Confirmed Signing with Link: [MTL] D Logan Mailloux signs ELC with the Canadiens (3 years, $897.5k AAV)

[Pink Mist]

Still not a sex offender in either country, by law.

True, but brushing off his charge as simply "Offensive Photography and Defamation" is misleading on what that charge actual entails in Swedish law - its their revenge porn charge

 

[MXD]

He was fined $2000 CAD by that court of law. He's lucky he didn't do it Canada where its a criminal sexual assault offense.

- He'd be a youth offender
- His name wouldn't have been disclosed
- More importantly perhaps, this whole incident would've been hushed hushed and there wouldn't have been any kind of prosecution over it because, hey, he's a hockey player.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

What are the consequences for Mailloux in that scenario? Which was the crux of your argument.

His story isn't as widely publicized, he becomes a 3rd or later round pick in his draft year, or he doesn't get drafted, or he doesn't get signed at all after the draft and becomes a re-entry, then he gets signed to a league-minimum ELC instead of a near-Max. There are various ways his case turns into a "redemption" path instead of... well, basically identical to the best-case progression that would otherwise have happened just the same if he had made no mistake at all! He's still on exactly the same path he would have been if he had done nothing whatsoever. Aside from the PR attention. He has suffered nothing whatsoever in terms of income or career trajectory.

It's not even that relevant to Mailloux as an individual since he does seem to be suitably remorseful. But as a deterrant to future cases... it could be useful to tell the world that hey, if you mess up, there are at least some consequences to that, other than just people talking about you on internet message boards.

 

[jfhabs]

He was fined $2000 CAD by that court of law. He's lucky he didn't do it Canada where its a criminal sexual assault offense.

If it hapened in Canada, we would've never know about it.

True, but brushing off his charge as simply "Offensive Photography and Defamation" is misleading on what that charge actual entails in Swedish law - its their revenge porn charge

But it wasn't revenge porn either, that's atleast equally misleading. The guy tried to show off in a very immature way, not thinking about the impact for the girl. He didn't do it with the intention of destroying her reputation or get revenge for something.

 

[Captain97]

"Offensive photography" is a charge in Swedish law that they use almost exclusively for cases where people photograph sexual acts or nudity without consent.

If he was convicted with an equivalent charge in Canada, he would be a sex offender

Incorrect, since he was a minor we would have never known about it since we don't publicly disclose names of minors who commit crimes and also to be a sex offender he would have had to be 18 by Canadian laws.

 

[jfhabs]

His story isn't as widely publicized, he becomes a 3rd or later round pick in his draft year, or he doesn't get drafted, or he doesn't get signed at all after the draft and becomes a re-entry, then he gets signed to a league-minimum ELC instead of a near-Max. There are various ways his case turns into a "redemption" path instead of... well, basically identical to the best-case progression that would otherwise have happened just the same if he had made no mistake at all! He's still on exactly the same path he would have been if he had done nothing whatsoever. Aside from the PR attention. He has suffered nothing whatsoever in terms of income or career trajectory.

It's not even that relevant to Mailloux as an individual since he does seem to be suitably remorseful. But as a deterrant to future cases... it could be useful to tell the world that hey, if you mess up, there are at least some consequences to that, other than just people talking about you on internet message boards.

Perhaps it would be better to educate kids as oppose to scare them... If they understand why it's bad to do such things as oppose to avoid doing it because of the consequences?

 

[Pink Mist]

If it hapened in Canada, we would've never know about it.

But it wasn't revenge porn either, that's atleast equally misleading. The guy tried to show off in a very immature way, not thinking about the impact for the girl. He didn't do it with the intention of destroying her reputation or get revenge for something.

Actually he did do it with the intention of destroying her reputation. That's where the "defamation" part of the charge comes in and what he was found guilty of.

 

[MXD]

His story isn't as widely publicized, he becomes a 3rd or later round pick in his draft year, or he doesn't get drafted, or he doesn't get signed at all after the draft and becomes a re-entry, then he gets signed to a league-minimum ELC instead of a near-Max. There are various ways his case turns into a "redemption" path instead of... well, basically identical to the best-case progression that would otherwise have happened just the same if he had made no mistake at all! He's still on exactly the same path he would have been if he had done nothing whatsoever. Aside from the PR attention. He has suffered nothing whatsoever in terms of income or career trajectory.

It's not even that relevant to Mailloux as an individual since he does seem to be suitably remorseful. But as a deterrant to future cases... it could be useful to tell the world that hey, if you mess up, there are at least some consequences to that, other than just people talking about you on internet message boards.

Wide publicity isn't exactly a positive in his case, and frankly, his signing won't be a bigger story than his drafting (because more than a year passed) and him being re-drafted would be a story too.

Montreal really, really shouldn't have drafted him. Don't get me wrong on that.

 

[Pink Mist]

Incorrect, since he was a minor we would have never known about it since we don't publicly disclose names of minors who commit crimes and also to be a sex offender he would have had to be 18 by Canadian laws.

A sex offender is someone who has committed a sex crime. That can be anyone over the age of 14 in Canada. You're right he wouldn't be on a sex offender registry because he was under 18 at the age of his crime

 

[Rubi]

- He'd be a youth offender
- His name wouldn't have been disclosed
- More importantly perhaps, this whole incident would've been hushed hushed and there wouldn't have been any kind of prosecution over it because, hey, he's a hockey player.

True but that doesn't make it right or acceptable. Mailloux was 17 soon to be 18 and at that age you know the difference between right and wrong and how a young woman should be treated. I'm not saying he should pay for his mistake for the rest of his life but drafting him in the first round and then signing him to a $2,775,000 NHL contract a year later definitely sends the wrong message. NHL teams should strive to be better than that. They and their players are held in high esteem by millions of youngsters throughout North America and Europe.

 

[Rob Sense]

Why would I have to lay out the road to that? The burden is on him. Has the victim acknowledged he has actually given an effective apology and atonement? Last I saw she received a meager text message and did not feel he has earned her acceptance.

In the meantime he’s faced no real consequence— he’s drafted and he still gets his money after playing 12 games. That’s privilege.

He faced the consequences in Sweden. He was suspended by the OHL. He was not allowed to participate in last year's training camp...what other consequences would you bring down on this person (a minor at the time) to punish him further??? Put it in the context of others playing in the NHL who did worse and got nothing!

 

[Captain97]

A sex offender is someone who has committed a sex crime. That can be anyone over the age of 14 in Canada. You're right he wouldn't be on a sex offender registry because he was under 18 at the age of his crime

That's incorrect it's anyone convicted of a sexual assault related offence. He distributed an innapriaye photo of someone who is legally and adult without consent.

Scummy thing to do, yes. is it sexual assault, no.

 

[Paper]

Hockey Quebec suspends registration fees because they don't want money going to sex criminals and the Habs are just like "we'll cut out the middle man" lol.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Good signing love the pick dude has great tools looking forward to see how he develops.

I suppose the people shitting on him and their loved ones have never made a mistake in their lives.
I mean everybody on the internet is a saint right

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Wide publicity isn't exactly a positive in his case, and frankly, his signing won't be a bigger story than his drafting (because more than a year passed) and him being re-drafted would be a story too.

Montreal really, really shouldn't have drafted him. Don't get me wrong on that.

That's what I meant. I meant that there are pros and cons. They shouldn't have drafted him, that was pretty much inexcusable at the time, even just considering his own request and the alternative available talent. At least everybody agrees on that. But signing him now As If That Was The Right Decision... is just kinda perpetuating that mistake? They just signed him to the same deal he would have gotten if he was legitimately The Right Pick at the end of the NHL 1st round. How does that acknowledge in any way that any mistake was made?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

The page has been officially turned on this. Logan gets a lifeline from Habs new management and a short rope. Logan paid a price with the OHL suspension and the programs he had to attend. Albeit not a steep price.

Hockey Canada will need to levy suspensions to the offenders in the current scandal in quick order and turn the page on that debacle.

 

[Captain97]

Can we include a mod warning in the OP containing all the correct info of what Mailloux did and start thread banning people who are misrepresenting it?

I've seen he was over 18 he wasn't, the girl was under 18 she wasn't, he committed sexual assault he didn't. This is getting absurd.

 

[Romang67]

He faced the consequences in Sweden. He was suspended by the OHL. He was not allowed to participate in last year's training camp...what other consequences would you bring down on this person (a minor at the time) to punish him further??? Put it in the context of others playing in the NHL who did worse and got nothing!

That's probably not what you want to do. That's why Watson in the NFL is currently serving a suspension of less than 2 quarters per masseuse he victimized.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Can we include a mod warning in the OP containing all the correct info of what Mailloux did and start thread banning people who are misrepresenting it?

I've seen he was over 18 he wasn't, the girl was under 18 she wasn't, he committed sexual assault he didn't. This is getting absurd.

People are calling him out like he's a rapist its pretty damning. Not a fan of what he did but the % of young men who do this is probably high. Sex pics are at a all time high and kids start sending them younger and younger its gross but its a reality of our society. I don't think the guys life should be ruined.

If he assaulted/sexually assaulted somebody I would totally be onboard with the witch hunt its just a different type of situation

 

[Jared Dunn]

He faced the consequences in Sweden. He was suspended by the OHL. He was not allowed to participate in last year's training camp...what other consequences would you bring down on this person (a minor at the time) to punish him further??? Put it in the context of others playing in the NHL who did worse and got nothing!

This is not the right context to put it in, the NHL is a swamp that should strive for better and never will if we keep saying "could be worse".

 

[jfhabs]

Actually he did do it with the intention of destroying her reputation. That's where the "defamation" part of the charge comes in and what he was found guilty of.

I don't think I've seen any information saying there was : " intention of destroying her reputation"
If you have that information, please share it.

It was more in line with : intention to disrespect a person

From what you're saying, it should've been labelled aggravated defamation.

Sweden | Defamation Laws

legaldb.freemedia.at

 

[MXD]

NHL teams should strive to be better than that. They and their players are held in high esteem by millions of youngsters throughout North America and Europe.

... Many of whom also did the same thing as Mailloux. But no one knows.

 

[Rubi]

Just for clarification purposes.

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Publication, etc., of an intimate image without consent

• 162.1 (1) Everyone who knowingly publishes, distributes, transmits, sells, makes available or advertises an intimate image of a person knowing that the person depicted in the image did not give their consent to that conduct, or being reckless as to whether or not that person gave their consent to that conduct, is guilty
  
  • (a) of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years; or
  • (b) of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
• Definition of intimate image
  (2) In this section, intimate image means a visual recording of a person made by any means including a photographic, film or video recording,
  • (a) in which the person is nude, is exposing his or her genital organs or anal region or her breasts or is engaged in explicit sexual activity;
  • (b) in respect of which, at the time of the recording, there were circumstances that gave rise to a reasonable expectation of privacy; and
  • (c) in respect of which the person depicted retains a reasonable expectation of privacy at the time the offence is committed.

 

[MXD]

That's probably not what you want to do. That's why Watson in the NFL is currently serving a suspension of less than 2 quarters per masseuse he victimized.

... Man, I found your post legitimately funny AND now I feel really bad about it.

 

[BLNY]

He was fined $2000 CAD by that court of law. He's lucky he didn't do it Canada where its a criminal sexual assault offense.

That it wasn't a Canadian court doesn't make it any less legitimate. He was put on a registry. There are all manner of things that are punished differently, from one country to the next. Sweden deemed it suitable. You can let your angst skew it however you want.