Confirmed with Link: [MTL/TB] Sergachev/Drouin II

[BJCOLLINS]

Shaw is getting protected. That's not even up for debate...and rightfully so!

Well I read somewhere that there was an expansion draft? I haven't seen out protected list yet, maybe you have?

I do however, agree with you, our GM has invested quite a lot in salary, term & draft picks for Shaw, a 3rd line player.

I don't dislike Shaw but I obviously do feel we over paid to get him. And I would obviously be wary of protecting him especially so if more moves are made. BTW, I'm certain our GM will protect him given his belief in this 3rd liner.

 

[The Price is Right]

Great deal when you look at Ladd, Callahan and even Shaw...

 

[417]

It's not a bridge deal if you're not the one bridging him from the entry level.

I would have had him on a one year contract and negotiated starting in January for an extension based on the actual play for this team.

Emelin, extended before he came back from his knee injury.
Shawful given an even more Shawful contract before he played for the Habs.

Shawful looked like a decent player for the Hawks, well he sucks when not surrounded by one of the best cores in the league. Now it's a toxic contract that legitimately hamstrings this team. Even more so with Drouin signed.

and how does Andrew Shaw, compare to Jonathan Drouin, in any way shape or form?

So because Shaw was 'awful' this year...it means Drouin will as well?

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Well I read somewhere that there was an expansion draft? I haven't seen out protected list yet, maybe you have?

I do however, agree with you, our GM has invested quite a lot in salary, term & draft picks for Shaw, a 3rd line player.

I don't dislike Shaw but I obviously do feel we over paid to get him. And I would obviously be wary of protecting him especially so if more moves are made. BTW, I'm certain our GM will protect him given his belief in this 3rd liner.

Bergevin wouldn't have handed out a 6 year deal if he wasn't going to protect him. I have no clue what he was smoking to give out the 6 year deal, but I can assure you his line of thought certainly wasn't let's trade away a pair of 2nd rounders and hand out a 6 year deal only to risk losing him for nothing in the expansion draft.

 

[Mike Mike Caron]

I'm confident everyone complaining right now will be eating crow for years to come.

 

[Habsawce]

Team straight up needed skill. This player is all world skill, at 5.5; love it.

 

[417]

I'm confident everyone complaining right now will be eating crow for years to come.

They won't eat crow...just find more reasons to complain

bottomless pit

 

[Habs Icing]

Bergevin wouldn't have handed out a 6 year deal if he wasn't going to protect him. I have no clue what he was smoking to give out the 6 year deal, but I can assure you his line of thought certainly wasn't let's trade away a pair of 2nd rounders and hand out a 6 year deal only to risk losing him for nothing in the expansion draft.

If they protect Shaw then they leave Bryon unprotected. If he's picked up that's 20 goals you need to remove off the Drouin equation. I know we got him for nothing but he developed value since we picked him up.

 

[Jaynki]

The risk is all on Tampa Bay.

If Sergachev become the top pairing D he has the potential to be, then TB will have their account. It won't and will never be a bad trade for Montreal. People that are doubtful will be amazed by the skill of Drouin. I fairly think he can be an elite 1C, like top 5-10. This guy ooooooozes talent. We could have a strong debate to know who's better between him and MacKinnon. We acquired such an elite, young talent. Even tho Drouin is not a top 10C, he will simply be a top ten forward. That is how good he is. He is pure dominance with the puck on his stick. McKenzie said, during his draft year, that he had the potential to be the best player in the league. Let's put McDavid and Crosby aside, Drouin is right up there with the other elite young talents, Draisaitl, Eichel, MacKinnon, etc.

It sucks to give Sergachev but it was a can't miss opportunity. I don't care if Drouin is a LW, a C or a RW. He's an elite and wherever Drouin plays, he will carry our offense. He is that type a player. He is a franchise player.

I hope for TB that Sergachev don't bust, i hope for them he become the dman we all wanted to see here, cause they will bite their fingers for the next ten years. Like we did with McDonagh/Gomez, but worse cause it's safe to expect that Drouin will have a larger impact than McDonagh.

In my opinion, it has nothing to do with Radulov. If Radu can't accept a reasonable contract, we will use his 6M elsewhere.

Sergachev was the price to pay, and it sucks, cause to me he was an untouchables pieces with Weber and Price. (My 3 untouchables). But to get Drouin is perfectly justifiable and i would have been mad if we would have missed on such a great talent. And yes if his name was Jonathan Smith, that trade would still be ****ing awesome to us. Him being a local is just a bonus.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

If they protect Shaw then they leave Bryon unprotected. If he's picked up that's 20 goals you need to remove off the Drouin equation. I know we got him for nothing but he developed value since we picked him up.

I expect both to be protected honestly.

Pacioretty
Galchenyuk
Drouin
Gallagher
Shaw
Byron
Danault

 

[habaholic]

The risk is all on Tampa Bay.

If Sergachev become the top pairing D he has the potential to be, then TB will have their account. It won't and will never be a bad trade for Montreal. People that are doubtful will be amazed by the skill of Drouin. I fairly think he can be an elite 1C, like top 5-10. This guy ooooooozes talent. We could have a strong debate to know who's better between him and MacKinnon. We acquired such an elite, young talent. Even tho Drouin is not a top 10C, he will simply be a top ten forward. That is how good he is. He is pure dominance with the puck on his stick. McKenzie said, during his draft year, that he had the potential to be the best player in the league. Let's put McDavid and Crosby aside, Drouin is right up there with the other elite young talents, Draisaitl, Eichel, MacKinnon, etc.

It sucks to give Sergachev but it was a can't miss opportunity. I don't care if Drouin is a LW, a C or a RW. He's an elite and wherever Drouin plays, he will carry our offense. He is that type a player. He is a franchise player.

I hope for TB that Sergachev don't bust, i hope for them he become the dman we all wanted to see here, cause they will bite their fingers for the next ten years. Like we did with McDonagh/Gomez, but worse cause it's safe to expect that Drouin will have a larger impact than McDonagh.

In my opinion, it has nothing to do with Radulov. If Radu can't accept a reasonable contract, we will use his 6M elsewhere.

Sergachev was the price to pay, and it sucks, cause to me he was an untouchables pieces with Weber and Price. (My 3 untouchables). But to get Drouin is perfectly justifiable and i would have been mad if we would have missed on such a great talent. And yes if his name was Jonathan Smith, that trade would still be ****ing awesome to us. Him being a local is just a bonus.

Well said! Don't know about him being a top 10 forward, that's really high praise, but he's certainly top 10 talent, as in puck skills. He's got that Kane, Johnny Hockey type of game

 

[WeThreeKings]

and how does Andrew Shaw, compare to Jonathan Drouin, in any way shape or form?

So because Shaw was 'awful' this year...it means Drouin will as well?

If you don't see the risk with "francophone hero Drouin" and the immense pressure, and being signed to a long term deal before you know how he handles it. That's fine.

I see a risk and id be cautious since we were just burned last year on a lesser player.

 

[Belial]

If they protect Shaw then they leave Bryon unprotected. If he's picked up that's 20 goals you need to remove off the Drouin equation. I know we got him for nothing but he developed value since we picked him up.

Why are you worried about the expansion draft?

Max
Gally
Galchy
Drouin
Danault
Shaw
Byron

That's it that's all...

 

[MXD]

wha?

Translation : If Drouin doesn't score 95 pts next season, despite some (ridiculous) hopes to that effect, it isn't a problem.

I mean, if someone says "I expect Carey Price to end up with a 0.950 SV%; if he fails to do this, it will be evidence that he's hot garbage", that person has a serious issue with the concept of reasonable expectations. And Price doesn't fail if he doesn't reach 0.950 SV%.

 

[Habs Icing]

Why are you worried about the expansion draft?

Max
Gally
Galchy
Drouin
Danault
Shaw
Byron

That's it that's all...

My point is I want to wait and see what happens in the next couple of months before I decide how I feel aboutthis trade.

Although I think McGuire is a tool and was misinforming people yesterday (with his asinine : five year difference between Segachev and Drouin), he did make a good point. Drouin is a nice piece but he is not the key.

 

[Bieber fever]

Good trade but Jonathon is not a "superstar", "PPG winger" , "elite game breaker" ect...

Foward drafted top 5 usually dont take time to develop and reach their offense peak at 22-23 years old .Drouin is a 60-65 points PP specialist.

 

[Mario le Magnifique]

so do we have money for Radulov now?

Radu will have to accept same money / cap hit or move on. No way they open up their wallet more for a guy who produced less. And, Galchenyuk will have to accept same money / term, or less.

Very good signing that sets a low bar for 50ish points, 0.6 PPG players.

 

[Tyson]

Bergevin wouldn't have handed out a 6 year deal if he wasn't going to protect him. I have no clue what he was smoking to give out the 6 year deal, but I can assure you his line of thought certainly wasn't let's trade away a pair of 2nd rounders and hand out a 6 year deal only to risk losing him for nothing in the expansion draft.

Bergevin is too stupid to admit this mistake and thus will protect him.

 

[Mario le Magnifique]

Yeah it would be awful to not have Emelin and Shaw on terrible contracts, Subban signed long term at 3 million less than he took after the bridge deal.

It would have been awful to never trade McDonagh for Gomez, not dick around our 3rd overall pick and hace a legitimate development and coaching staff.

I'd be a disaster.

MB has made mistakes but this trade / signing only improves the team, on the long short to long term. Also, Julien is the best coach he could've hired.

 

[Tyson]

My point is I want to wait and see what happens in the next couple of months before I decide how I feel aboutthis trade.

Although I think McGuire is a tool and was misinforming people yesterday (with his asinine : five year difference between Segachev and Drouin), he did make a good point. Drouin is a nice piece but he is not the key.

I disagree, Drouin is a huge key. His upside has not remotely been reached. 80 point potential. Will put up much better numbers than Duchene or Mackinnon for that matter

 

[CauZuki]

Greatest superstar since DD!

 

[David Suzuki]

My point is I want to wait and see what happens in the next couple of months before I decide how I feel aboutthis trade.

Although I think McGuire is a tool and was misinforming people yesterday (with his asinine : five year difference between Segachev and Drouin), he did make a good point. Drouin is a nice piece but he is not the key.

Drouin to me has ptoential to be one of the most explsoive forwards in the league. When McGuire says he isn't key it's because the man who stole his job made the trade. He's just bitter at Bergy let it be. I like him a lot actually and find him entertaining, but he's obviously got some resentment to Bergevin.

 

[Paul Dipietro]

Hopefully they made the trade in small part because they're higher on Mete and Bourque than we think...

 

[Jaynki]

What about not protecting Shaw??

I understand that he is a tad overpaid and that we paid two high draft pick for him, but he is still a player and a competitor. He is part of the solution, not the problem.

Back on Drouin.

How can't we rejoice having such a talent on our team??

 

[Deebs]