Value of: MTL-BUF

[Beerz]

Caufield alone is better then Cozens...

Thank God... I thought you said he was better THAN Cozens.

Turns out you said better THEN Cozens.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Sabres fans don’t agree.

We'll, they're wrong, what else can I Say?

And upgrading from Dach to Cozens isn’t anything cheaper than Caulfield.

Until he shows otherwise, Dach is unremarkable but serviceable middle-six center. Giving up a prized center like Cozens to downgrade to Dach is huge.

Caufield is still > Cozens Who is > Dach

So what is the + from Buffalo?

 

[Garbageyuk]

We'll, they're wrong, what else can I Say?



Caufield is still > Cozens Who is > Dach

So what is the + from Buffalo?

Based on what, potential? Even then, idk. Caufield has the potential to be 50 goal scorer, but Cozens could end up as a 100+ point two-way C. I’d take the latter, if given the choice. They are pretty even at the moment, but Cozens gets the edge because of two-way play and the fact that he’s a center.

 

[Kimota]

Habs lose two great pieces for one. What's the logic in doing this? Let's create more holes in a line-up that is not deep in the first place?

 

[Dirty Dog]

We'll, they're wrong, what else can I Say?



Caufield is still > Cozens Who is > Dach

So what is the + from Buffalo?

Sabres fans don’t agree Caulfield is > cozens. I have their values pretty damn close

 

[DiglettDangles]

Flawed premise and weird valuation, a recipe for sterile discussions.


Buffalo and Montreal would actually be great trading partners for something like this, however:

RHD prospect from MTL, projected at least 2nd pair (Barron, Mailloux, maybe Engstrom)
for
FWD prospect from BUF, projected at least middle 6 but without a clear spot long-term

Add plusses where needed (on MTL's offer if swinging for Kulich/Savoie/Ostlund?, on BUF's offer otherwise).
We have some Tuch and Mittelstadt brothers if you're interested.
Personally I'm not really into Peterka, Krebs and Mittelstadt - not the profile we need.
Quinn I think has a role in BUF. Before this preseason I would have listed Benson but now it's clearly out of question.

I think our prospect pools are equally unbalanced but in opposite ways.
A swap could be mutually beneficial but high profile prospects are rarely traded in division before they've been tested in the NHL.

 

[DaPhazz]

Geezus Christ, way too much value from Montreal.

I'd keep CC one for one for Cozens, and about Dach, experts expect him to step in the 1C shoes this year or the next.

He's better than both. Are you serious?


Every other fan in the league would though.


Because they get a better player in return.

Try a poll lol

 

[Qwijibo]

Most people here seem to be making the wrong comparison. It's not Caufield to Cozens or Dach to Cozens. It's Suzuki to Cozens. Is Cozens that big an upgrade to Suzuki that Montreal would be willing to sell off Dach and Caufield to get him? The answer in my eyes is not even remotely.

Montreal is far better off with Suzuki, Dach and Caufield than they'd be with Cozens and Suzuki. Buffalo fans can make thier arguments of why they wouldn't do the deal from thier end. And they're likely valid given the fact that they give up a great young C and get a great young winger and a question mark of a C.

At the end of the day it makes zero sense for Montreal to gut thier top 2 lines in order to get a slight (if at all) upgrade at qC and then have a great 2C but no one of Caufields talent to play with

 

[DaPhazz]

How about leave if you’re gonna get all pissy. If you don’t like the thread, don’t participate. It’s a simple concept.

He's right man, it's entertaining.... 'cause it sucks

 

[Garbageyuk]

He's right man, it's entertaining.... 'cause it sucks

Cool.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Both teams say no. I don't think the value is that off, but stick with the young guys you have.

 

[Mattilaus]

So what is the + from Buffalo?

Nothing. If we would even contemplate trading cozens it would likely be for a comparable asset on D. Montreal does not have a RHD in his low 20s with good size, good stats, on a good contract, that they would be willing to part with (as they shouldn't). That's the problem with this proposal, buffalo's needs are not being taken into account at all. Why would we trade cozens for a middling centre and spare parts when we have one of the best prospect pools in the NHL when it comes to forwards?

 

[Qwijibo]

Nothing. If we would even contemplate trading cozens it would likely be for a comparable asset on D. Montreal does not have a RHD in his low 20s with good size, good stats, on a good contract, that they would be willing to part with (as they shouldn't). That's the problem with this proposal, buffalo's needs are not being taken into account at all. Why would we trade cozens for a middling centre and spare parts when we have one of the best prospect pools in the NHL when it comes to forwards?

I agree it doesn't make sense for either team. But did you just call Caufield a spare part? Lmao

 

[Mattilaus]

I agree it doesn't make sense for either team. But did you just call Caufield a spare part? Lmao

No I did not. I was referring to the poster I quoted asking what the + was with Dach and specifically without Caufield. Caufield is great and is not a spare part.

 

[Qwijibo]

No I did not. I was referring to the poster I quoted asking what the + was with Dach and specifically without Caufield. Caufield is great and is not a spare part.

Ok great. Thanks for the clarification. Your post made total sense up until the part where I thought you called Caufield a spare part. Lol.

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

Didn’t hockey start last night?
Didn’t both these teams miss playoffs last year?
Lets hold off on the bravado and see how season develops

Do Caufield and Dach lead the canadians to the playoffs or does Cozens lead the Sabres to playoffs? Or are they both pretenders?

 

[Voight]

Cozens is not better than Caufield and likely not Dach. Don't see why Buffalo wwould want more forwards though.

 

[Qwijibo]

Didn’t hockey start last night?
Didn’t both these teams miss playoffs last year?
Lets hold off on the bravado and see how season develops

Do Caufield and Dach lead the canadians to the playoffs or does Cozens lead the Sabres to playoffs? Or are they both pretenders?

I'm a Montreal fan and I'm comfortable saying they want be making the playoffs yet. They're still a couple years off from that. And I do expect Buffalo to make it. That said it has nothing to do with the quality of Caufield/Dach vs Cozens. Buffalo is just a better overall team right now.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Thank God... I thought you said he was better THAN Cozens.

Turns out you said better THEN Cozens.

Caufield today is a better player than Cozens

who knows in the future but today its Cole that being said Cozens does play the most important position

 

[McJedi]

Habs fans aren’t gonna like this one

It’s a stupid offer. Terrible for the Habs. They should hate it. I don’t like the Habs and I hate it for them too. Way off in value.

Basically two very good young players for one very good young player.

 

[Beerz]

Caufield today is a better player than Cozens

who knows in the future but today its Cole that being said Cozens does play the most important position

What metrics are you using to determine Caufield is better?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

What metrics are you using to determine Caufield is better?

He's a hab

 

[Jared Dunn]

Love Cozens but hard no on this obviously... Dach might overtake Suzuki as Habs number one center in the next couple years, Chicago giving up on him way too early is a testament to them not him and if preseason is any indication he's ready to use his massive frame to his advantage

 

[HuGo Sham]

That’s why it’s a “value of” thread and not a proposal. Ignore the team situations, and focus on the value of the deal.

the value difference between Dach and Cozens is not a 22 year old potential 40 goal scorer. So the answer is no from Montreal.
What's even more difficult about this proposal is that Dach also projects to approximate Cozens' numbers going forward.
Before i get flooded with troll takes: all three are terrific young players

 

[HuGo Sham]

Sabres fans don’t agree.

great and thus the thread gets swallowed in bullshit.
As I've posted before there's a significant pushback
to anything habs related here simply because of the
number of wild habs fans takes on the main boards..
Cozens is a wonderful player but he's the same age as Dach
who has played terrifically since being acquired by the habs.
He projects as a 60 pt C this year if he stays healthy.
Caufield was on pace for 45 goals last year.
Like cozens, both were signed to nice long-term deals.

I understand why sabres / habs haters fans don't touch this as cozens is
more of a sure thing right now, but the number of posters
undervaluing caufield and Dach is ridiculous