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Sabres aren’t trading their 22 year old, physical, 6’3, two-way, 70 point, 30 goal center that they locked up on a long term deal. CC is just as valuable player, but Sabres aren’t trading cozens.
Healthier?
Caufield has been injured ONCE and was publicly said that if Habs were into playoff contention he would've kept playing.
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pth2
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Cole Caufield is showing he has the talent and pedigree to overcome his diminutive size (5-foot-7, 162 pounds) and excel in the NHL. 40 pt seasons.
Dylan Cozens authored a signature moment early in his NHL career when he scored 12 seconds into overtime to give the Buffalo Sabres a 3-2 win against the New York Islanders at KeyBank Center on Jan. 19, 2023, his goal coming on a breakaway and hours after the Sabres retired the No. 30 of former goalie Ryan Miller and inducted him into the Buffalo Sabres Hall of Fame. 40 pt season then a seventy point season
Homer much?
Sure, if you’re a Montreal fan. Otherwise, he has done nothing to suggest he is better.
And Kirby Dach is on the path to being a nice serviceable middle-six center. Nothing remarkable. Not something Sabres have room for
He might not be better, but 26 goals in 46 games is an achievement.
Compared to 31 in 81...
Last time I checked, games are won by scoring more goals than your opponent.
I didn’t say he didn’t achieve anything. I said he hasn’t shown he is better than cozens.
Mattilaus
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Well it is good to know that when comparing players the only stat one needs look at is goals. I can't believe I have been doing it wrong and looking at multiple stats, position, and contract when evaluating trade. I'm a total div.
CanadienShark
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I did. Your proposal is bad. You were told that by everyone. You got up in arms at people knocking your proposal.
I'm not a habs fans but your offer is ridiculous.
If Buffalo want Dach and Caufield they will have to give Cozen and Benson
Glad to teach you that goals are more important than passes while analysing points production.
That's why 50+ goal scorers are paid a premium, even when they don't hit more than 70 points.
But never did I say it is the only stat to look at, you are volontarily spinning it your way.
Why the hell would the Habs do this? Cozens is an amazing player and has size but Caufield is just as amazing and then they add Dach? Cozen has 48 goals in 201 games while Caufield already has that beat with 53 in only 123 games. Caufield is at .68 ppg to Cozens is at .59....
I would agree with this. Dach made some nice strides last year but he is not better than Cozens.
So this is all to take a shot at Suzuki, figures.
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What do you mean? Caufield’s shoulder injury last season was the first injury (including their long playoff run) during his career. He’s played a full season + 10 games & playoff and his NCAA career.
Doug Prishpreed
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Congtats, you found a trade that no one on either team wants lol. At least the value isn't far off.
I'm wondering what need this addresses for either team -- can't quite figure out why anyone would want to do this?
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I think it’s pretty hard to argue Caufield is better than Cozens. Is there anyone doing this who isn't a Montreal fan?
Caufield has a better shot and is a better finisher.
Cozens is bigger, stronger, faster, more aggressive, a better passer, a better forechecker, a better backchecker, better in transition, more durable, more productive, plays a more premium position and is on a better contract.
They're the same age.
If Cozens doesn't improve a lick in his career, he's a 30-goal, 70-point 2-way centre.
If Caufield can continue his current pace over a full-season, he's a 40-goal, 70-point offensive winger.
Everyone who follows hockey knows which of those is a more valuable asset.
The valuation of this proposal is fair if you think Dach is the 35- to 40-point middle-sixer he's been so far in his career, but I think it misses the mark because Dach can still turn into a 60-point player, like Casey Mittelstadt has for Buffalo.
Caufield has a better shot and is a better finisher.
Cozens is bigger, stronger, faster, more aggressive, a better passer, a better forechecker, a better backchecker, better in transition, more durable, more productive, plays a more premium position and is on a better contract.
They're the same age.
If Cozens doesn't improve a lick in his career, he's a 30-goal, 70-point 2-way centre.
If Caufield can continue his current pace over a full-season, he's a 40-goal, 70-point offensive winger.
Everyone who follows hockey knows which of those is a more valuable asset.
The valuation of this proposal is fair if you think Dach is the 35- to 40-point middle-sixer he's been so far in his career, but I think it misses the mark because Dach can still turn into a 60-point player, like Casey Mittelstadt has for Buffalo.
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And upgrading from Dach to Cozens isn’t anything cheaper than Caulfield.
Until he shows otherwise, Dach is unremarkable but serviceable middle-six center. Giving up a prized center like Cozens to downgrade to Dach is huge.
Dach doesn’t have Cozens upside. Caufield gives Buffalo more of what they have (small wingers) but more expensive.
Benson, Savoie, Rousek, Kulich will all play on the wing along with Tuch, Skinner, Quinn and Peterka for the foreseeable future.
Benson, Savoie, Rousek, Kulich will all play on the wing along with Tuch, Skinner, Quinn and Peterka for the foreseeable future.
As others have said this is insanity - look at the RFA trades recently for similar scoring, wingers and centers…aka compare recent Debrincat and Dubois trades ( Dubois even scored way less points but the trade value was higher given he’s a center) Now add in the fact that the center is almost a foot taller than the winger, and the same age. The center is extremely extremely much more valuable than the winger… The winger has not scored 50 goals yet, so that is all theoretical, the center scored 70 and can play defense and is a leader… would you trade a faster prime Ryan O’Reilly or getzlaff for Jeff Skinner at the same age? No one would… plus why does Buffalo need more forward, just think about this we have too many as it is! We can’t even fit high-end all rookie AHL team at 18 yo prospects into our lineup right now because we don’t have spots for them. We’re going to have to trade multiple pieces for one bigger piece at some point and that piece will be a defense likely. So this is just a ridiculous conversation to begin with.
We don’t
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