BHawk21
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The same Patrick Kane that had 92 points in 78 games last year?
Confirmed Trade: [MTL/CHI] Kirby Dach for 2022 1st-round (13OA), 2022 3rd-round (66OA)
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Two responses. You're right that I focused too much on their opinion of what a franchise player is.
Second, he has 31 points in 43 games and is 34 years old.
Not sure how that fits franchise forward at this point
GeeoffBrown
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I looked it up and this draft is pretty insane with Cale Makar, Elias Petterson, Nico Hischier, Robert Thomas, Jason Robertson and Miro Heiskanen that you could argue above Suzuki.
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Dach looks a lot more comfortable in Montreal. Helps that he's also recovering from that nasty wrist injury he suffered.
dirtydanglez
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Isn’t Oettinger also from that draft class?
Edit: Just looked at the 2017 draft. Holy shit was it a solid one. Oettinger, Uuko Pekka-leekonnen, Necas, Vilardi and Norris are also standouts.
2015 and 2017 were DEEP, DEEP draft.
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Keller, maybe Cooley?
They built around them. They're just as much the franchise players are as Ovechkin and Crosby are for their teams. They're all due for new ones which is where the draft or trades come in.
In professional sports, a franchise player is an athlete who is both the best player on their team and one that the team can build their "franchise" around for the foreseeable future.
Source: wiki
dirtydanglez
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"every team is building around someone."
"So you're right, not every team has a franchise center, but every team does have a franchise player."
that's where you went off the rails.
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Why is this bumped on main board? Anything happened or just cheerleading?
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Dach has been playing really well since being moved back to centre.
So I think it's cheerleading?
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The guy is right. It’s not hate. A 60 point 2 way player is not a franchise player. If that’s the case, Ryan O’Rielly/Ryan Kesler were franchise players. They were 60-70 point selke candidates in their primes. Both were considered elite 2C in their primes.
Suzuki has the potential to be much better than Kesler or o’rielly were, but atm he’s around their level. That’s not a franchise player.
Also he would at best be 7th in a redraft today:
Makar
Robertson/Pettersson
Pettersson/Robertson
Heiskanen
Hischier
Thomas
These 6 are taken easily before Suzuki.
Then you have Norris/Oettinger whom could be taken before Suzuki too. A franchise C wouldn’t be the 4th or 5th C going in his draft class. Definitely wouldn’t be falling to 7-10th overall pick in what’s considered a weak draft either.
This time next year if vilardi/necas continue their play while suzuki remains at a 60-70 point level, suzuki may not even be a top 10 consideration
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I guess guys like Ovi and Crosby aren't franchise players to you then
i think you replied to the wrong post
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Here we go again.
A franchise player is by definition someone that a team is building around or has built around, for now that's Suzuki. Maybe it'll shift from Suzuki to Slaf or Bedard.
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These 6 are taken easily before Suzuki....I think you would get much debate about how easily this order gets ranked. Some of these players would perform much differently on other teams. the value of a skilled center that can perform in all situations in not to be undervalued.
You have the definition wrong. I don’t think you’d call Clayton Keller a franchise player.
The definition is CAN build around for the foreseeable future. You’ve already mentioned that they may already be looking past building around him today! It could be someone else they’ve already drafted (slaf) or their very next 1st pick. If he was the franchise player you wouldn’t already be looking to build past him before you even have someone that’s proven to better
You’re mixing up the franchise’s best player vs a franchise level player. Suzuki without a doubt is the franchise’s best player atm. He however, is not a franchise player
Not every team has a franchise player. Some teams may have multiple. General rule of thumb I go by is:
is he good enough to be the best player on a contender? If the answer isn’t even a maybe, then he definitely isn’t a franchise player
They may they may not. We’ll never know. One could argue they’d play worse swapping roles with suzuki, another could say the opposite. Best example that comes to mind is Olli Jokinen. Was a big fish in a small pond. As soon as he moved to a better situation his numbers flatlined. He was better suited being the guy than being one of the guys
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Osakahaus
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yes!
i think he might reach 50 points this season, which is very good for someone that had low expectations at the start year.
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And it's not just this year. That's still the short sighted point. The GM has stated it is a rebuild that could be 5 years or however by design.
The goal is to still be bad the next 2 years at least, it's also why Michkov would be a great fit as a consolation prize because being bad and getting good lottery odds the next year fits the roster build.
Like many of us this board, I've been burned in declaring that a young player performing well has "arrived". Thus, I will refrain from claiming that Kirby Dach will be a #1b centre.
What I will say is that he looks phenomenal out there. If he develops a shot, I think he can top out as a 70 point centreman.
He inspires confidence on the ice. Has an underrated defensive game.
What I will say is that he looks phenomenal out there. If he develops a shot, I think he can top out as a 70 point centreman.
He inspires confidence on the ice. Has an underrated defensive game.
Words have usages not inherent meaning. In the common usage a term like #1 NHL center would mean that there would be 32 centers who come under that heading while in here a #1 center would apply to what? Half a dozens centers or that guy sucks because he's your guy.
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i think it's well understood that a #1c is a center who is capable of playing well on the 1st line. it's not someone who just gets put in that role due to a lack of that talent in an organization.
But, Dach is only 21, he'll be in his prime 5 years from now at 26.
I just don't see the rational behind that trade other then they lost confidence in their very recent 3rd overall pick.
And right now it looks like they were wrong.
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