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[aresknights]

Arizona drafted 3 young centers last 3 drafts before this one. They just added Stepan and Cousins. Maybe one of Keller, Strome or Dvorak could be had?

Dvorak please . Ceiling #2 C, Floor #3C. Veey familiar with his game n work ethic.
Strome no thanks. Seen to many playoff games where he takes a back seat
Keller, I haven't seen live at all, or multi times like the other 2 so unknown to me.

 

[MSSLYNX]

Dvorak please . Ceiling #2 C, Floor #3C. Veey familiar with his game n work ethic.
Strome no thanks. Seen to many playoff games where he takes a back seat
Keller, I haven't seen live at all, or multi times like the other 2 so unknown to me.

Dvorak can be 1c judging by his numbers in London: 2 yrs 100 pts +.

Keller killed the NCAA last season with Boston U: 45 pts in 31 gp.

 

[aresknights]

Dvorak can be 1c judging by his numbers in London: 2 yrs 100 pts +.

Keller killed the NCAA last season with Boston U: 45 pts in 31 gp.

Big DVO fan. Having season tics in London Ive seen him 100+ times live. I just dont see him as a #1 in tbe show but definitely see him as a quality 200ft. responsible C that can be used in any situation.
Id take him in a heartbeat over Strome. Better big game player, can play any style, battled back from big injury, defensively more responsible, adapts to linemates, high IQ.....

 

[HankyZetts]

Big DVO fan. Having season tics in London Ive seen him 100+ times live. I just dont see him as a #1 in tbe show but definitely see him as a quality 200ft. responsible C that can be used in any situation.
Id take him in a heartbeat over Strome. Better big game player, can play any style, battled back from big injury, defensively more responsible, adapts to linemates, high IQ.....

Come on, Bergy!

 

[smcgreg]

Dvorak please . Ceiling #2 C, Floor #3C. Veey familiar with his game n work ethic.
Strome no thanks. Seen to many playoff games where he takes a back seat
Keller, I haven't seen live at all, or multi times like the other 2 so unknown to me.

Keller is very creative and has fantastic IQ. Fairly responsible coming out of NTDP, so, a complete player. Unfortunately, he's small, so, not ideal given we just got JD and Gally is small. Size isn't everything, but I think there needs to be some balance.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

How can you be "okay" if you're not contenders? What's "okay"? one and done? 2nd round? Who gives a crap about anything other than contending. I'm still PO'd MB didn't offer that year to get Rads. Not that he was the savior himself, but it leaves some flexibility to deal another forward in a deal to get a C and still have strongish wings. That horse has been beat enough, but "okay" isn't good enough and there aren't enough assets to get a C without creating other holes. Either Chuck or JD need to be that C or.. well, more mediocrity.

There's a reason why I put okay as 'okay'.

MB did offer that year to Rads wayyyy before Dallas did and it wasn't enough for him to sign until Dallas did it.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Keller is very creative and has fantastic IQ. Fairly responsible coming out of NTDP, so, a complete player. Unfortunately, he's small, so, not ideal given we just got JD and Gally is small. Size isn't everything, but I think there needs to be some balance.

Keller could be the top prospect in hockey right now. He'd be amazing, I wanted him bad last year, but there is no way Arizona is giving him up.

 

[smcgreg]

There's a reason why I put okay as 'okay'.

MB did offer that year to Rads wayyyy before Dallas did and it wasn't enough for him to sign until Dallas did it.

Well, to me, "okay" is as good as "crap". So, not really "okay" to me. Although I love getting JD, it just seems like there are more holes this year than last. I guess we'll see when the season rolls around, but if last year was "okay", then not as good as last year and that likely means one and done, or worse.

Are you sure about that year or are you taking Marinaro's word for it? Honestly, given that MB's first offer (reportedly) was 3 and Rads was probably initially looking for 7, I always figured they would settle on 5. I don't think MB wanted him all that much. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, I think I've only seen Marinaro's reports about 5 years and I don't believe him. He may be telling the truth as he knows it, but being fed false info. OR,... maybe he was offered 5 years, but it came with dog analogies and public ultimatums, so, he decided to go elsewhere. That's off topic though, so, I'll drop it.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Well, to me, "okay" is as good as "crap". So, not really "okay" to me. Although I love getting JD, it just seems like there are more holes this year than last. I guess we'll see when the season rolls around, but if last year was "okay", then not as good as last year and that likely means one and done, or worse.

Are you sure about that year or are you taking Marinaro's word for it? Honestly, given that MB's first offer (reportedly) was 3 and Rads was probably initially looking for 7, I always figured they would settle on 5. I don't think MB wanted him all that much. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, I think I've only seen Marinaro's reports about 5 years and I don't believe him. He may be telling the truth as he knows it, but being fed false info. OR,... maybe he was offered 5 years, but it came with dog analogies and public ultimatums, so, he decided to go elsewhere. That's off topic though, so, I'll drop it.

If we re-sign Markov we're a better team, if not the same to start the season.

Beaulieu, Pateryn, Emelin vs Schlemko, Benn, Alzner

Radulov vs Drouin.

Similar enough IMO. Not that status quo is a good thing.

I don't even look at marinaro to be honest.

 

[smcgreg]

If we re-sign Markov we're a better team, if not the same to start the season.

Beaulieu, Pateryn, Emelin vs Schlemko, Benn, Alzner

Radulov vs Drouin.

Similar enough IMO. Not that status quo is a good thing.

I don't even look at marinaro to be honest.

Yeah, but Markov isn't signed and seems to be taking a while. I guess if no other offers come his way, he'll probably be back. So, at that point, fewer holes.

RE: Rad, I hadn't followed Rad much after he was gone, so, had only seen the allusions to Marinaro. Point conceded. As I say, it probably wasn't terribly smart to act the way MB did. Or, maybe Rad just likes intolerable heat, concrete and rednecks....

 

[RealityBytes]

How does he confirm this? Are we to just take his word on it?

Then again, he also doesn't say if the offer was pulled after July 01st.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Yeah, but Markov isn't signed and seems to be taking a while. I guess if no other offers come his way, he'll probably be back. So, at that point, fewer holes.

RE: Rad, I hadn't followed Rad much after he was gone, so, had only seen the allusions to Marinaro. Point conceded. As I say, it probably wasn't terribly smart to act the way MB did. Or, maybe Rad just likes intolerable heat, concrete and rednecks....

The major concern was that I think we would've had 50 million or so tied up to less than 10 players a few years down the line which MB was worried about and I don't blame him

Thing is, we lost a good player and it doesn't help.

How does he confirm this? Are we to just take his word on it?

Then again, he also doesn't say if the offer was pulled after July 01st.

For what it's worth John Lu said habs offered at least 4 years if I recall correctly.

Arpon Basu isn't a bad source for habs stuff.

The press conference was after July 1st and MB said offer was still on the table for Markov and Radulov. By saying it was the non-negotiable offer MB had it seems it was on the table at the press conference which was after July 1st.

Another reporter(I forget who) says it was pulled to 4 years.

 

[BaseballCoach]

For what it's worth John Lu said habs offered at least 4 years if I recall correctly.

Arpon Basu isn't a bad source for habs stuff.

The press conference was after July 1st and MB said offer was still on the table for Markov and Radulov. By saying it was the non-negotiable offer MB had it seems it was on the table at the press conference which was after July 1st.

Another reporter(I forget who) says it was pulled to 4 years.

Based on Bergevin's super-arrogant attitude on July 2nd, I'm strongly inclined to believe that he reduced his offers post-July 1 compared to prior offers.

This is why the players did not sign here. Bergevin either did not really want them that much, or he gambled and lost, on at least Radulov.

I personally would not have done that unless I had a plan B to spring that would land us scoring and use the cap space we still have. And if Hemsky was the Plan B, it is highly risky.

 

[jaffy27]

How does he confirm this? Are we to just take his word on it?

Then again, he also doesn't say if the offer was pulled after July 01st.

just because it doesn't fit your agenda doesn't mean it isn't true. That was the offer and he said no thanks......end of story

Im sure if he was confirming that Bergevin hated Subban on a personal level, you'd be running with that tweet and spreading the word with no after thought of the credibility of the tweet

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Based on Bergevin's super-arrogant attitude on July 2nd, I'm strongly inclined to believe that he reduced his offers post-July 1 compared to prior offers.

This is why the players did not sign here. Bergevin either did not really want them that much, or he gambled and lost, on at least Radulov.

I personally would not have done that unless I had a plan B to spring that would land us scoring and use the cap space we still have. And if Hemsky was the Plan B, it is highly risky.

Well that's not what Arpon says although another person did say it so I'm not sure. The person who says they were reduced does say Habs then went back to 5 years but despite the fact it was our original offer Radulov didn't seem to offer us a chance to match.

I think the biggest concern is at 6.25 million the habs would've had 55 million committed to 10 players in the 2019 off-season with Pacioretty, Benn, Montoya, Byron needed to be re-signed or lost. This does not count the obvious contract upgrades Danault and Lehkonen would get either. Davidson would be need to be re-signed/replaced as well.

I would've signed him and traded someone like Gallagher instead but I guess it wasn't in the cards.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Well that's not what Arpon says although another person did say it so I'm not sure. The person who says they were reduced does say Habs then went back to 5 years but despite the fact it was our original offer Radulov didn't seem to offer us a chance to match.

I think the biggest concern is at 6.25 million the habs would've had 55 million committed to 10 players in the 2019 off-season with Pacioretty, Benn, Montoya, Byron needed to be re-signed or lost. This does not count the obvious contract upgrades Danault and Lehkonen would get either. Davidson would be need to be re-signed/replaced as well.

I would've signed him and traded someone like Gallagher instead but I guess it wasn't in the cards.

Sometimes it's not about the terms of the deal but the rapport with the person you are negotiating with. From afar, and I realize I am speculating a bit, it seems that the 2016 Bergevin charmed Radulov and the player went for Montreal over a competing offer that might have been better. Again, from where I sit, it seems that the 2017 Bergevin was a wisecracking hardass who didn't seem as welcoming to Alex, whereas maybe the Stars GM was the charmer and the one who seemed to reach out and welcome the player.

In my work experience, I've often seen people accept a job offer from a company with whom they feel a strong affinity after the interview process, and not always from the company with the best monetary offer.

Bottom line, I would have signed Radulov even at a slight "overpayment", but Bergevin didn't seem to want to. Fine, he's the GM. So now it's on him to come up with a BETTER result.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Sometimes it's not about the terms of the deal but the rapport with the person you are negotiating with. From afar, and I realize I am speculating a bit, it seems that the 2016 Bergevin charmed Radulov and the player went for Montreal over a competing offer that might have been better. Again, from where I sit, it seems that the 2017 Bergevin was a wisecracking hardass who didn't seem as welcoming to Alex, whereas maybe the Stars GM was the charmer and the one who seemed to reach out and welcome the player.

In my work experience, I've often seen people accept a job offer from a company with whom they feel a strong affinity after the interview process, and not always from the company with the best monetary offer.

Bottom line, I would have signed Radulov even at a slight "overpayment", but Bergevin didn't seem to want to. Fine, he's the GM. So now it's on him to come up with a BETTER result.

Radulov played 1 full year in Montreal, there was no need for Bergevin to "charm" him... Radulov knows what to expect in playing in Montreal. He decided to go to dallas because he would get more money...

 

[get25]

I keep seeing RNH.
The one that had 56 points and 24 goals while being top-3 and playing with Hall and al?

The one that had 43 points with 4.5 times more PP TOI/GP than Danault.
He has a lot less EVP than Danault and cost 6M.
He had zero (like 0) points in first round in PO and 4 points in second round: 1 EVP and 3 PPP.

What can I say: Danault at 950K or RNH at 6M?

Who is the worst deal among RNH, Drouin, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk and Gallagher?
All of them are paid less and all of them except Drouin had seasons with better pace than the best RNH ever did.

Maybe one day, RNH will score 25 goals and 60 points.
Most likely not.
In 2013-14, Hall had 80 points and RNH had 56.

• In 2012-13, he was behind Hall, Gagner, Eberle and Yakupov in P/GP (yes Yakupov the one who signed for 875K for one year in Colorado who gave two years at 1.4M to Andrighetto).
• In 2013-14, he was behind Hall, Eberle and Perron in P/GP.
• In 2014-15, he was behind Eberle and a bit in front of Hall (who was injured that year).
• In 2015-16, he was 7th in P/GP: enough said.
• In 2016-17, he was 5th in P/GP at par with Maroon who was 6th.

RNH would be behind Pacioretty, Gallagher, Drouin and Galchenyuk but would be paid more.

Galchenyuk or RNH: let me thing again - We don't need RNH.

 

[Corky]

I keep seeing RNH.
The one that had 56 points and 24 goals while being top-3 and playing with Hall and al?

The one that had 43 points with 4.5 times more PP TOI/GP than Danault.
He has a lot less EVP than Danault and cost 6M.
He had zero (like 0) points in first round in PO and 4 points in second round: 1 EVP and 3 PPP.

What can I say: Danault at 950K or RNH at 6M?

Who is the worst deal among RNH, Drouin, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk and Gallagher?
All of them are paid less and all of them except Drouin had seasons with better pace than the best RNH ever did.

Maybe one day, RNH will score 25 goals and 60 points.
Most likely not.
In 2013-14, Hall had 80 points and RNH had 56.

• In 2012-13, he was behind Hall, Gagner, Eberle and Yakupov in P/GP (yes Yakupov the one who signed for 875K for one year in Colorado who gave two years at 1.4M to Andrighetto).
• In 2013-14, he was behind Hall, Eberle and Perron in P/GP.
• In 2014-15, he was behind Eberle and a bit in front of Hall (who was injured that year).
• In 2015-16, he was 7th in P/GP: enough said.
• In 2016-17, he was 5th in P/GP at par with Maroon who was 6th.

RNH would be behind Pacioretty, Gallagher, Drouin and Galchenyuk but would be paid more.

Galchenyuk or RNH: let me thing again - We don't need RNH.

This, this and this. RHN is a good number 2 C paid like a number one C because of his draft rank. I would rather take my chances with Chucky TBH.

 

[Habs Icing]

If we re-sign Markov we're a better team, if not the same to start the season.

Beaulieu, Pateryn, Emelin vs Schlemko, Benn, Alzner

Radulov vs Drouin.

Similar enough IMO. Not that status quo is a good thing.

I don't even look at marinaro to be honest.

So instead of exiting in 6 games we lose the 1st round in 7? Or do we make it to the second round?

This team is extremely unbalanced. We're good at wing and defense (maybe) and just as we're elite in goals we're the complete opposite at center.

I love Danualt but playing him out of his depth is not a winning strategy. The same with Pleks. Those are both 3rd line centers. Not 2ish but hard core 3rd line centers.

Yeah, we probably can win our division again but we'll be out of the playoffs faster than you can say MB has no vision.

So that fits your "okay" description. With MB starting his 6th season I was hoping for a contender, not an "okay" team.

For the whole duration of MB's tenure I defended him. The detractors made the claim he has no vision. I've come around to seeing they have a very valid point with one caveat. He might have some vision - everybody can see that the Habs need two top six centers even MB - but I think he gets distracted by shiny toys and Drouin is the new shiny toy.

Unless they convert him into a good center, Drouin doesn't meet any of our needs. But he is a local boy, fluently bilingual and looks sexy dangling the puck. Almost as sexy as Lafleur. That translates to mega bums in mega seats. So that's why I say this was a PR move not a hockey move. And Lafleur played with a Mahovolich and/or Lemaire. Who will Drouin have?

 

[Adam Michaels]

How does he confirm this? Are we to just take his word on it?

Then again, he also doesn't say if the offer was pulled after July 01st.

I don't know why so many believe the "offer was pulled on July 1st" so easily. That makes absolutely zero sense. Yet many choose not to believe Basu, Engels, and JF Chaumont, who all 3 had the same report that the Habs final offer was always 5x6.25M the whole time (no pulling off table).

 

[ColinO]

I don't know why so many believe the "offer was pulled on July 1st" so easily. That makes absolutely zero sense. Yet many choose not to believe Basu, Engels, and JF Chaumont, who all 3 had the same report that the Habs final offer was always 5x6.25M the whole time (no pulling off table).

People tend to believe facts that support their pre-existing opinions, rather than analysing facts in order to come to conclusions.

 

[417]

So instead of exiting in 6 games we lose the 1st round in 7? Or do we make it to the second round?

This team is extremely unbalanced. We're good at wing and defense (maybe) and just as we're elite in goals we're the complete opposite at center.

I love Danualt but playing him out of his depth is not a winning strategy. The same with Pleks. Those are both 3rd line centers. Not 2ish but hard core 3rd line centers.

Yeah, we probably can win our division again but we'll be out of the playoffs faster than you can say MB has no vision.

So that fits your "okay" description. With MB starting his 6th season I was hoping for a contender, not an "okay" team.

For the whole duration of MB's tenure I defended him. The detractors made the claim he has no vision. I've come around to seeing they have a very valid point with one caveat. He might have some vision - everybody can see that the Habs need two top six centers even MB - but I think he gets distracted by shiny toys and Drouin is the new shiny toy.

Unless they convert him into a good center, Drouin doesn't meet any of our needs. But he is a local boy, fluently bilingual and looks sexy dangling the puck. Almost as sexy as Lafleur. That translates to mega bums in mega seats. So that's why I say this was a PR move not a hockey move. And Lafleur played with a Mahovolich and/or Lemaire. Who will Drouin have?

When you say things like

"Drouin doesn't meet any of our needs"

And

"This was a PR trade"

It's hard to take anything you say seriously.

Doesn't meet our needs?

So this team doesn't need MORE offense? More skill? More speed and creativity up front?

Come on...you've really been brainwashed.

You don't have to like Bergevin, to like this trade. The lengths to which some have stoopped to try to diminish this trade is downright embarassing

 

[Price is Wright]

Radulov played 1 full year in Montreal, there was no need for Bergevin to "charm" him... Radulov knows what to expect in playing in Montreal. He decided to go to dallas because he would get more money...

Poor Montreal Canadiens. Just can't compete with the big hockey markets like Dallas.

 

[417]

Poor Montreal Canadiens. Just can't compete with the big hockey markets like Dallas.

Radulov CHOSE Dallas...

Let it go