ole ole
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Actually 78 in his career and he's 6'4" to boot.
Heck who would want a 21 yr old who has 19 points in 26 games so far this season playing on a scrub team.
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Confirmed Trade: [MTL/CHI] Kirby Dach for 2022 1st-round (13OA), 2022 3rd-round (66OA)
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Heck who would want a 21 yr old who has 19 points in 26 games so far this season playing on a scrub team.
HuGort
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I don't know. I would have kept the picks. Although, It would not have been Nazar. As Habs are flush with small forwards. Not sure who I would have taken at 13? Kulich I was high on. Schaefer also. Maybe McGroaty or trade down to 2nd round take Schaefer or Belluz and get another first in '23. The third round pick I would have taken Ty Nelson. I had him slated in 2nd round.
I would have went for Bedard. Once we got him then I would have dealt a mid first for a Dach type. Cart before horse this way.
General Fanager
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Maybe, maybe not...who knows. You don't agree that playing with Gretzky will boost your numbers a bunch?
I just mean that players get a boost from line mates. That's a common thing...
Frolov 6'3
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Yes that’s a common thing. You are at least right about one thing.
You miss his point though, both Suzuki and Caufield dont benefit as much from Dach as Dach is benefitting from them.
So basically we have wasted each others time because you failed to understand that and now I know there is at least one person who is not fully convinced Kurri belongs in the HHOF.
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Not sure why a Habs fan is throwing shots about success when you probably are not even old enough to have seen 93. When people think of "winning" I dont think Montreal, a team who have only one finals appearance in the last 30 years comes to mind. Doesnt help during that sad finals appearance they took a worse beating than Jeffrey Dahmer did in prison.
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Nona Di Giuseppe
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So many non-answer replies.
It’s almost like you took hearsay and gossip and created a complete narrative so don’t have actual facts to argue it.
Not to say the Hawks are shit or anything, but guys like Suzuki and Caufield experience the run to the cup finals 2 years ago. Edmunson and Savard have won cups. It's not because you don't win the cup that your team has a loser attitude, having regular season and playoff success counts too.Loser attitude? How may cups do the Habs have since the Clinton administration again?
BTW, not sure if you're a Hawks fan, but the hire of Richardson is a good sign. If you guys can have a decent return for Kane and even Toews, you could really get the inside track on a lot of rebuilding teams with a top 5 pick in this draft and a couple other late 1st.
IMO, in retrospec, there weren't players I would've picked ahead of Dach after 10 in the 2022 draft...
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I see comments here like he has to quit being cute with the puck and shoot more. Well, that was the rub in Chicago and probably a big reason why he was dealt. I know people like to get premature on excitement but let's see how he pans out in a year or 2. 4 goals is on par for him for this point of the season per historical. I would not expect that to all the sudden increase.
He belongs.
He also makes Caufiled/Suzuki better. (Advanced stats below)
That's what good linemates do, that is true. But it is also true for him. And for any good lines member.
Don't belittle his points production. Anderson did not do that with them.
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He also makes Caufiled/Suzuki better. (Advanced stats below)
That's what good linemates do, that is true. But it is also true for him. And for any good lines member.
Don't belittle his points production. Anderson did not do that with them.
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I am not belittling anything so you can quit making shit up. Just stating that he has never been a goal scorer and is an assist first person. He is also not a line driver. Glad he is going well in MTL but as someone who works with stats I am sure you would agree to be happy with his current production but a larger data set will tell the tale. Hence why I said 1-2 years. I expect teens goals and a lot of assists per historical/juniors if he continues.He belongs.
He also makes Caufiled/Suzuki better. (Advanced stats below)
That's what good linemates do, that is true. But it is also true for him. And for any good lines member.
Don't belittle his points production. Anderson did not do that with them.
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And that is perfect, Suzuki already drives his line.
Yes, he is more of a passer and that's perfect too.
And yes, a larger dataset will tell more.
Scorey Perry was saying that his production is only because he is playing with good linemates. That was the comment I was refering to by belittling... Not making shit up. Calm down. Are you following the thread ? Of course stats are influenced by your linemates and your TOI, but this is true for everybody, as was rightfully pointed out.
Yes, good linemates and chemistry are at play, but that's what it is, and that's what we want...
It's a team game...
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Very very few players are play drivers before 22 yo, it doesn't mean he'll never be able to drive a line. As of now, Suzuki is the driver on this line. But Dach is contributing very well, he creates a lot of space with his large frame/reach. I don't think he was doing that as well in the past couple years in Chicago. We've seen him shot a little more the last few games in general at 5vs5, but they also try to use him to shoot on the PP too. That being said, I don't think he'll ever be 30g scorer, probably more 15-25 range. And that's fine.
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It’s hockey development 101 isn’t it? All players develop at a pace that’s unpredictable and that is especially true for big guy’s. Look at 1st round pick Tage Thompson blossoming this year, he’s 25. Dach is progressing just fine at 21 years old.
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Here's the gossip part that we are all laughing at.
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Blackhawks didn’t want him as one of their future core...period. I’ve always thought that their was something character wise that the team missed when interviewing him before the draft...something mistaken for confidence/leadership...and I noticed as he played more and more that other teams didn’t like him, and his teammates didn’t care to defend him over...something...I. Junior he had a teammate/bodyguard named Riley McKay whom Chicago signed to an AHL contract with Rockford...well well well that same teammate/bodyguard was traded to Laval(Montreal’s farm team) in the AHL now...and after a slow start Dach has picked it up...something there...can’t put my finger in it, but it’s a character issue that Dach has that Chicago decided they were done with
When(and it will happen) Dach gets moved from Montreal we’ll see what ‘their’ reason was...
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You want to defend that then go for it.
Too many people think a 20 year old has character issues. He's 1 year out of being a teenager. I am a guy and started to mature at 22/23. Character issues at that age are from lack of effort in Wright, Galchenyuk and Kotkaniemi to name a few. He worked hard.
Sometimes these reclamation moves pan out, most of the time they don't.
My guess is Dach would be the same Dach now as he has been these past years in Chicago and the Hawks figured that to be the case. So they turned Dach into a decently high pick and grabbed a guy they liked. The reasoning for the move is sound.
Habs are in throwing dart mode and they turned a good defensive D man into a realistic shot at a top 6C given how they viewed Dach.
Is Dach looking like a C ? Not so much at the moment. As a Habs fan I have to say that if this is who Dach is long term, but on the wing , I am thrilled to have him. Now I get sometimes guys do well for a while after a trade, and then drop back, but he didn't take off until he got to the first line. I'm hoping he's the real deal, but time will tell. So far so good.
I think all 3 teams did just fine.
My guess is Dach would be the same Dach now as he has been these past years in Chicago and the Hawks figured that to be the case. So they turned Dach into a decently high pick and grabbed a guy they liked. The reasoning for the move is sound.
Habs are in throwing dart mode and they turned a good defensive D man into a realistic shot at a top 6C given how they viewed Dach.
Is Dach looking like a C ? Not so much at the moment. As a Habs fan I have to say that if this is who Dach is long term, but on the wing , I am thrilled to have him. Now I get sometimes guys do well for a while after a trade, and then drop back, but he didn't take off until he got to the first line. I'm hoping he's the real deal, but time will tell. So far so good.
I think all 3 teams did just fine.
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you know, **** it, let’s just not think so much
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I think it’s a natural thing to develop or perceived him to develop as a result of being in the toxic environment that was the hawks, you might’ve missed my point
Hopefully the air is not too rarefied from your mountain top...
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Didn't you read the La Presse article ?
The Habs were high on Ostlund, and tried to trade for yet another 1st round pick when he was still available, and it's quite possible they would have drafted him rather than traded for Dach, if they had known he was going to be available.
Sometimes hard times make better players. Sometimes people need to go through shit to get good.
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Playing with a sniper like Caufield that's just fine, in fact that's perfect. Lots of guys have a great careers by feeding the sniper.
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General Fanager
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the same can be said for tons of players in the league.
Not all line mates have the same talent. Most players benefit from playing with better players....
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