Confirmed with Link: [MTL/TB] Sergachev/Drouin II

[417]

I do hope CJ will give him a decent shot. He has no reason not to. Which is partly the reason why I'm not fond of the idea of getting 2Cs at the cost of a Gallagher or Lehkonen. Its a sideways move at best.

Would you have preferred trading Sergachev and Galchenyuk to get a #1C Instead?

Add a 1st round pick?

Let's recap...

Sergachev + Galchenyuk + 1st round pick

For a top 6C who is not one of the elite C's but somewhere in a tier below.

Think Duchene/RNH/Johansen/

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

You claim our top six needed help. We agree on that. But it wasn't on the wing we needed help. It was at center. Without radulov our wingers are:

Galchenyuk, Patches, Gallagher and Lehkonen. Those are excellent wingers.

Where our top six sucks is at center. It isn't average and it isn't bad. It's terrible! The #1 and #2 spots are two gaping holes. So what does our genius GM do, he trades for another winger. That's why I brought up trading for Martin Jones and you agreed that was absolutely terrible. We already have a top goalie. It would be a waste of roster spot.

Another analogy. MB's roof is leaking but he reads in his Canadian Tire circular that there's a special on paint. So he buys the paint and remodels his place all the while his roof still leaks. That's what this guy has done with the center position.

I see what you mean. The center line is still our most weakness again this year. Yet we have 4 excellent wingers. I don't get how this hockey team sucks that much about centerline one and two. Good centers is what is paid the highest in trades and Habs never pay the price so Habs will never be good at center. If Habs don't draft a good center, they don't get a good one. Rangers get them with free agency. Not Montreal. If st**id Timmins drafted Giroux instead of long whip David Fisher ...

 

[Habs Icing]

Would you have preferred trading Sergachev and Galchenyuk to get a #1C Instead?

Add a 1st round pick?

Let's recap...

Sergachev + Galchenyuk + 1st round pick

For a top 6C who is not one of the elite C's but somewhere in a tier below.

Think Duchene/RNH/Johansen/

That's bullcrap. A RNH or Johansen level player could have been had for a lot cheaper. And Duchene is a better player than Drouin. He was invited to play for senior team Canada twice. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Drouin to be called.

 

[G0bias]

Would you have preferred trading Sergachev and Galchenyuk to get a #1C Instead?

Add a 1st round pick?

Let's recap...

Sergachev + Galchenyuk + 1st round pick

For a top 6C who is not one of the elite C's but somewhere in a tier below.

Think Duchene/RNH/Johansen/

Keep in mind that's a price you are completely making up. The fact you imply this would be the cost of RNH just to get your point across is quite sad.

But Sergachev and Galchenyuk for a legit 1C? (And not Duchene, RNH etc..) Yes. I would prefer.

 

[417]

That's bullcrap. A RNH or Johansen level player could have been had for a lot cheaper. And Duchene is a better player than Drouin. He was invited to play for senior team Canada twice. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Drouin to be called.

How do you know it's crap?

You said earlier

"Sergachev ++"

I'll ask you AGAIN, what is the ++?

As for Duchene being better than Drouin because he made Team Canada when Drouin was still a junior aged player...

What is your point?

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I do hope CJ will give him a decent shot. He has no reason not to. Which is partly the reason why I'm not fond of the idea of getting 2Cs at the cost of a Gallagher or Lehkonen. Its a sideways move at best.

There is still hope that under Julien a guy like Galchenyuk could improve a lot, like how Bergeron, Kreji, and Marchand became the players they are under the coaching of Julien. He won the Cup with these guys. Drouin also who may become an excellent center if Julien is that good developping a player. They both be good at centering. I think Shaw may be correct at center no2, with few tunings, like with a car, lol.

 

[417]

Keep in mind that's a price you are completely making up. It's silly of you to even imply this would be the cost of RNH.

But Sergachev and Galchenyuk for a legit 1C? (And not Duchene, RNH etc..) Yes. I would prefer.

I said a center LIKE RNH...I also added other names, forcus less on the names and more on the types of centers I'm talking about.

So you would have preferred Sergachev and Galchenyuk for a legit #1C

Who exactly?

I'm not the one who advanced that we could get a legit #1C for a package that contains Sergachev as the main piece, someone else did.

Burden of proof lies with him, not me.

But since you chimed in...who do you think the Habs could have gotten for Sergachev and Galchenyuk?

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Would you have preferred trading Sergachev and Galchenyuk to get a #1C Instead?

Add a 1st round pick?

Let's recap...

Sergachev + Galchenyuk + 1st round pick

For a top 6C who is not one of the elite C's but somewhere in a tier below.

Think Duchene/RNH/Johansen/

If we were trading Serg and Galchenyuk we would be talking someone like Tavares.

 

[Habs Icing]

I think people are overrated Sergachev IMO.

Drouin made 53 points in 73 games. Is it really crazy that he produces as much as Radulov(54 points)? He may easily hit 60+ in his prime years no?

That's legit top 6 forward. I'm okay with that.

Sergachev hasn't played much, isn't proven. May end up a top pair D or may end up a top 4, who knows.

At this point it's cheap because they are only 3 years apart and one actually showed signs of success at NHL level.

I really don't have a problem with the value of the trade. But on the other hand it's not like we robbed Yzerman. Also many people are overrating Drouin. Your expectations seem realistic. And my expectations align with yours.

Where I do have a problem is we went into the off season with no legit #1 or #2 centermen. Even with the loss of radulov we really didn't have any issues on wing but MB trades for a winger and hasn't addressed the problems at the #1 or #2 center spots. And It looks like he isn't going to address those holes any time soon.

 

[G0bias]

I said a center LIKE RNH...I also added other names, forcus less on the names and more on the types of centers I'm talking about.

So you would have preferred Sergachev and Galchenyuk for a legit #1C

Who exactly?

I'm not the one who advanced that we could get a legit #1C for a package that contains Sergachev as the main piece, someone else did.

Burden of proof lies with him, not me.

But since you chimed in...who do you think the Habs could have gotten for Sergachev and Galchenyuk?

Except you advanced Galchenyuk being part of it. No one else did.
Which means he's the main piece in this case, not Sergachev.

Go have a look at what 1Cs have fetched. Come back to me if they got more if not even equal value as; a young first liner/potential 1C + 8th ov. potential 1D prospect + 1st.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

How do you know it's crap?

You said earlier

"Sergachev ++"

I'll ask you AGAIN, what is the ++?

As for Duchene being better than Drouin because he made Team Canada when Drouin was still a junior aged player...

What is your point?

I watched Duchene last spring and he's not hot. Don't ask you why Colorado s**ks so much. I would say 90% chances Droiun is a much much better hockey player, a player with much more speed and very quick hands. Drouin >>Duchene

 

[Andrei79]

That's bullcrap. A RNH or Johansen level player could have been had for a lot cheaper. And Duchene is a better player than Drouin. He was invited to play for senior team Canada twice. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Drouin to be called.

I like Duchene, but I'm willing to take the bet he gets outscored by Drouin from here on out. It's tough coming out of a season like he had last year, but keeping up with someone on the upswing and with the amount of pure offensive skill Drouin has ? I'm not betting on him.

In that regard, why do you feel he's a one dimensional player ? Is he limited to one skill ? He's actually and likely the young player yet to emerge with the most complete skillset on offense. His defensive issues are overblown.

But the thing is, when you say his offense has yet to emerge. Well, if you look at the stats, both advanced and traditional, it would somewhat seem so. He scored too much on the PP, but what the eye test showed to me was a wealth of created offensive opportunities that weren't finished, but will with experience.

 

[417]

If we were trading Serg and Galchenyuk we would be talking someone like Tavares.

You really think that gets it done?

Bergevin couldn't get anyone to bite on Galchenyuk this summer

And you think we can get John Tavares for Galchenyuk and Sergachev?

Yeah...with all due respect, no chance that happens.

If that trade was realistic...John Tavares would be a Hab already.

I think you get Snow to not immediately hang up on you by offering this 2, but you're still quite far off IMO

 

[417]

Except you advanced Galchenyuk being part of it. No one else did.
Which means he's the main piece in this case, not Sergachev.

Trying to help him make his argument here..

Once AGAIN...HE said

Sergachev "++"

 

[LyricalLyricist]

I really don't have a problem with the value of the trade. But on the other hand it's not like we robbed Yzerman. Also many people are overrating Drouin. Your expectations seem realistic. And my expectations align with yours.

Where I do have a problem is we went into the off season with no legit #1 or #2 centermen. Even with the loss of radulov we really didn't have any issues on wing but MB trades for a winger and hasn't addressed the problems at the #1 or #2 center spots. And It looks like he isn't going to address those holes any time soon.

As I said in this thread, it depends if you consider Galchenyuk a #1-2 by next season. I think he can be at least a #2. Danault is a #2-3 and Plekanec is a 3 who may bounce back as a #2 in a contract year rather than being the #1B he was for many years.

I think we'll be surprisingly 'okay' at C under those conditions but far from contenders nonetheless.

 

[le_sean]

That's bullcrap. A RNH or Johansen level player could have been had for a lot cheaper. And Duchene is a better player than Drouin. He was invited to play for senior team Canada twice. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Drouin to be called.

Drouin is 22. What kind of argument is that?

 

[Roadhouse]

Except you advanced Galchenyuk being part of it. No one else did.
Which means he's the main piece in this case, not Sergachev.

Go have a look at what 1Cs have fetched. Come back to me if they got more than; a young first liner/potential 1C + 8th ov. potential 1D prospect + 1st.

Sakic wanted Sergachev + Chucky + 1st for Duchene. Sportsnet reported it.

 

[G0bias]

Sakic wanted Sergachev + Chucky + 1st for Duchene. Sportsnet reported it.

Sakic is also getting laughed at by every other GM. Colorado is the laughing stock of the league for a reason.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Sakic wanted Sergachev + Chucky + 1st for Duchene. Sportsnet reported it.

If and I say if Drouin is better than Duchene, so MB did a better deal giving only Sergachev and keeping Galchenyuk and the 1st.
And Drouin is younger. I think Duchene had slow down in the last years. He may have injuries.

 

[Roadhouse]

Sakic is also getting laughed at by every other GM. Colorado is the laughing stock of the league for a reason.

It's a bit like a gambler at the casino who's desperately trying to recoup losses (ROR). Nordiques fans must be sad.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Bergevin isn't the best GM, but my God Sakic is just brutal. He needs to step down

 

[Belial]

I hope I'm wrong but you guys are vastly overrating Drouin. At 22 He is a one dimensional player and his offense has yet to manifest itself. When compared to other players from his draft year his results are comparable to Max Domi.

53 P in 73 GP? That's ~60 points pace.

 

[aresknights]

Sakic wanted Sergachev + Chucky + 1st for Duchene. Sportsnet reported it.

But some think Chucky n Sergachev get you Tavares lol. That would be done yesterday if possible.

417 makes far too much sense to be posting on this board. A bevy of great posts.

Leys try n stay realistic haters. I too, want more success from my lifelong fav team but but so e of this negative stuff is ridiculous.

 

[MSSLYNX]

Arizona drafted 3 young centers last 3 drafts before this one. They just added Stepan and Cousins. Maybe one of Keller, Strome or Dvorak could be had?

 

[smcgreg]

As I said in this thread, it depends if you consider Galchenyuk a #1-2 by next season. I think he can be at least a #2. Danault is a #2-3 and Plekanec is a 3 who may bounce back as a #2 in a contract year rather than being the #1B he was for many years.

I think we'll be surprisingly 'okay' at C under those conditions but far from contenders nonetheless.

How can you be "okay" if you're not contenders? What's "okay"? one and done? 2nd round? Who gives a crap about anything other than contending. I'm still PO'd MB didn't offer that year to get Rads. Not that he was the savior himself, but it leaves some flexibility to deal another forward in a deal to get a C and still have strongish wings. That horse has been beat enough, but "okay" isn't good enough and there aren't enough assets to get a C without creating other holes. Either Chuck or JD need to be that C or.. well, more mediocrity.