Confirmed with Link: [MTL/TB] Sergachev/Drouin II

[Leon Lucius Black]

You'd be surprised just how productive their D-men will be when 'just a sniper' Stamkos returns.

They weren't very productive with Stamkos before...

 

[Frank JT]

Hope Sergachev will be good enough to start the season and that the other D will have injuries at Tampa.

 

[Gainesvillain]

No chance Sergachev plays 40 games for Tampa next season, he's several years form being an NHL regular.

I don't understand posters who think he's too good for the OHL. Yes he was good at the Memorial Cup but his regular season was pretty meh and he outright sucked in the OHL playoff series against the Knights. At this point he's trending more towards being a #3 D in the NHL than a true #1 stud. He simply hasn't dominated in juniors the way you'd expect someone projected to be a future #1 to do. At least not yet. Another year in Windsor would be best for him, imo.

 

[Kojo]

No chance Sergachev plays 40 games for Tampa next season, he's several years form being an NHL regular.

I don't understand posters who think he's too good for the OHL. Yes he was good at the Memorial Cup but his regular season was pretty meh and he outright sucked in the OHL playoff series against the Knights. At this point he's trending more towards being a #3 D in the NHL than a true #1 stud. He simply hasn't dominated in juniors the way you'd expect someone projected to be a future #1 to do. At least not yet. Another year in Windsor would be best for him, imo.

He has the potential to become the Russian Ray Bourque. I doubt he's going to play less than 40 games.

 

[tazsub3]

He has the potential to become the Russian Ray Bourque. I doubt he's going to play less than 40 games.

Might as well induct the kid into the hall of fame and spare us all the wait, he will be the fastest inductee since no other then Alexandre daigle

 

[Kojo]

Might as well induct the kid into the hall of fame and spare us all the wait, he will be the fastest inductee since no other then Alexandre daigle

Bad comparison Daigle didn't even like to play hockey.

 

[Redux91]

Sergachev will play in the NHL, 0 doubt

but to think he is or would of been the savior on D for this franchise...is ridiculous...offensively..its there..no doubt about it...but if people really WATCHED him defensively...its..not pretty... hes going to get scored on A LOT in his lifetime without certain adjustments..

and quite frankly....id WAAAAAAAY more rather have Drouin ...it is what it is but drouin is a potential superstar...way more than sergachev EVER would have been...and ill take it any day of the week

 

[Toene]

I see Sergachev as a John Carlson type. Excellent skating, good puck-moving, good vision, used on the powerplay but wont be used in top match-ups. Likely a high end second pairing guy, low-end top pairing.

 

[SOLR]

There is no form of logic applied to the Sergachev situation apparently. I think that 2nd round pick might already be gone.

 

[PaulD]

Might as well induct the kid into the hall of fame and spare us all the wait, he will be the fastest inductee since no other then Alexandre daigle

Same ballot as Drouin or the one after?

 

[PaulD]

Sergachev will play in the NHL, 0 doubt

but to think he is or would of been the savior on D for this franchise...is ridiculous...offensively..its there..no doubt about it...but if people really WATCHED him defensively...its..not pretty... hes going to get scored on A LOT in his lifetime without certain adjustments..

and quite frankly....id WAAAAAAAY more rather have Drouin ...it is what it is but drouin is a potential superstar...way more than sergachev EVER would have been...and ill take it any day of the week

Agreed. But then again to think any player in this organization "will be the savior for this franchise" would be to laugh out loud.

 

[PaulD]

Just looking at Tampa's D at the moment and it looks like their top 4D is set with Hedman, Stralman, Coburn, Girardi. Then they have Sustr, and Koekkoek.

Is Sergachev making the team and playing 40 games? Who's gets the capitals 2nd round pick?

Girardi looks done to me. Bottom pair guy at best.

 

[HabsFather]

We needed offence. We got it. We needed defence to clear bodies in front of Carey. I wonder which type of defencemen our goalie prefers play in front of him?

 

[Michelangelo]

Sergachev will play in the NHL, 0 doubt

but to think he is or would of been the savior on D for this franchise...is ridiculous...offensively..its there..no doubt about it...but if people really WATCHED him defensively...its..not pretty... hes going to get scored on A LOT in his lifetime without certain adjustments..

and quite frankly....id WAAAAAAAY more rather have Drouin ...it is what it is but drouin is a potential superstar...way more than sergachev EVER would have been...and ill take it any day of the week

Potential superstar?

Aren't we getting a little bit ahead of ourselves?

 

[DAChampion]

Potential superstar?

Aren't we getting a little bit ahead of ourselves?

Yes.

Superstars a term reserved for the top ten or so players: Crosby, Malkin, McDavid, Tavares, Toews, Matthews, Stamkos, Karlsson, Subban, Doughty, Hedman.

Drouin will, at best, be in the next group, one step down.

 

[Not The One]

Yes.

Superstars a term reserved for the top ten or so players: Crosby, Malkin, McDavid, Tavares, Toews, Matthews, Stamkos, Karlsson, Subban, Doughty, Hedman.

Drouin will, at best, be in the next group, one step down.

Which is a terrific deal for a first round pick with a lot of potential but also with glaring flaws in his play.

If Serge doesn't pan out Tampa gets absolutely fleeced in this deal. Unless Drouin tears both his ACLs in his first game I don't see how the Habs could loose this trade.

 

[Lebowski]

I see Sergachev as a John Carlson type. Excellent skating, good puck-moving, good vision, used on the powerplay but wont be used in top match-ups. Likely a high end second pairing guy, low-end top pairing.

John Carlson is probably a top 20 Dman in the league... He's more of a #1 than he is a high-end second pairing guy.

 

[Toene]

John Carlson is probably a top 20 Dman in the league... He's more of a #1 than he is a high-end second pairing guy.

Show me your list, Im curious. He isnt even the best defenseman on his own team.

 

[RealityBytes]

Which is a terrific deal for a first round pick with a lot of potential but also with glaring flaws in his play.

If Serge doesn't pan out Tampa gets absolutely fleeced in this deal. Unless Drouin tears both his ACLs in his first game I don't see how the Habs could loose this trade.

This deal was most likely initiated by Yzerman. He had too many players to protect for the Vegas draft and would have to lose one. It came down to him protecting forwards: Steven Stamkos, Nikita Kucherov, Ryan Callahan, Alex Killorn, Vladislav Namestnikov, Tyler Johnson and Ondrej Palat. Drouin was on the outside of the protection list (possibly because he was due for a salary contract raise).

He would have lost Drouin in the draft to Vegas. A last minute trade to Montreal got him Sergachev who didn't have to be protected. It worked in Montreal's favour since they had a forward spot left to protect Drouin.

It was a win-win for both teams. Tampa Bay wasn't fleeced, they got Sergachev instead of nothing.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Yes.

Superstars a term reserved for the top ten or so players: Crosby, Malkin, McDavid, Tavares, Toews, Matthews, Stamkos, Karlsson, Subban, Doughty, Hedman.

Drouin will, at best, be in the next group, one step down.

Including Subban in there was the cherry on top.

 

[DAChampion]

This deal was most likely initiated by Yzerman. He had too many players to protect for the Vegas draft and would have to lose one. It came down to him protecting forwards: Steven Stamkos, Nikita Kucherov, Ryan Callahan, Alex Killorn, Vladislav Namestnikov, Tyler Johnson and Ondrej Palat. Drouin was on the outside of the protection list (possibly because he was due for a salary contract raise).

He would have lost Drouin in the draft to Vegas. A list minute trade to Montreal got him Sergachev who didn't have to be protected. It worked in Montreal's favour since they had a forward spot left to protect Drouin.

It was a win-win for both teams. Tampa Bay wasn't fleeced, they got Sergachev instead of nothing.

Is Drouin actually less worth protecting than all seven of those guys?

 

[1909]

Is Drouin actually less worth protecting than all seven of those guys?

They had to protect Callahan. No choice.

 

[RealityBytes]

Is Drouin actually less worth protecting than all seven of those guys?

No, Drouin is probably better than some of all those other seven, but a good situation presented itself. There were several articles on this explaining Tampa Bay's sides, which included Yzerman's comments.

If MB had said no to the trade, Yzerman might have/most likely would have changed his list to include Drouin and expose a different player. That would leave him with losing a forward that he wanted to keep. As it is, he keeps all his other forwards, but gives up the one that is due for a big raise, and gains a potential top defenseman.

The reason it looks like Yzerman initiated this is because he knew MB really wanted Drouin, but only he knew what his Vegas protection list would be. MB wouldn't have known that.

Montreal gains a top forward they want for a prospect ... Tampa Bay doesn't lose a forward they want to the Vegas draft, pays less cap, and a gets a top prospect defenseman.

As I said, a win-win for both teams. Nobody got fleeced in this.

 

[Doc McKenna]

No, Drouin is probably better than some of all those other seven, but a good situation presented itself. There were several articles on this explaining Tampa Bay's sides, which included Yzerman's comments.

If MB had said no to the trade, Yzerman might have/most likely would have changed his list to include Drouin and expose a different player. That would leave him with losing a forward that he wanted to keep. As it is, he keeps all his other forwards, but gives up the one that is due for a big raise, and gains a potential top defenseman.

The reason it looks like Yzerman initiated this is because he knew MB really wanted Drouin, but only he knew what his Vegas protection list would be. MB wouldn't have known that.

Montreal gains a top forward they want for a prospect ... Tampa Bay doesn't lose a forward they want to the Vegas draft, pays less cap, and a gets a top prospect defenseman.

As I said, a win-win for both teams. Nobody got fleeced in this.

I would say the value to THEM for a player fitting their needs in the next few years was a smart move. They already had problems with Drouin and its well documented. They may have felt he wasn't worth the hassle. They may be wrong. Like Nate or possibly Chuckie, if your manager feels you're good but not really needed in the future, and you can fill a need you pull the trigger. The conditional 2nd is pretty nice add in as well. If I am Stevie Y i make sure he hits that 40 if at all possible. Good second rounder in this deep draft could be better than gally(who we drafted much later). We got a player we wanted, but they filled a need and got rid of a problem child. That is GOOD asset management. They just have to hope Serge pans out half as well for them as MacD did for Rangers.

So in terms we understand imagine trading Kost and we got Hedman and Gudas the year after. Most here would be very happy with that trade.

(i was looking at draft picks and we have a really really good record for making the most out of 5th rounders.)

 

[Pickles]

This deal was most likely initiated by Yzerman. He had too many players to protect for the Vegas draft and would have to lose one. It came down to him protecting forwards: Steven Stamkos, Nikita Kucherov, Ryan Callahan, Alex Killorn, Vladislav Namestnikov, Tyler Johnson and Ondrej Palat. Drouin was on the outside of the protection list (possibly because he was due for a salary contract raise).

He would have lost Drouin in the draft to Vegas. A last minute trade to Montreal got him Sergachev who didn't have to be protected. It worked in Montreal's favour since they had a forward spot left to protect Drouin.

It was a win-win for both teams. Tampa Bay wasn't fleeced, they got Sergachev instead of nothing.

Definitely. If there wasn't an expansion draft I highly doubt Yzerman would have traded Drouin. To his credit, Bergevin seized the opportunity and made the trade. I would have rather he got a center for Sergachev but you don't pass up an opportunity like acquiring Drouin.