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P0ckets said:
I'm not saying pay anyone on the Avs 10.5 per season but yes the internal individual caphit that the Avs have set based on Duchene's number is a bit ridiculous. It's part of the reason why RoR is now on Buffalo...
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many teams including the Oilers had that.. Helps keep players egos in check and saves a club from breaking the back on player..

Oilers got Hall, Ebs, RNH and now Lucic for 6M.. Had Lucic made more he would have stood out of the crowd. Same goes with RNH or Eberle.. The core all making comparative amount is a good thing..

Eliminates .. "why are you looking at me when you are the one who makes the most" potential scenarios.
 
McFlyingV said:
I suppose. ROR's was only a 2 year offer though wasn't it? If they're worried about giving Barrie money over a 5 year term I wonder if that changes anything. I'm also sure they probably regret how things worked out with ROR so I'm a little surprised they're doing it again with Barrie.

Speaking of ROR, its too bad you guys didn't let him go in that deal. You would have had Monahan and the flames would have had nothing :laugh:
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Hindsight is always 20/20 but who's to say that RoR didn't help Calgary finish with a better record and finished with a lower draft pick.

It's an interesting situation, that's for sure...same agent too
 
P0ckets said:
I'm not saying pay anyone on the Avs 10.5 per season but yes the internal individual caphit that the Avs have set based on Duchene's number is a bit ridiculous. It's part of the reason why RoR is now on Buffalo...
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No ror created his very own cap 7,5m was it? And col refused to go there, but im very sure that they would go higher than 6m for the right person...
Hard to argue against guys like Toews and Kane when they both have 3SC's but 10,5m is gonna get you in trouble sooner or later... Yeah no player on the avs should see those numbers in their contract but I really think that ice hockey is a team sport and you gotta take some discount for the team so that the team can make you better by giving you better support aka better players around you. Fat paychecks feed fat paychecks and who knows if we had paid for ror7,5m and then barrie wants 7m and mack 8m that's kinda brutal
 
P0ckets said:
Hindsight is always 20/20 but who's to say that RoR didn't help Calgary finish with a better record and finished with a lower draft pick.

It's an interesting situation, that's for sure...same agent too
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Because Calgary couldn't have put him in the line-up without exposing him to waivers because he played in the KHL after the lockout had ended. That was the funny thing out of it all, Jay Feaster didn't do his homework and would have lost O'reilly for nothing while still having to give up the picks.
 
P0ckets said:
Probably because he's 7th in scoring among Dmen over the last two years and is only 24 years old.
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Great, then you should keep him and pay him what he's asking for. Why bother trading him for a replacement D? He's already a D and from Avs fans opinions on his trade value here, a fantastic one. Sounds like a guy you would be silly to trade away.

Keep him.
 
Avs44 said:
No, it was Terry Frei who said this:


Roy has never said a thing remotely close to that, and Frei is a hack. Roy giving Barrie the most even strength minutes out of any player on the Avs should debunk that idiocy from Frei alone.
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That reminds me of when Petry was "only a #5" on here, and in the media. If he's dealt, people will likely think Barrie broke out the same way Petry "broke out"
 
Draiskull said:
many teams including the Oilers had that.. Helps keep players egos in check and saves a club from breaking the back on player..

Oilers got Hall, Ebs, RNH and now Lucic for 6M.. Had Lucic made more he would have stood out of the crowd. Same goes with RNH or Eberle.. The core all making comparative amount is a good thing..

Eliminates .. "why are you looking at me when you are the one who makes the most" potential scenarios.
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I get that part, I don't necessarily agree with 100%, but I get it. Duchene signed his contract 3 years ago and since then player contracts and the cap have increased. So, if I'm a player and comparable players to me around the league are now making 6.5-7mil, why should I have to settle for 6mil because of a player who signed his contract 3 years ago who doesn't even play the same position I might add...that's all I'm saying.

In the grand scheme of things, I don't think Barrie should be making more than Duchene or EJ. I just don't like the idea of having an internal individual salary cap, let there be some flexibility even if it's small.
 
The Nuge said:
That reminds me of when Petry was "only a #5" on here, and in the media. If he's dealt, people will likely think Barrie broke out the same way Petry "broke out"
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Yep. In the same way O'Reilly went from being an okay second line centre to "haha stupid Avs traded a selke caliber top line forward!"
 
s7ark said:
Great, then you should keep him and pay him what he's asking for. Why bother trading him for a replacement D? He's already a D and from Avs fans opinions on his trade value here, a fantastic one. Sounds like a guy you would be silly to trade away.

Keep him.
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I agree, the Avs should keep him. I've never said I wanted to trade him...
 
McFlyingV said:
Because Calgary couldn't have put him in the line-up without exposing him to waivers because he played in the KHL after the lockout had ended. That was the funny thing out of it all, Jay Feaster didn't do his homework and would have lost O'reilly for nothing while still having to give up the picks.
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I forgot about that, that would have been hilarious if that actually happened.
 
s7ark said:
Great, then you should keep him and pay him what he's asking for. Why bother trading him for a replacement D? He's already a D and from Avs fans opinions on his trade value here, a fantastic one. Sounds like a guy you would be silly to trade away.

Keep him.
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:handclap:

Great minds think alike !!!

Problem is............all is not well in Denmar.............I mean Denver. He wants too much $$$$
 
A trade has to be made by tomorrow, right? If Barrie files for arbitration, isn't he not allowed to be traded until under contract? I guess the Avs could work out a sign and trade after he files, but I'm not sure we've ever seen that done before. It might mean we could see a late night Barrie deal....
 
Tanev for Barrie could be a good move, both right sided D man, Tanev is on a cheap contract. Canucks really lack that offensive threat from the back end, moving Tanev really hurts, he's probably the better D man but Barrie really adds something that our D doesn't have.
 
danielpalfredsson said:
A trade has to be made by tomorrow, right? If Barrie files for arbitration, isn't he not allowed to be traded until under contract? I guess the Avs could work out a sign and trade after he files, but I'm not sure we've ever seen that done before. It might mean we could see a late night Barrie deal....
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No, there's no such rule. Avs can trade him right up until the hearing actually begins.
 
McFlyingV said:
Because Calgary couldn't have put him in the line-up without exposing him to waivers because he played in the KHL after the lockout had ended. That was the funny thing out of it all, Jay Feaster didn't do his homework and would have lost O'reilly for nothing while still having to give up the picks.
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I actually think the league would have veto'ed the whole thing, tbh.
 
iFan said:
Tanev for Barrie could be a good move, both right sided D man, Tanev is on a cheap contract. Canucks really lack that offensive threat from the back end, moving Tanev really hurts, he's probably the better D man but Barrie really adds something that our D doesn't have.
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as an Oiler fan...do it Benning! the Canucks would get worse defensively for sure

and knowing the Sbisa and Dorsett contracts, Barrie would be licking his lips
 
McFlyingV said:
Because Calgary couldn't have put him in the line-up without exposing him to waivers because he played in the KHL after the lockout had ended. That was the funny thing out of it all, Jay Feaster didn't do his homework and would have lost O'reilly for nothing while still having to give up the picks.
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Not true.

The CBA was not finished when this happened and the language was not clear at all.

Daily said he would have had to go through waivers but if that went to an arbitrator the League would hAve lost for sure.

Feaster is a freaking lawyer, pretty sure he knows to do his homework when it comes to collective bargaining agreements.
 
Signed said:
They would have because its not reasonable for Feaster to do the offer sheet if he can just be snatched on waivers.

The league would have stepped in and awarded ROR to the Flames.
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We will never know for sure, but I cannot imagine them changing a rule in their CBA to save a GM from their dumb mistake. I think they would have made the whole offer sheet invalid.
 
MarleauApologist said:
We will never know for sure, but I cannot imagine them changing a rule in their CBA to save a GM from their dumb mistake. I think they would have made the whole offer sheet invalid.
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Legally can they start just vetoing stuff that's written in the CBA that both the NHL and NHLPA agree'd on?
 
Avs44 said:
Yep. In the same way O'Reilly went from being an okay second line centre to "haha stupid Avs traded a selke caliber top line forward!"
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Definitely. He'll put up 50 points with a new team and finish near the top 5 in defensive scoring and everyone will lose their minds about how good that Tyson Barrie is, and how he had such a breakout year.
 
Whatever Barrie is asking now might be COL's best bet... I really don't think him going to arbitration is going to help COL too much. The numbers seem to favor him pretty nicely
 
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