More points this year? Crosby vs Bedard

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

What’s Crosby’s excuse for winning one Art Ross past the age of 19?

Injuries while leading the league in scoring 3 times

 

[centipede2233]

Bedard hit 61 points, at 18, while missing 14 games and playing on an awful team.

If he plays a full season I think he could hit 90 points.

Crosby should be good for 85-90 this year.

It'll come down to health but I expect very similar PPG.

Because of the health factor, I’d take Crosby, taking the health factor out, it’s a pickem

 

[TheGuiminator]

What’s Crosby’s excuse for winning one Art Ross past the age of 19?

The fact that he won an Art Ross at 19 suggests he’s definitely winning at least two more in his early 20s, but bad timing with injuries held him back.

Let’s not fool ourselves here.

 

[authentic]

I took Crosby in this poll but the more I think about the more I think that Bedard will take off this year and end up with 50ish goals and 110ish points.

The lack of support last year and physical immaturity (lack of being a top 5% skater) really obscures for some on how good he really is.

I’m not up to date with Chicago’s roster, who do they really got this year to help?

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

What’s Crosby’s excuse for winning one Art Ross past the age of 19?

Injuries obviously. Considering he lead the league in points per game six times.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

The fact that he won an Art Ross at 19 suggests he’s definitely winning at least two more in his early 20s, but bad timing with injuries held him back.

Let’s not fool ourselves here.

Injuries while leading the league in scoring 3 times

That poster knows the answer, but he'll quickly dismiss it as just excuses. So I'm not sure why they bothered asking a question they knew the answer to and already disagreed with other than to take a dig at Crosby.

 

[Faceboner]

Injuries and scoring environment will impact how great Crosby's legacy is viewed he got caught in an elongated dead puck era that didn't really begin to die until about 2018. I do think Crosby has Mr.Hockey 2.0 potential as he loves the sport so much I could see him playing another decade if he wanted his conditioning is great and takes off-season seriously also he is as competitive as ever. If there was ever a player to win cups past his prime age range it's Crosby just seems like a guy who wants his whole hand covered in rings I could see him winning one or 2 more while still being an impact full player in his 40's

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

Well it looks like Crosby's left winger to start the season will be...Anthony Beauvillier, so, advantage to Bedard so far.

 

[Crow]

I’m not up to date with Chicago’s roster, who do they really got this year to help?

Compared to last year, teravainen, bertuzzi, and hall presumably won’t miss the whole the season. Ilya Mikhehev to a lesser extent. Some prospects got more seasoning as well - nazar, reichel, dach might make an impact. They will still be bad just not lacking nhl talent like they were last year.

 

[wetcoast]

I’m not up to date with Chicago’s roster, who do they really got this year to help?

Taylor Hall is healthy and Bertuzzi is on the other wing.

I know they aren't great at this point but it's still an upgrade from last year.

 

[authentic]

Because of the health factor, I’d take Crosby, taking the health factor out, it’s a pickem

I don’t know Crosby is a top 5 player of all time or 6 once McDavid is done, even with the injuries. I don’t believe many are projecting a top 10 career for Bedard.

Taylor Hall is healthy and Bertuzzi is on the other wing.

I know they aren't great at this point but it's still an upgrade from last year.

My first instinct was to laugh but you’re correct that is better than what he had for most of last season.

 

[hamzarocks]

I don’t know Crosby is a top 5 player of all time or 6 once McDavid is done, even with the injuries. I don’t believe many are projecting a top 10 career for Bedard.



My first instinct was to laugh but you’re correct that is better than what he had for most of last season.

Also got Teurovinen who had 50+ pts last year and should get 55-60 pts for the hawks this year

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Also got Teurovinen who had 50+ pts last year and should get 55-60 pts for the hawks this year

I think they have the best chance at chemistry. Both super smart east west guys with hands, vision, and poise. Could be similar to when Chicago had Panarin and Kane.

I don't think Hall is a good fit at all for Bedard, seeing how Hall likes to fly the zone, which is what Bedard does a lot as well.

 

[hamzarocks]

I think they have the best chance at chemistry. Both super smart east west guys with hands, vision, and poise. Could be similar to when Chicago had Panarin and Kane.

Yeah some more nice options for the hawks. Bedard should be better this year, though I dont see a generational talent anymore, but still a franchise player who can be like kucherov and compete for the major awards against the best in the league when he enters his prime years in his mid 20s

The 2023/2024 hawks team was almost talentless, with a bunch of 4th line plugs and random AHL/13th skater type guys getting extended looks due to an obvious tank job attempt by the hawks

This years team should be a bad but not historically awful team, especially defensively like the 2024 hawks.

Reichel if he can break in and be a top 6 player would he huge for the hawks. Had a terrible year last season, and he could be passed up the hawks depth chart as more younger prospects enter the NHL system in a year or two

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Going to try to watch a lot of hawks games this season. Wanna see bedards evolution

 

[Dust]

I think it's close but Crosby ekes it out, 90 to 85.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Here's a list of active forwards that finished top-3 in Calder votes, and their respective production change in their sophomore season. If there was a game played discrepancy, I used point pace when. I also ingored goals/assist ratios as this poll is purely about points.

McDavid - Big improvement
Beniers - Big drop
Pettersson - About the same
Kaprizov - Big improvement
Barzal - Big drop
Matthews - Moderate Improvement
Panarin - About the same
MacKinnon - Big drop
Huberdeau - Big drop
Landeskog - Big drop
Skinner - Slight drop
P.Kane - About the same
Malkin - Big improvement
Ovechkin - Slight drop
Crosby - Big improvement
J.Staal - Big drop
Toews - About the same
Duchene - Moderate Improvement
Couture - About the same
Nugent-Hopkins - Big drop
Stone - About the same
Gaudreau - Moderate Improvement
Laine - About the same
Keller - Big drop
Boeser - About the same
Robertson - Moderate Improvement
Zegras - About the same

Many think a huge improvement is basically a given, but it really isn't. I think Bedard's point totals will be way higher as he missed 14 games, but I don't think his pace will be a massive improvement. I'm going to go with 85 for Bedard (~15% increase from last year) and 87 for Sid (~7% decrease from last year). Super close and could go other way - but I voted Sid.

Good poll OP

Edit: Im an idiot and forgot McDavid. Added. lol