchell - McCarron

(Plekanec to LV, Shaw to whatever team overvalues him)

Leave Drouin and Chuck at centre for the whole year, defensive issues or not. In the end the team will be better for it.
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The problem is we basically need to win now. We can't really let Drouin and Galchenyuk develop at center. Were' about 2 years away from having an AHL defence with no obvious top 4 prospects in the pipeline so that really ups the urgency. We can maybe roll the dice with 1 of Drouin and Galchenyuk at center but we need a rock up the middle if we're going to contend. I say re-sign Radulov and trade Pacioretty for a top line center.
 
When Drouin was allowed to let loose and play - he played great. Had fantastic chemistry with Kucherov. But doesn't need a super-star next to him to be great. Drouin is very dynamic and creates his own space/scoring opportunities. He is not soft at all, but he is not a huge kid and needs to keep his head up. I think he's an exceptional talent and potential all-star.

On the flip side, there were some conflicts with the coach and SY. Than the contract demands. Signs a significantly higher deal than Kucherov, who took a low bridge deal to keep the core together. So I don't know what to think about Drouin. Montreal just might be a place where he's happy and content.
 
Yes, omg yes.

His skill level is just, so so high, makes skilled players look unskilled in comparison, can absolutely fly and has insane hands and excellent vision.

He will lead this team in points this upcoming season if he is given top line pp minutes.
 
Incredibly happy with this deal, for a variety of factors.

First of all, we all know Sergachev has a very high ceiling. I'm just not a big believer that he'll reach it. And even if he does reach superstar level, we got a young, superstar level player in return.

Not convinced Drouin is going to be the solution at center, but in my opinion, he becomes our best winger right away. Yes, better than Pacioretty. Fairly close with Radulov, but heading into next season, I'd rather have Drouin. He was my favorite prospect in the 2013 draft, always felt like he had the highest ceiling out of anyone from that draft. He can be a Mitch Marner with sandpaper. Incredible talent.

Speaking of which, this move is useless if we don't resign Radulov. Hopefully that doesn't happen.

Also, even though I'm hoping it doesn't go that way, but it sure feels like Galchenyuk is on his way out, probably for a young LD. I'd rather stick with him at center, personally.
 
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