Confirmed with Link: [MTL/TB] Sergachev/Drouin II
- Thread starter Dr0k
- Start date
-
Work is still on-going to rebuild the site styling and features. Please report any issues you may experience so we can look into it. Click Here for Updates
- Status
I was so shocked at the ludicrous analogy with Martin Jones that I forgot there were other parts of your post actually worth answering..
It's not a narrative that he can still get a center, i'm not making this up, it's reality...this has nothing to do with how much time we're going to give him, we're not in charge of determining when his time is up, if he's on the job for another 5yrs, it's HIS job to make it happen.
So again, not quite sure what your point is here? Because he hasn't been able to fix the issue at center, I should just throw my hands up and pollute this board on a daily basis with doom and gloom?
No, i'm going to hope for the best because i'm a fan of this team and regardless of who is GM, I want what's best for the team.
more nonsense...we ALL agreed this team needed more help in the TOP 6.
Jonathan Drouin is unquestionably a TOP 6 player and on this team, he's actually a top 3 player period.
Would the preference have been to that addition being a center? Of course, who doesn't think that...but Drouin still checks off many boxes because he's not just another winger.
He's already arguably our BEST winger.
No, it doesn't...
And until you actually elaborate on how you'd get a #1C by trading Sergachev and 2 ++'s that no one has a damn clue what they represent.
Neither does your scenario make us contenders.
So what's your point?
What is the point of this exercise?
Am I Geoff Molson? Why do you need to ask me how long i'm willing to wait?
It's completely irrelevant...the time for him to have addressed our issues down the middle is WAY PAST DUE.
But again, what does this have to do with anything? I don't control his destiny...up to him to make the moves.
I want to know what you would get of me giving you a timeline here?
You guys act like he traded Sergachev for some run of the mill, past his prime winger who is gonna be gone from this team in 2yrs.
Gimme a break...he added a 22yr old core player, a player who is already a top 3 forward on this team and he hasn't even put his jersey on.
It doesn't matter if he's a center or a winger right now, we needed a TALENT UPGRADE in the top 6, that's what we got.
Now the GM has a ton of cash and a huge need down the middle...again, up to him to fix it.
But presenting it like the absolutely ONLY way he could address our center weakness, was by trading Sergachev is absolutely ridiculous, I can't believe you let guys like KrissE brainwash you into believing that crap.
Mikhail Sergachev may have been our best prospect, but he's not our only asset...and saying he could of been used as the major component in a trade for a #1C is a freaking joke.
Don't drink the KrissAid
The Gomez trade allowed the Rangers to sign Gaborik in free agency, or is this a seperate entity?
At the end of the day it doesn't ****ing matter, your judged on how you manage the hockey team. And you cannot sit there with a straight face and argue to us that the Habs are better off with Radulov and with Drouin.
He gave away our best asset to replace Radulov, that's the end result, it doesn't matter if they were seperate moved AT THE TIME. He simply didn't try hard enough or bend the extra require to keep Radulov... which would have drastically improved our hockey club. Now we are stuck with a team that is probably not any better and just lost its best prospect.
All the experts agree with this notion, it's only Bergevin fanatics arguing it now. Your wrong.
I'm more curious to know, genuinely, from those who think we could have gotten a #1C for Mikhail Sergachev and what else exactly?
Galchenyuk and a 1st?
For Matt Duchene? Leon Draisaitl? Sasha Barkov?
Who is this mysterious #1C who the Habs could of snagged for Mikhail Sergachev and some unknowns.
Hell...who are the unknowns??
I keep seeing "++" is he a player in our organization?
I agree with you but this is the hand were dealt now so we move on, adjust and try to solve the issues albeit with less assets to throw around.
Depends on your definition of a #1C. Like Duchene, Johansen, RNH types or like actual Tavares, Stamkos, Malkin types.
If the former then yeah, Drouin, Gallagher, Lehkonen, Danault, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, etc... are all possibilities to dangle for the right player.
RNH and those types won't cripple the team but depending on the GM, timing and competitiveness of the organization some will be cheaper than others. Sakic wants full price for Duchene, does Edmonton want full premium for RNH? I don't know.
We can't afford an actual franchise C. A #1 or legit top 6 C? We can but it depends what team is looking for. Colorado is asking for a top D++ so we don't have that, never did.
It's just completely irrelevant
Yes I absolutely can...because I think Drouin is a better player, and will be, compared to Radulov.
Yes absolutely the Habs are better off with Drouin than with Radulov.
Though again, I fail to see how they're connected.
He gave away our best PROSPECT (not asset, we have better assets than an unproven PROSPECT) to ADD Jonathan Drouin.
A 22yr old top 6 forward who is already a core player and will be for the next decade.
I completely disagree that had he managed to sign Radulov, he would of 'drastically' improved our hockey club.
We STILL wouldn't be contenders even WITH Radulov, we'd just have more money dedicated on the wings when the real need is down the middle.
[MOD]
Last edited by a moderator:
Do you seriously believe the Habs could have gotten one of those guys with Mikhail Sergachev as the main piece going back?
You can't seriously believe that...I know you don't.
No one can.
Now if we can agree on that...would you have preferred if Bergevin trading Sergachev ++ for one of the lower tier C's you mention?
Sergachev ++ (still waiting to find out what that is btw)
for
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or Ryan Johansen or Duchene
Yeah...we'd be so much further ahead than we are today
I haven't advanced ONCE what it could potentially cost the Habs to get a #1C...
I just know that it's ridiculous to think Sergachev would be the main component in a trade to get one.
I have no problem answering it...it's going to be pointless, but sure, i'll play along.
Firstly...I don't think the Habs are going to acquire a true #1C and by "true" #1C i'm talking about the Tavares, Malkin, Draisaitl type of C's.
I thin the Habs, in order to shore up their center line, are going to have to target guys who are more like #2C's.
I don't think the cost is as prohibitive, it's up to the GM to find that trade...
Look at what the Devils did last week, got Marcus Johansson for a couple of draft picks, that's the type of trade the Habs are going to have to do.
Something I criticized Bergevin, soundly, for NOT doing.
Well, to be fair 417 I did say we wouldn't get them.
I said "If the former" as in the non-franchise Cs.
As for the second portion. A) too rich, B) not worth it.
Let's be honest. Drouin is similar in value/talent to a Duchene right? Young player with many good years left for sure.
Duchene has 2 years until UFA coming off bad season, Sakic wanted Sergachev++
Drouin is signed for 6 seasons until UFA, we got him for Sergachev alone.
The drouin trade was good value IMO and unfortunately the market for Cs isn't great.
Maybe a RNH can be had for cheaper given he's been regulated to 2-3 C duty last year.
But again, same issue. Sergachev or whoever may have been a piece but what's the + or ++? I'm willing to pay a reasonable + but not a ++.
At this point, I don't know what Edmonton wants anyway but it would now be our wingers on the go. Someone like Gallagher perhaps and no I would've feel comfortable with a Gallagher++ just the same.
Andrei79
Registered User
- Jan 25, 2013
- 17,188
- 32,881
I don't think you'd need THAT much to pry RNH from Chiarelli on that subject. He'll likely be a salary dump at sone point, and one I hope MB pounces on. Trading Sergachev for him would've been aweful though, Drouin has much higher upside if he ever fulfills it.
As an MB critic, 417's making the most sense here.
As an MB critic, 417's making the most sense here.
417, you seem to have forgotten that the ++ on this board has been eternally fixed as Ryder and a 2nd
When Drouin was going through his troubles with the Lightning, some here argued (and you know who you are) that Bergevin didn't have the stomach to trade for a guy like Drouin, he'd never pay the premium required.
That was what? 14-15 months ago?
Today...after he does trade for him, those same people are lamenting the fact he DID pay a premium?
Never change Habs section of HF...never change
That was what? 14-15 months ago?
Today...after he does trade for him, those same people are lamenting the fact he DID pay a premium?
Never change Habs section of HF...never change
I mean sure we can target average Cs like say RNH. Even then, with nothing of value in our pipeline we're looking at a roster player like Lehkonen or Gallagher going the other way as many have mentioned.
So a minor upgrade on Galchenyuk, at the cost of Gallagher/Lehkonen.
Which brings me to ask. Are we improved or are we not just shuffling deck chairs again?
Last edited:
Agreed. You always need to look at the big picture, but if a deal looks real good in a vaccum, you go for it.
If Stan Bowman calls and offers you Kane for Weber... you say yes, even if it doesn't make an ounce of sense position wise.
Habs Icing
Formerly Onice
It's not KrissAid. He has a point.
You claim our top six needed help. We agree on that. But it wasn't on the wing we needed help. It was at center. Without radulov our wingers are:
Galchenyuk, Patches, Gallagher and Lehkonen. Those are excellent wingers.
Where our top six sucks is at center. It isn't average and it isn't bad. It's terrible! The #1 and #2 spots are two gaping holes. So what does our genius GM do, he trades for another winger. That's why I brought up trading for Martin Jones and you agreed that was absolutely terrible. We already have a top goalie. It would be a waste of roster spot.
Another analogy. MB's roof is leaking but he reads in his Canadian Tire circular that there's a special on paint. So he buys the paint and remodels his place all the while his roof still leaks. That's what this guy has done with the center position.
1st round picks
2nd round picks
Gallagher, Paccioretty, Byron, Scherbak, Juulsen
Somewhere in there I believe we can package some assets for a top 2C
Catanddogguitarrr
Registered User
so basicly 15 months ago everybody was urging MB to get Drouin in a trade, people think we can trade Gallagher + some chip or Beaulieu, ignoring if Yserman would agree with these, maybe he doesn't want to hear anything abouit our players, thje deal could be possible only with Sergachev, who is the only good prospect Timmins got at 17 rank in the last 12 years or so ...
... so 15 months ago people wanted a trade Gallag or Galchen vs Drouin. Now we have Drouin and we keep Gallagher and Galchenyuk. At least MB did get Drouin, he made it possible, if we want to see the good side of it.
Radulov is a different story.
Habs Icing
Formerly Onice
I hope I'm wrong but you guys are vastly overrating Drouin. At 22 He is a one dimensional player and his offense has yet to manifest itself. When compared to other players from his draft year his results are comparable to Max Domi.
Personally I wanted Duchene+Galchenyuk+Danault/Plekanec as 3 depth.
It depends if you believe Galchenyuk will never be tried at C again or not. I think he will be and he'll be forced to adapt because we need him to.
So it's all added pieces, not replacement pieces IMO.
Again, it depends how you see CJ. I'm not fond of him but it would be astronomically stupid to not give it another fair shot.
I think people are overrated Sergachev IMO.
Drouin made 53 points in 73 games. Is it really crazy that he produces as much as Radulov(54 points)? He may easily hit 60+ in his prime years no?
That's legit top 6 forward. I'm okay with that.
Sergachev hasn't played much, isn't proven. May end up a top pair D or may end up a top 4, who knows.
At this point it's cheap because they are only 3 years apart and one actually showed signs of success at NHL level.
I do hope CJ will give him a decent shot. He has no reason not to. Which is partly the reason why I'm not fond of the idea of getting 2Cs at the cost of a Gallagher or Lehkonen. Its a sideways move at best.
- Status
