Confirmed Trade: [MTL/CHI] Kirby Dach for 2022 1st-round (13OA), 2022 3rd-round (66OA)

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Romanov is 5th in average TOI on the islanders for dmen.

Mind you, it's very close:

Pelech 20:49
Dobson 20:28
Pulock 20:05
Mayfield 19:59
Romanov 19:53
Aho 14:21
Salo 12:38

Also, he's second for EV TOI, at 17:42, 2 seconds behind Pelech at 17:44.
D Toews was 5th on the NYI in playing time with the Avs acquired him. Same story. He was about at 20 minutes a game of ice time.
 
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And that will end up being the issue when the trade is truly judged in 3-4 years. If Dach ends up on the wing, he better be more than a dime a dozen 40-50 point winger, you can sign every July in UFA.

Take nothing away from his start. We’re 1/3rd into the season and he’s made an impact. They didn’t however, trade what in all likelihood is a 7-10 year Top 4 dman who’s still 2 years away from entering his prime, for a wing. They expect him to be a Top 6 C.

So if he never ends up at C, it’ll be questioned over the years unless he consistently ends up being a 65+ point player.

It’s just way to early to know how this all plays out. It could go either way, or end up being great for both the Islanders and the Habs. We just don’t know yet.
except 40-50 points in Montreal is good and if he put that up on the second line wing that would be great for us. Nobody is expecting the kid to be a ppg center. And we did not give up much for him IMO.
 
they remember, what hab fans were saying about romanov before the trade happened.
Both are young, average players. Average players on the hab roster are above average within the team, because they are (one of) the worst teams in the nhl, fully rebuilding with aweful useless vets.

Our player appreciation is probably quite biased, habs badly needed LHD, big hitters and young players. Habs also need a big center for 30 years now. Both players fill a need there, are fun to watch play, stand out on hab crappy rosters and fans (by definition) will root for whoever is wearing the jersey (and have very short term memory!).
 
Both are young, average players. Average players on the hab roster are above average within the team, because they are (one of) the worst teams in the nhl, fully rebuilding with aweful useless vets.

Our player appreciation is probably quite biased, habs badly need LHD, big hitters and young players. Habs also need a big center for 30 years now. Both players fill a need there, are fun to watch play, stand out on hab crappy rosters and fans (by definition) will root for whoever is wearing the jersey (and have very short term memory!).
We've also had a putrid display of offensive players for 3 decades so a guy ending up *only* hitting 50 points consistently in Montreal is amazing to us
 
We've also had a putrid display of offensive players for 3 decades so a guy ending up *only* hitting 50 points consistently in Montreal is amazing to us
The one-touch passing while cycling on the powerplay with Suzuki and Caufield is impressive for sure. He also rocked the face-off circle his 1st game back as a center. 50 pts great pp guy feels like the floor; hard to say with the crap supporting cast lol
 
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Dude please.. nobody said that. I literally talk about Chicago. Can’t you just understand that phrase..

Anyhow, if that is all that matters, than why keep quoting people who think otherwise.

Cheers and merry x-mas already.
Your quote on Dach.
[ Dach is a marginal player who can make a great pass so now and than and is getting 1st line minutes for lack of better.]
No you literally talked about Dach. Why are you trying so hard to discredit Dach and his play this season?
 
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If he can improve on his faceoffs and get his shooting % up he's going to be a fine player. I'm still OK with the Hawks trading him because he doesn't really fit the timeline but I can see him being a good 2C on a team with cup aspirations in his prime.
 
If he can improve on his faceoffs and get his shooting % up he's going to be a fine player. I'm still OK with the Hawks trading him because he doesn't really fit the timeline but I can see him being a good 2C on a team with cup aspirations in his prime.
Didn't fit your Timeline? He's only 21.
Hawks have their reasons for trading Dach. We may never find out why.
. Habs had their reasons to trade for him.
Dach is playing good on the Habs, Romanov is playing good for the Isles and the Hawks picked up Nazar who they see becoming a future top line C.
There's no clear winner here yet. It will take a bit to see how it all works out.
 
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Didn't fit your Timeline? He's only 21.
Hawks have their reasons for trading Dach. We may never find out why.
. Habs had their reasons to trade for him.
Dach is playing good on the Habs, Romanov is playing good for the Isles and the Hawks picked up Nazar who they see becoming a future top line C.
There's no clear winner here yet. It will take a bit to see how it all works out.
I'm not sure why you feel the need to be confrontational?

Yes, he turns 22 this year, but this is a clear and blatant tank year for the Hawks. He signed a Restricted Free Agency contract upon being traded to the Montreal Canadiens because his ELC had run its course, which is a 4 year/$13.450 million contract. As he improves, he would likely just stand in the way of the "tank" and the flexibility that comes with the open spot. By the time the Hawks would be coming out of the rebuild, it is likely towards the end of the Dach RFA contract in 2026, while he'd still be an RFA, the type of contract he'd be looking for at that point will be likely be a UFA type one, or else it's a one year prove it and hit UFA anyways type of thing (as he would be a UFA in 2027 without an extension prior to then). So then it's time to either pay him whatever his UFA value is or let him walk, or trade him at some point in the middle of his contract when he may fetch less value (unless he improves and beats his projections).

Instead, they can just accumulate draft capital right away to get younger players brought in that can hopefully complement the (future) top picks while being closer in age and more efficiently tank in what is projected to be a stronger draft.

It's a house-cleaning move for sure. It doesn't reflect negatively on Dach, I think people are too hesitant to declare that trades MUST have a "winner" and a "loser" (obviously some do based on how it plays out).
 
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I'm not sure why you feel the need to be confrontational?

Yes, he turns 22 this year, but this is a clear and blatant tank year for the Hawks. He signed a Restricted Free Agency contract upon being traded to the Montreal Canadiens because his ELC had run its course, which is a 4 year/$13.450 million contract. As he improves, he would likely just stand in the way of the "tank" and the flexibility that comes with the open spot. By the time the Hawks would be coming out of the rebuild, it is likely towards the end of the Dach RFA contract in 2026, while he'd still be an RFA, the type of contract he'd be looking for at that point will be likely be a UFA type one, or else it's a one year prove it and hit UFA anyways type of thing (as he would be a UFA in 2027 without an extension prior to then). So then it's time to either pay him whatever his UFA value is or let him walk, or trade him at some point in the middle of his contract when he may fetch less value (unless he improves and beats his projections).

Instead, they can just accumulate draft capital right away to get younger players brought in that can hopefully complement the (future) top picks while being closer in age and more efficiently tank in what is projected to be a stronger draft.

It's a house-cleaning move for sure. It doesn't reflect negatively on Dach, I think people are too hesitant to declare that trades MUST have a "winner" and a "loser" (obviously some do based on how it plays out).
Not trying to be confrontational. Yes i believe there were reasons that the Hawks traded Dach. I just don't think timeline had anything to do with trading a 21 yr old.
 
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Kirby Dach is what we expected about KK. Really fun to have this guy developping into a top 6 player underpaid for the next 4 years.
 
After his hot start, Dach is on pace for 54 over 82, and as a winger, not center. Nothing wrong with that, and I wish the kid the best, but are we done pretending this trade was the greatest fleecing of all time?
 
After his hot start, Dach is on pace for 54 over 82, and as a winger, not center. Nothing wrong with that, and I wish the kid the best, but are we done pretending this trade was the greatest fleecing of all time?

Um, 21 year old 6'4 top 6 forward who can play centre and isn't playing soft at all or 13th overall pick.

Still pretty bad for Chicago
 
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Um, 21 year old 6'4 top 6 forward who can play centre and isn't playing soft at all or 13th overall pick.

Still pretty bad for Chicago
not looking great for chicago but it's impossible to say until nazar has a chance to develop.
 
After his hot start, Dach is on pace for 54 over 82, and as a winger, not center. Nothing wrong with that, and I wish the kid the best, but are we done pretending this trade was the greatest fleecing of all time?
He's been playing center since Monahan went down and playing with our poor wingers. That's largely been killing his ES production.

His play along the boards has been amazing for us so we would be perfectly fine if he swapped to winger since we may end up with another franchise C this draft.
 
He's been playing center since Monahan went down and playing with our poor wingers. That's largely been killing his ES production.

His play along the boards has been amazing for us so we would be perfectly fine if he swapped to winger since we may end up with another franchise C this draft.
will the habs draft high enough to get a franchise c? also who's the franchise c the habs already have?
 
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