Value of: Mtl needs a young goalie. Who and what value?

[Bleedred]

Montembeault has looked great so far.

 

[madmike77]

Vladar got a 3rd last year and he had a great year. You don’t trade him for just a second.

Wolf is off the table. He’s going to be a top 5-10 goalie. If Tre was an elite GM he would have moved on from Markstrom and likely gained an asset. Oh well

I agree Wolf is untouchable but I really can’t see Vladar getting a 1st. Teams know the Flames are likely moving on from him next year and while he was solid last year he wasn’t amazing.

I’m a Flames fan - just being realistic. Young goalies don’t return 1st rounders unless they’re a very high-end prospect.

 

[HabsQC]

Montembeault has looked great so far.

Great for the tank

 

[YP44]

Imagine LA will be moving Parik, although not sure his celling is any higher than Primeau's, Parik has skill and could be worth a flyer.

I agree Wolf is untouchable but I really can’t see Vladar getting a 1st. Teams know the Flames are likely moving on from him next year and while he was solid last year he wasn’t amazing.

I’m a Flames fan - just being realistic. Young goalies don’t return 1st rounders unless they’re a very high-end prospect.

agreed, and Wolf has been damn good every step of the way but way to early to label him a future top 10 goalie. My dynasty team hopes he is though.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Dobes just had a very good rookie year in the NCAA, would rather see how he does next couple of years and see if we really need to give up high end assets for a tender or not. We need a PMD more than anything else.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Ducks have gibson dostal clang …. But I assume gibson is too old, and ducks prob don’t want to move dostal or clang until they are defined

 

[zar]

Top 10 potential doesn't mean that potential is sure to be realized. Guys like Knight and Oettinger are likely to be top 10, but there are probably 20 to 40 guys in the 19 to 23 range who could be in the top 10 at some point. Some team will have one and not have the developmental icetime available, and will be open to trading.

Like who?

Provide some examples.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Dipietro would cost like a 6th or 7th rounder.

This is actually the most realistic scenario - I personally still like DiPietro’s potential .

 

[TGWL]

Top 10 potential doesn't mean that potential is sure to be realized. Guys like Knight and Oettinger are likely to be top 10, but there are probably 20 to 40 guys in the 19 to 23 range who could be in the top 10 at some point. Some team will have one and not have the developmental icetime available, and will be open to trading.

Like who? Who are the 20-40 guys who could be top 10 and better than what the Habs have to make it worth making a trade? Is there a chance one of those players becomes a top 10? Sure. Absolutely. But the question here is for a young, under 26 goalie, who is viewed as having top 10 potential.

 

[pth2]

BTW...are you pth from the other place?

Yup. Lost my old pth account here for some reason.

Like who? Who are the 20-40 guys who could be top 10 and better than what the Habs have to make it worth making a trade? Is there a chance one of those players becomes a top 10? Sure. Absolutely. But the question here is for a young, under 26 goalie, who is viewed as having top 10 potential.

Just read how every teams fans thinks its goalie prospect is a surefire top 10...

 

[HabsAddict]

Yup. Lost my old pth account here for some reason.


Just read how every teams fans thinks its goalie prospect is a surefire top 10...

I knew this place was getting smarter....

Everybody over-rates their own. You or I are probably the few that don't go with the flow and ask the rougher questions.

So far, if we didn't have a top 5 pick, I'd make an offer for oettinger...because I'm a nice guy.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

I agree Wolf is untouchable but I really can’t see Vladar getting a 1st. Teams know the Flames are likely moving on from him next year and while he was solid last year he wasn’t amazing.

I’m a Flames fan - just being realistic. Young goalies don’t return 1st rounders unless they’re a very high-end prospect.

Can’t get a first this season, but if he has another good season I think he should easily get a first. There is a serious shortage of good young goalies out there. Supply and demand says Vladar could be quite valuable imo

 

[Tuggy]

I think the Habs should just wait and see.

No rush right now.

They've got a handful of guys in the system who might pan out.

Goalies are so hard to predict.

 

[CapsFrontOffice]

You MIGHT be able to convince us to part with Samsonov for Allen(50% retained) and Calgary's 2025 1st rounder. It's tough to let him go, but we need the 1st rounder more.

I would advise you guys to keep Sammy, my bet is he will be your number 1 by the end of the season

 

[pth2]

I think the Habs should just wait and see.

No rush right now.

They've got a handful of guys in the system who might pan out.

Goalies are so hard to predict.

Well, you also only have so much developmental ice time... this should be Primeau's last AHL season. Who gets the AHL playing time after? I'm not sold on anyone in the Habs system.

 

[Haatley]

whats up with Wolf are flames fans interested in trading him since they have Markstrom he has good stats but i know hes also so skinny does he have a future in the NHL?

Nope

 

[Treb]

Price was one of the exceptions that was elite from minute one.

I'm looking for that "figures it out" goalie who is ypung enough to grow.

We got 3-4 year window to contend and that means someone 26 or younger. That gives us an early 30s goalie with a 5 year window.

Price spoiled us, but also hid the huge holes we had.

Moving on...

We have 3 ''figure it out'' goalies in the system.

Primeau, Dobes and Dichow.

I don't have much hope for Vrbetic, but Croteau could have a Dobes-like pathway.

We won't get better than that via trade without jeopardizing the rest of the building effort.

The best hope we have for this kind of goalie is a Samsonov situation or an Euro FA, but we're not going to get their interest before we start trending up, especially on D. I don't think any G in the world would be eager to play behind our next year D (unless the prospects all go Super Saiyan).

 

[Treb]

Well, you also only have so much developmental ice time... this should be Primeau's last AHL season. Who gets the AHL playing time after? I'm not sold on anyone in the Habs system.

Never heard of Dobes?

EDIT: Dichow is pretty interesting too. If Vrbetic wakes up, we can sign him to be the AHL backup if Dobes stays another year in the NCAA. If anything, we could be tight at the pro level if we end up signing all 3.

 

[pth2]

Never heard of Dobes?

EDIT: Dichow is pretty interesting too. If Vrbetic wakes up, we can sign him to be the AHL backup if Dobes stays another year in the NCAA. If anything, we could be tight at the pro level if we end up signing all 3.

I am simply unaware that any of them holds great potential. I'll be glad if I'm wrong.

 

[Legion34]

DONE!

Can I interest you in a slightly used Freddie the goat?

 

[Jack Spider]

Ba

 

[Miller Time]

We have 3 ''figure it out'' goalies in the system.

Primeau, Dobes and Dichow.

I don't have much hope for Vrbetic, but Croteau could have a Dobes-like pathway.

We won't get better than that via trade without jeopardizing the rest of the building effort.

The best hope we have for this kind of goalie is a Samsonov situation or an Euro FA, but we're not going to get their interest before we start trending up, especially on D. I don't think any G in the world would be eager to play behind our next year D (unless the prospects all go Super Saiyan).

This.

If none of those 3 make positive progress this year, then maybe HuGo start looking more aggressively... But for now there's no incentive to be looking to upgrade in net. Better potential/closer to NHL ready goalies that might be available would be too expensive.

Plus, some of the top goalie prospects that are near NHL ready have solid NHL vets ahead of them...

Wolf - Markstrom
Knight - Bobrovsky
Askarov - Saros
Tarasov - Merzlikins
Swayman - Ullmark
Skinner - Campbell

& Others I'm sure.

Over next 2-3 seasons, a few of those situations will, for cap or ego reasons, lead to quality starters (youth or vet) hitting the trade market, HuGo will figure it out if one of Primeau/Dobes/Dichow isn't on track to being a #1

 

[Fulham]

DiPietro from the Canucks. No games for 18 months(taxi squad/injuries) crushed him, he still has a high ceiling, and his acquisition cost would be a 4th or less.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Price is done. Thanks, i love you, but we need to move on.

We have Primeau but in my opinion, he's not top 10 NHL starter material.

So the thread question....What is available under 26 that is underated or stuck behind a top goalie? He needs to have top 10 "potential" or we stay with what we have.

As much as a late 1st is available, but it may get complicated! LOL

Thoughts?
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Just draft a goalie high in the first round next draft.

 

[pth2]

DiPietro from the Canucks. No games for 18 months(taxi squad/injuries) crushed him, he still has a high ceiling, and his acquisition cost would be a 4th or less.

He's the same age as Primeau though, so will need waivers at the same time, so that's a tough sell.
I'd want someone better to justify pushing Primeau aside, or younger who can develop a couple more years.