McKenzie: Moved: McKenzie: Oilers in on Barrie? (Moves by Colorado-- Merged)

[JimmyG89]

Just OS with a 7 year times 6.2m already and call it a day

So, everyone is cool with Barrie at an 8.68 per year cap hit? Cause that is what that becomes.

It's the total salary divided by the number of year OR buy 5, whichever is the smaller number.

Good luck matching that offer sheet or having it be offered.

 

[EdAVSfan]

So, everyone is cool with Barrie at an 8.68 per year cap hit? Cause that is what that becomes.

It's the total salary divided by the number of year OR buy 5, whichever is the smaller number.

Good luck matching that offer sheet or having it be offered.

Huh?

Are you suggesting that Barrie's cap hit becomes 8.68M in that scenario?

 

[Avs44]

So, everyone is cool with Barrie at an 8.68 per year cap hit? Cause that is what that becomes.

It's the total salary divided by the number of year OR buy 5, whichever is the smaller number.

Good luck matching that offer sheet or having it be offered.

That would not be the cap hit, that is just how the compensation for the offer-sheet is determined.

 

[Riptide]

Just OS with a 7 year times 6.2m already and call it a day

COL would match that. There's no way they'd take a 1st, 2nd & a 3rd as compensation. And does Barrie sign that? I mean what does he want?

6.2x7 =43.4m. Divide that by 5 (for OS compensation) and you get 8.68m - which is still under the limit to get 4x1st's.

 

[Golden Gophers 4649]

Eberle and a 1st should get it done.
Oilers need to be aware of how many players they need to protect.

Seriously, are the Avs going to play 5 forwards? You want their #1 defenseman for a winger and #1.

 

[HuGort]

Oilers should have went all in for Subban

 

[EdAVSfan]

Oilers should have went all in for Subban

And what dman would they have sent?

 

[BeastMode97]

And what dman would they have sent?

Reports that MTL was asking for Drai, 4th overall, Nurse/Klefbom and Yak are just ridiculous. Thats a reasonable asking price seeing as hes a top 10 dman in the league, but that would have been just stupid to pay from the Oilers perspective.

 

[Homesick]

I thought I explained this to you yesterday. You have now displayed that Barrie has played five professional years in the NHL. Did you look at the criteria for how a player becomes a UFA? Section 10.1, page 28.



Does that say professional experience seasons? Or accrued seasons? From Article 1, "Definitions," page 2.



If you want to go digging through the NHL CBA and find proof of where it states that an accrued season actually follows the same criteria as a professional season, feel free to do so. Until proven otherwise, I'll believe that the creators of the CBA did intend for there to be a difference in meaning between "accrued" and "professional" seasons.

Relax. I was just digging through regarding arbitration rules and recall something in there that was relevant to Barrie. I'm not sure why I bother opening that thing up with the stacks of code books on my desk sucker for punishment

 

[Bryanbryoil]

guessing you are asking to build a three way with Edmonton, cause the last thing the ducks need is D

Exactly.

Doesn't make much sense at seeing as how fowler will be UFA in 2 years, and the avs own the rights to Barrie for 3 more years.

In a year, fowler will be worth less with just 1 year to UFA whereas Barrie will still have great value with 2 RFA years remaining

But Fowler will likely cost $1.5-$2 million less and is probably the better defensive player. This is also assuming that Fowler wouldn't re-sign for something similar to what Barrie is asking for while giving you cap savings for the next 2 seasons.

Reports that MTL was asking for Drai, 4th overall, Nurse/Klefbom and Yak are just ridiculous. Thats a reasonable asking price seeing as hes a top 10 dman in the league, but that would have been just stupid to pay from the Oilers perspective.

Then on top of that PK had a whale of a cap hit. As much as we could've used PK that is not a deal that I'd make.

 

[Draiskull]

Oilers should have went all in for Subban

If only your GM wasnt so greedy... Would have been a win-win for both sides..

 

[Homesick]

Seriously, are the Avs going to play 5 forwards? You want their #1 defenseman for a winger and #1.

Who the hell brought up Eric Johnson or Francios Beauchemin?

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Oilers should have went all in for Subban

Believe it or not, many Oilers fans were fine with the rumored offer of Draisaitl + 4th overall. It would have hurt like hell, but it was ultimately doable.

However, that sort of went out the window as Bergevin piled on- he was rumored to want Oscar Klefbom on top of that, along with at least one more asset. Someone- I believe Rishaug- felt that meant the 2017 1st. And there was talk Edmonton would need to surrender even more than that.

That ask was totally within Montreal's right, but in the end it would have crippled Edmonton's cap position. Klefbom is one of the best value contracts on the team, Puljujarvi is on an ELC, Draisaitl will be for one more year. Then you remove the ability to add another possible NHL-caliber youngster next June, and you suddenly lose all flexibility.

Now, this summer, could the team have coped? Probably. I think the Hall trade still happens, so Edmonton's roster looks like this:

LUCIC ($6M) MCDAVID ($3M) EBERLE ($6M)
POULIOT ($4M) RNH ($6M) YAKUPOV ($2.5M)
MAROON ($1.5M) FREE AGENT (~$2.0M) FREE AGENT (~$2.0M)
HENDRICKS ($1.8M) LETESTU ($1.8M) KASSIAN ($1.8M)

SEKERA ($5.5M) SUBBAN ($9M)
FREE AGENT (~$4.5M) LARSSON ($4.2M)
DAVIDSON ($1.4M) FAYNE ($3.6M)

TALBOT ($4.2M)
GUSTAVSSON ($0.8M)

In sum total that's $71.6M- right under the cap before signing any sort of press box depth. You better hope Yak lives up to his potential, and the two FAs- say Santorelli and Pirri for argument's sake- do to.

Moving forward, I just don't see how it's reasonable to slot a McDavid extension in there and have any hope of a potent offence. It takes away from the best parts of the Edmonton roster without the means to replace those players now or in the future.

 

[TMLife*]

Believe it or not, many Oilers fans were fine with the rumored offer of Draisaitl + 4th overall. It would have hurt like hell, but it was ultimately doable.

No. Just no.

 

[Homesick]

Oilers should have went all in for Subban

We tried but your GM went for the player that Nashville fans have been saying is their 2nd pairing defenseman now behind Ekholm and Josi.....still would be our #1

 

[Rebuilt]

So, everyone is cool with Barrie at an 8.68 per year cap hit? Cause that is what that becomes.

It's the total salary divided by the number of year OR buy 5, whichever is the smaller number.

Good luck matching that offer sheet or having it be offered.

Yeah. I dont offer him a sheet from an Oiler POV.

I offer the Ducks 2 firsts a 2nd and 3rd for Lindholm though.

 

[Duck Off]

So what would Colorado fans think of Fowler as the return for Barrie assuming that the bad blood between management and Barrie/his agency it too much to overcome?

Pouliot + Yakupov + Oilers 1st in '17 may not be what Colorado wants for Barrie but Anaheim maybe interested in a package like that since they are thin on forwards and have some solid young D to step into their lineup.

zero interest in that deal for Fowler from me. Murray may see it different (God, I hope not), but that deal does not make us better. I'd rather trade with Detroit with something around Tatar than take that package.

 

[Ncit3]

I'd be fine with Fowler. Something around,

Anaheim:
Edm 1st (top 5 protected)
Pouliot


Colorado:
Fowler
Yakupov


Edmonton:
Barrie
Something from Anaheim.


There are definitely some boxes to fill in with the trade and some other pieces that will fall in (futures or picks). But I see it making all 3 teams better or put them financially in a better spot.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

I'd be fine with Fowler. Something around,

Anaheim:
Edm 1st (top 5 protected)
Pouliot


Colorado:
Fowler
Yakupov


Edmonton:
Barrie
Something from Anaheim.


There are definitely some boxes to fill in with the trade and some other pieces that will fall in (futures or picks). But I see it making all 3 teams better or put them financially in a better spot.

That really doesn't do anything for Anaheim, even if the pick was unprotected. They'd want- and be justified- in asking for Landeskog.

 

[Duck Off]

I'd be fine with Fowler. Something around,

Anaheim:
Edm 1st (top 5 protected)
Pouliot


Colorado:
Fowler
Yakupov


Edmonton:
Barrie
Something from Anaheim.


There are definitely some boxes to fill in with the trade and some other pieces that will fall in (futures or picks). But I see it making all 3 teams better or put them financially in a better spot.

a big hell no from Anaheim.

 

[Ncit3]

That really doesn't do anything for Anaheim, even if the pick was unprotected. They'd want- and be justified- in asking for Landeskog.

Kind of stupid to think that. The two similar players in this trade are Fowler and Barrie. Avs are already going to be losing Barrie in this so adding Landeskog is just dumb. Why Anaheim would be doing this is for financial room (Hampus Lindholm).

Yes there might be an add to Anaheim in the trade but Landeskog would require something like Silfverberg+. Even that is being generous to Silfverberg. I would think it'd be in the area of Rakell + a really good prospect.

 

[Avs44]

That really doesn't do anything for Anaheim, even if the pick was unprotected. They'd want- and be justified- in asking for Landeskog.

For Fowler? They can take a hike then.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Fowler is an inferior Dman to Barrie. Why on Earth would we make that trade?


Avs still hold all the cards. We're happy to hang onto him if we dont get an offer we like. In fact it sounds like even if we get an offer we like we probably still hang onto him.


It has to be a blow your socks off kind of offer for us to move him. He's our #2D, he's still very young and he has the potential to be a 60+ point Dman in the NHL. A very rare asset to have and even more rare to see one traded.

 

[Ncit3]

Fowler is an inferior Dman to Barrie. Why on Earth would we make that trade?


Avs still hold all the cards. We're happy to hang onto him if we dont get an offer we like. In fact it sounds like even if we get an offer we like we probably still hang onto him.


It has to be a blow your socks off kind of offer for us to move him. He's our #2D, he's still very young and he has the potential to be a 60+ point Dman in the NHL. A very rare asset to have and even more rare to see one traded.

All comes down to asset management. If we are afraid that Barrie is going to go to Arbitration and bolt after that, why not make a trade that makes sense for us now and in the future.

Fowler is better in his own zone than Barrie and by quite a bit. I'd still really like to sign Barrie but with his agency; I doubt very much that that will happen. Get a great haul or player for him now instead of an average one in a 1-2 years.

I can still hold my breath for Draisaitl but I feel like I will be holding it for a long long time.

 

[Rebuilt]

All comes down to asset management. If we are afraid that Barrie is going to go to Arbitration and bolt after that, why not make a trade that makes sense for us now and in the future.

Fowler is better in his own zone than Barrie and by quite a bit. I'd still really like to sign Barrie but with his agency; I doubt very much that that will happen. Get a great haul or player for him now instead of an average one in a 1-2 years.

I can still hold my breath for Draisaitl but I feel like I will be holding it for a long long time.

Yes, the rest of us figured this out long ago , and therefore the GMs did as well . Its the reason why Barrie is still an Avalanche.