Confirmed Signing with Link: [MTL] D Logan Mailloux signs ELC with the Canadiens (3 years, $897.5k AAV)

[Canadienna]

So much misinformation..... he is not a convicted sex offender, he wasn't even charged with a sex crime. It was offensive photography and defamation, also it was a picture not a video.

He was charged with criminal photography and defamation.

edit; Woops you added the charges

 

[Rubi]

It was a bad look when they drafted him. Not now, 1 year later, when the shitstorm is already over.

If you believe that I've got a beach front home in Ft Myers Beach I'd like to sell you. Just needs a bit of TLC.
Pay attention to the news... the shitstorm is about to make a encore.

 

[PriceIsGod]

So much misinformation..... he is not a convicted sex offender, he wasn't even charged with a sex crime. It was offensive photography and defamation, also it was a picture not a video.

I understand not liking the guy for obvious reasons, but I'm amazed by the amount of people who seem absolutely enraged by this guy with false details.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

..And then Mailloux refuses, gets drafted by another team who does offer him a max amount ELC (hypothetically).
Where are the consequences?

Yes, I think you let somebody else take on that moral/PR burden, if they are willing. You can still draft a nice player and have a contract slot open, nobody is going to blame you for it.

 

[Phrasing]

What exactly indicates he’s a changed person or that he’s faced the consequences of his actions? Seems he got a being picked in the first round and earning an ELC on minimal games played. The double standards for the rich or privileged.

 

[Howie Hodge]

Do I condone what Logan did? Absolutely not; it's betrayal of confidentiality, and that's a mark of immaturity and selfishness. I believe he was mandated some classes to address the lack of compassion and insensitivity to what he did. If he hasn't learned from this then yes; he's morally repugnant.

At the same time, I don't believe he's done something that warrants him from being banned from making a living doing something he's good at.

He's got to live with what he did, and he will almost certainly get called out on this by his peers. And he deserves to be.

That being said, I sincerely hope the girl involved in the incident has gotten over it, and is coping okay, and moved on with her life. She should feel no shame for what that happened. Betrayal, but not shame.

 

[Pink Mist]

So much misinformation..... he is not a convicted sex offender, he wasn't even charged with a sex crime. It was offensive photography and defamation, also it was a picture not a video.

"Offensive photography" is a charge in Swedish law that they use almost exclusively for cases where people photograph sexual acts or nudity without consent.

If he was convicted with an equivalent charge in Canada, he would be a sex offender

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

That doesn’t change the fact that if they accept what they did wrong as such and if there’s a punishment accept it that they deserve a second chance. Maybe sports is unfair past that with repeated chances but I think the first “second” chance can be 100% appropriate.

I don't disagree. I was commenting on your assertion we (the global we) aren't good at redemption(ie..giving a 2nd chance). I'm only saying that in the world of sports, we ARE good at redemption and it is more the rule than the exception, regardless how fans may act upfront.

As long as people are good with “performance” in their personal life things they’ve done wrong in the past are often “forgotten” by others around them. I’m glad the people in my life see past and “forget” my mistakes because they believe I’m a good person.

I agree.

 

[Canadienna]

What exactly indicates he’s a changed person or that he’s faced the consequences of his actions? Seems he got a being picked in the first round and earning an ELC on minimal games played. The double standards for the rich or privileged.

If I can turn the question around, what could he have possibly done or said that he hasn't to indicate he's a changed person?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

If you believe that I've got a beach front home in Ft Myers Beach I'd like to sell you. Just needs a bit of TLC.
Pay attention to the news... the shitstorm is about to make a encore.

There is no encore.

-Sponsors
They already accepted Molson's apology. I doubt the sponsors actually cared about the Mailloux selection. It was just a pr thing.

-The media
Mailloux stayed in Montreal the whole summer and has already spoken to the media. They moved on.

-The fans
Most fans have already moved on, and are excited to watch him play.

Furthermore, the people who made the selection got fired. So the new habs management is not accountable for this pick.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Years back, I had a coworker who was showing of some nude pictures on his phone. We looked at him and said "who is that, and why are you showing us? And we hope it's no one we know." He replied it was his Fiancé. We told him he was an ass for showing something intended for his eyes only to other people. He blushed, and looked like a kid who had been caught doing something wrong. I think he realized it was not cool, and his peers expressed their disapproval. Made him realize he was being a jerk.

That being said, I think he was trying to show off more than trying to hurt anyone. He was called out, and was told off for being an idiot and very immature. He never did it again that we were aware of.

Do I condone what Logan did? Absolutely not; it's betrayal of confidentiality, and that's a mark of immaturity and selfishness. I believe he was mandated some classes to address the lack of compassion and insensitivity to what he did.

At the same time, I don't believe he's done something that warrants him from being banned from making a living doing something he's good at.

He's got to live with what he did, and he will almost certainly get called out on this by his peers. And he deserves to be.

That being said, I sincerely hope the girl involved in the incident has gotten over it, and is coping okay. She should feel no shame for what that happened. Betrayal, but not shame.

I think that's just it. You can learn from these dumb mistakes that your upbringing/culture put you on a path to making. But if somebody basically makes it seem like no mistake was made at all and you suffer no consequences whatsoever... what message does that send to the next guy who might make these same mistakes? If I was running the Montreal Canadiens, it's not really about my team or the player, it's about sending the right message to the rest of the world. You don't have to fully Cancel a player to do that. You can work with the player and the system in a way that still sends a message, and still affords an opportunity at redemption, better than the Montreal Canadiens have done thus far in this instance.

 

[Double Dion]

He was a minor when this occurred. Doesn't make it right and the Habs shouldn't have drafted him per his request. He's done his best to make it right. The Edmonton Oilers still employ Bob Nicholson at the head of their organization. Rocks should be thrown in that direction before a kid who made a stupid and bad choice.

 

[jfhabs]

I understand not liking the guy for obvious reasons, but I'm amazed by the amount of people who seem absolutely enraged by this guy with false details.

Very typical. The most enraged are mostly the least informed haha

 

[BLNY]

What he did was wrong. He was suitably punished in a court of law. By all accounts, he's working with the club to be part of programs that work to stop this sort of behavior. IIRC, it was part of the reason he was around the team over the summer.

While I didn't like the pick at the time, especially considering he publicly stated that his preference was to go undrafted, if HuGo believe he's worthy of a contract, that's enough for me. Whether it's for 787k or 897k, no bonuses, max bonuses, makes no difference to me.

It's a defining moment at this stage of his life, but it doesn't have to be THE defining moment of his entire life.

 

[Rubi]

Liking another player more than him on draft day doesn’t mean you wouldn’t also like to have him. Just saying.

You're right... it doesn't. However, everyone was totally surprised when Marc Bergevin drafted him. I mean... so surprised that even the PM of Canada made a negative comment on it (not that Trudeau's opinion means much but when was the last time the PM of Canada commented on who an NHL team drafted?)

Liking him and drafting him and his baggage are totally different things. Then signing him a year later? A respected and even idolized organization like Montreal doesn't need it.

 

[MXD]

Yes, I think you let somebody else take on that moral/PR burden, if they are willing. You can still draft a nice player and have a contract slot open, nobody is going to blame you for it.

What are the consequences for Mailloux in that scenario? Which was the crux of your argument.

 

[Phrasing]

If I can turn the question around, what could he have possibly done or said that he hasn't to indicate he's a changed person?

Why would I have to lay out the road to that? The burden is on him. Has the victim acknowledged he has actually given an effective apology and atonement? Last I saw she received a meager text message and did not feel he has earned her acceptance.

In the meantime he’s faced no real consequence— he’s drafted and he still gets his money after playing 12 games. That’s privilege.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

He was a minor when this occurred. Doesn't make it right and the Habs shouldn't have drafted him per his request. He's done his best to make it right. The Edmonton Oilers still employ Bob Nicholson at the head of their organization. Rocks should be thrown in that direction before a kid who made a stupid and bad choice.

I don't even think many people are throwing rocks at Mailloux here. Of any transgressor we've read about here, he seems to have gone the extra mile to acknowledge his mistakes. It's more the organization that drafted him really seems to have gone out of their way to overlook even his own acknowledgements? That must be heart-warming to him on a personal level. But it's still not necessarily the right message for an NHL team to broadcast for other reasons.

 

[Sky04]

"Offensive photography" is a charge in Swedish law that they use almost exclusively for cases where people photograph sexual acts or nudity without consent.

If he was convicted with an equivalent charge in Canada, he would be a sex offender

Still not a sex offender in either country, by law.

 

[MXD]

You're right... it doesn't. However, everyone was totally surprised when Marc Bergevin drafted him. I mean... so surprised that even the PM of Canada made a negative comment on it (not that Trudeau's opinion means much but when was the last time the PM of Canada commented on who an NHL team drafted?)

Liking him and drafting him and his baggage are totally different things. Then signing him a year later? A respected and even idolized organization like Montreal doesn't need it.

The issue with this is, there could be quite a few players on evely roster who did worse stuff, but since that stuff happened in Canada, no one knows about it, because those said players could benefit from the usual support network. Something Mailloux couldn't rely on in a foreign country.

 

[jfhabs]

I think that's just it. You can learn from these dumb mistakes that your upbringing/culture put you on a path to making. But if somebody basically makes it seem like no mistake was made at all and you suffer no consequences whatsoever... what message does that send to the next guy who might make these same mistakes? If I was running the Montreal Canadiens, it's not really about my team or the player, it's about sending the right message to the rest of the world. You don't have to fully Cancel a player to do that. You can work with the player and the system in a way that still sends a message, and still affords an opportunity at redemption, better than the Montreal Canadiens have done thus far in this instance.

Picking him in the 1st round by the Montreal Canadiens was probably the worse for him. It brought the spot lit on him.

He got cut from Hockey Canada programs (how ironic lol), got a huge media backlash with a lost going overboard, a lot of hate toward him, half a year suspension in the OHL + therapy and what not. Some of it was deserved, some was too much in my personal opinion.

As a society, I think it's important to believe in re-education, specially speaking of teenagers and non-violent/hateful crimes.

 

[Rubi]

What he did was wrong. He was suitably punished in a court of law. By all accounts, he's working with the club to be part of programs that work to stop this sort of behavior. IIRC, it was part of the reason he was around the team over the summer.

While I didn't like the pick at the time, especially considering he publicly stated that his preference was to go undrafted, if HuGo believe he's worthy of a contract, that's enough for me. Whether it's for 787k or 897k, no bonuses, max bonuses, makes no difference to me.

It's a defining moment at this stage of his life, but it doesn't have to be THE defining moment of his entire life.

He was fined $2000 CAD by that court of law. He's lucky he didn't do it Canada where its a criminal sexual assault offense punishable by up to 5 years in prison.

 

[jfhabs]

The issue with this is, there could be quite a few players on evely roster who did worse stuff, but since that stuff happened in Canada, no one knows about it, because those said players could benefit from the usual support network. Something Mailloux couldn't rely on in a foreign country.

Well there are a bunch of them Team Canada is protecting at this very moment....

 

[Double Dion]

I don't even think many people are throwing rocks at Mailloux here. Of any transgressor we've read about here, he seems to have gone the extra mile to acknowledge his mistakes. It's more the organization that drafted him really seems to have gone out of their way to overlook even his own acknowledgements? That must be heart-warming to him on a personal level. But it's still not necessarily the right message for an NHL team to broadcast for other reasons.

Fair comment for sure. Montreal made a poor choice drafting him. That said, I think he has tried to fix the horrible decision he made as a minor. I have time for 17 year olds who make a bad choice. Nicholson and the Oilers should be getting smashed but somehow aren't while people criticize a young kid.

 

[Jared Dunn]

I don't even think many people are throwing rocks at Mailloux here. Of any transgressor we've read about here, he seems to have gone the extra mile to acknowledge his mistakes. It's more the organization that drafted him really seems to have gone out of their way to overlook even his own acknowledgements? That must be heart-warming to him on a personal level. But it's still not necessarily the right message for an NHL team to broadcast for other reasons.

Again you seem to be combining the management team that made the terrible decision to draft him with the new management team that was left with the decision to trust one of their top prospects is attempting to change and sign him or to let him walk and have the rest of the league decide who is going to give him the ELC you're griping about.

I would have been very okay with Montreal walking away from him, but from a strictly hockey standpoint signing him is probably the right move. I am very confident that if the GM switch had been made pre-draft, Mailloux would not have been picked by the team and I don't think it's necessarily fair to give the current brass hell for how they've handled the mess left to them