More points this year? Crosby vs Bedard

[Regal]

I also think its time to get a much higher flex on his stick. He is not in junior anymore and that whippy wrister needs to get stiffer imo. I believe he is using a 65-70 F? That is for a kid. Bare minimum he should use is 85 imo

There was an article at the start of the year where he said he tried a 75 in the summer and didn’t like it, but he’s using low 70s this year. I think Gaudreau and Kessel were under 70, but it’s not common for NHLers to be under 80

 

[authentic]

The 2014/2015 & 2015/2016 seasons are the reason why I very much doubt Crosby could’ve sustained his 2011-2013 pace over the whole season.

Crosby 2010/2011: 66p/41g=1.61
Crosby 2011/2012: 37/22‎ = 1.682
Crosby 2013: 56/36‎ = 1.556
Crosby 2014: 104/80‎ = 1.3
Crosby 2015: 84/77‎ = 1.0909
Crosby 2016: 85/80‎ = 1.0625

League scoring averages: GPG
2011: 2.73
2012: 2.66
2013: 2.65
2014: 2.67
2015: 2.66
2016: 2.67

The league-wide scoring has barely changed, but Crosby’s PPG has decreased massively in the actual full seasons he played. Even in his amazing 2014 season, 1.3 is still a huge dip from the 1.61 he was pacing in 2011 & 1.68 in 2012. It’s not like his injuries completely changed him, like the leg injury completely changed Stamkos skating and acceleration.

If we define an NHL athletes peak from 23-27, the drop in Crosby’s production shouldn’t have been that massive. Crosby was 27 in 2015, very much in his peak. The drop from 132 point pace in 2011 to a 89 point pace in 2015 at age 27 just doesn’t add up. Or how about 127 pace in 2013 to 89 in 2015. The scoring hasn’t changed at all, but in two years Crosby’s production massively falls off?. Shows how his pace wasn’t sustainable.


I don’t understand how Crosby is given full credit for a level of play he wasn’t able to show for an entire season. I believe that 2013-2014 was actually the absolute peak level Crosby could have accomplished. Before I get flamed by Pens fans, Crosby is still a top five player all time(for now) despite the injuries.

So the two seasons immediately following a wrist injury that didn’t heal until 6 years later are good reasons to write off his peak level of play?

 

[Offtheboard412]

So the two seasons immediately following a wrist injury that didn’t heal until 6 years later are good reasons to write off his peak level of play?

Also ignoring the fact that Crosby's injuries did in fact change his style of play. He went from a 50+ goal scoring pace to a 30-35 goal pace. Or that simply looking at league goals per game is not telling the entire story. 13/14 through 16/17 was not the same league as 10/11 even if the goals per games weren't too far off. Anyone who watched Crosby play in 10/11 and 13/14 would tell you he wasn't on the same level in the latter season. He didn't need to finish with his projected pace in 10/11 for that to be an extremely impressive season. If he finished that year with 120 points (I think a pretty reasonable projection given he had been at an 110 point pace for 3 years before that and had hit another level during the last ~50 games + playoffs in 09/10) it would still have been an incredible season. If he had managed to hit 60 goals even more so.