Nathaniel Skywalker
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Injuries while leading the league in scoring 3 times
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More points this year? Crosby vs Bedard
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centipede2233
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Because of the health factor, I’d take Crosby, taking the health factor out, it’s a pickem
TheGuiminator
I’ll be damned King, I’ll be damned
The fact that he won an Art Ross at 19 suggests he’s definitely winning at least two more in his early 20s, but bad timing with injuries held him back.
Let’s not fool ourselves here.
authentic
Registered User
I’m not up to date with Chicago’s roster, who do they really got this year to help?
Luigi Lemieux
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Injuries obviously. Considering he lead the league in points per game six times.
Sidney the Kidney
One last time
That poster knows the answer, but he'll quickly dismiss it as just excuses. So I'm not sure why they bothered asking a question they knew the answer to and already disagreed with other than to take a dig at Crosby.
Faceboner
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Injuries and scoring environment will impact how great Crosby's legacy is viewed he got caught in an elongated dead puck era that didn't really begin to die until about 2018. I do think Crosby has Mr.Hockey 2.0 potential as he loves the sport so much I could see him playing another decade if he wanted his conditioning is great and takes off-season seriously also he is as competitive as ever. If there was ever a player to win cups past his prime age range it's Crosby just seems like a guy who wants his whole hand covered in rings I could see him winning one or 2 more while still being an impact full player in his 40's
Tasty Biscuits
with fancy sauce
Well it looks like Crosby's left winger to start the season will be...Anthony Beauvillier, so, advantage to Bedard so far.
Crow
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Compared to last year, teravainen, bertuzzi, and hall presumably won’t miss the whole the season. Ilya Mikhehev to a lesser extent. Some prospects got more seasoning as well - nazar, reichel, dach might make an impact. They will still be bad just not lacking nhl talent like they were last year.
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wetcoast
Registered User
Taylor Hall is healthy and Bertuzzi is on the other wing.
I know they aren't great at this point but it's still an upgrade from last year.
authentic
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I don’t know Crosby is a top 5 player of all time or 6 once McDavid is done, even with the injuries. I don’t believe many are projecting a top 10 career for Bedard.
My first instinct was to laugh but you’re correct that is better than what he had for most of last season.
hamzarocks
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Also got Teurovinen who had 50+ pts last year and should get 55-60 pts for the hawks this year
I think they have the best chance at chemistry. Both super smart east west guys with hands, vision, and poise. Could be similar to when Chicago had Panarin and Kane.
I don't think Hall is a good fit at all for Bedard, seeing how Hall likes to fly the zone, which is what Bedard does a lot as well.
hamzarocks
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Yeah some more nice options for the hawks. Bedard should be better this year, though I dont see a generational talent anymore, but still a franchise player who can be like kucherov and compete for the major awards against the best in the league when he enters his prime years in his mid 20s
The 2023/2024 hawks team was almost talentless, with a bunch of 4th line plugs and random AHL/13th skater type guys getting extended looks due to an obvious tank job attempt by the hawks
This years team should be a bad but not historically awful team, especially defensively like the 2024 hawks.
Reichel if he can break in and be a top 6 player would he huge for the hawks. Had a terrible year last season, and he could be passed up the hawks depth chart as more younger prospects enter the NHL system in a year or two
Nathaniel Skywalker
DIG IN!!! RiGHT NOW!!!
Going to try to watch a lot of hawks games this season. Wanna see bedards evolution
Here's a list of active forwards that finished top-3 in Calder votes, and their respective production change in their sophomore season. If there was a game played discrepancy, I used point pace when. I also ingored goals/assist ratios as this poll is purely about points.
McDavid - Big improvement
Beniers - Big drop
Pettersson - About the same
Kaprizov - Big improvement
Barzal - Big drop
Matthews - Moderate Improvement
Panarin - About the same
MacKinnon - Big drop
Huberdeau - Big drop
Landeskog - Big drop
Skinner - Slight drop
P.Kane - About the same
Malkin - Big improvement
Ovechkin - Slight drop
Crosby - Big improvement
J.Staal - Big drop
Toews - About the same
Duchene - Moderate Improvement
Couture - About the same
Nugent-Hopkins - Big drop
Stone - About the same
Gaudreau - Moderate Improvement
Laine - About the same
Keller - Big drop
Boeser - About the same
Robertson - Moderate Improvement
Zegras - About the same
Many think a huge improvement is basically a given, but it really isn't. I think Bedard's point totals will be way higher as he missed 14 games, but I don't think his pace will be a massive improvement. I'm going to go with 85 for Bedard (~15% increase from last year) and 87 for Sid (~7% decrease from last year). Super close and could go other way - but I voted Sid.
Good poll OP
Edit: Im an idiot and forgot McDavid. Added. lol
McDavid - Big improvement
Beniers - Big drop
Pettersson - About the same
Kaprizov - Big improvement
Barzal - Big drop
Matthews - Moderate Improvement
Panarin - About the same
MacKinnon - Big drop
Huberdeau - Big drop
Landeskog - Big drop
Skinner - Slight drop
P.Kane - About the same
Malkin - Big improvement
Ovechkin - Slight drop
Crosby - Big improvement
J.Staal - Big drop
Toews - About the same
Duchene - Moderate Improvement
Couture - About the same
Nugent-Hopkins - Big drop
Stone - About the same
Gaudreau - Moderate Improvement
Laine - About the same
Keller - Big drop
Boeser - About the same
Robertson - Moderate Improvement
Zegras - About the same
Many think a huge improvement is basically a given, but it really isn't. I think Bedard's point totals will be way higher as he missed 14 games, but I don't think his pace will be a massive improvement. I'm going to go with 85 for Bedard (~15% increase from last year) and 87 for Sid (~7% decrease from last year). Super close and could go other way - but I voted Sid.
Good poll OP
Edit: Im an idiot and forgot McDavid. Added. lol
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At the midpoint of the season, Crosby is in the lead, as most expected. He is currently projected to win by 12 points.
Crosby 42gp 11g 44p (86 point pace)
Bedard 41gp 11g 37p (74 point pace)
Bedard is a fair bit behind where many projected him to be this year, but he's been heating up lately, so it's still pretty much anyone's game IMO.
I believe I projected Bedard to be around 80-85 points - I still think that's very doable. It wouldn't shock me to see Sid break 90, I think I had him at 85-90 prior to the season.
Might have gotten a bit ambitious on that one lol.
Crosby 42gp 11g 44p (86 point pace)
Bedard 41gp 11g 37p (74 point pace)
Bedard is a fair bit behind where many projected him to be this year, but he's been heating up lately, so it's still pretty much anyone's game IMO.
I believe I projected Bedard to be around 80-85 points - I still think that's very doable. It wouldn't shock me to see Sid break 90, I think I had him at 85-90 prior to the season.
Might have gotten a bit ambitious on that one lol.
Bedard's on an 8 game point streak right now so he does look to be trending up, but he'll have his work cut out for him if he wants to catch up to Crosby. I honestly was hoping for more from him this season but he seems to be doing better with the coach change.
Voight
#winning
Or losing one to Jamie Been.
SomeDude
Registered User
He played 5 less games otherwise would have beat him.
Benn led the entire NHL that year with 87 pts. Goes to show how drastically scoring is up in the last decade.
Hawkaholic
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Too bad his previous coach held him back so much, but cool to see where he would be with the current coach at the helm the entire year.
Video Nasty
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Crosby finished behind Benn the following season as well. He also got annihilated by Kane.
It’s also never mentioned, but if you’re going to give Crosby that benefit of a doubt, well Seguin would be right there with 82 games as well. Crosby had multiple stretches that season where he wouldn’t have picked up the required 4 points in 5 games needed to win outright, so I’ve never felt comfortable about auto-gifting him this trophy with more games played.
Doesn’t matter what the raw total is. Losing to players like Benn twice and Tavares has a different stink on it than Kucherov and MacKinnon.
Sometimes you have to call it what it was. Losing to these players and never winning another scoring race after the so-called dominance of 2013-2014 was an unexpected disappointment. We don’t need to deflect by talking about raw point totals too high or too low. If Crosby didn’t have these bizarre blemishes on his resume, there would be little reason to harp on why he is given such an extreme benefit of a doubt and infinite grace period.
Beau Knows
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Looks like it should be close. Both players have been heating up lately.
Bedard has a great shot to get his first point per game season, but it Crosby can get to like 90+ that might be tough for him to match.
I'm hoping this is the start of Bedard really taking off and putting up some 100 point seasons and eventually competing for the scoring title.
Bedard has a great shot to get his first point per game season, but it Crosby can get to like 90+ that might be tough for him to match.
I'm hoping this is the start of Bedard really taking off and putting up some 100 point seasons and eventually competing for the scoring title.
wetcoast
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Sure as I probably expected some decent help for him at the time I wrote it.
Mind you I thought Michkov would get 70 points quite easily as well but then that's not going to happen either.
