More points this year? Crosby vs Bedard

[Fledgemyhedge]

Man I’d probably take Crosby next year too. Bedards been a little disappointing

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Crosby finished behind Benn the following season as well. He also got annihilated by Kane.

It’s also never mentioned, but if you’re going to give Crosby that benefit of a doubt, well Seguin would be right there with 82 games as well. Crosby had multiple stretches that season where he wouldn’t have picked up the required 4 points in 5 games needed to win outright, so I’ve never felt comfortable about auto-gifting him this trophy with more games played.

Doesn’t matter what the raw total is. Losing to players like Benn twice and Tavares has a different stink on it than Kucherov and MacKinnon.

Sometimes you have to call it what it was. Losing to these players and never winning another scoring race after the so-called dominance of 2013-2014 was an unexpected disappointment. We don’t need to deflect by talking about raw point totals too high or too low. If Crosby didn’t have these bizarre blemishes on his resume, there would be little reason to harp on why he is given such an extreme benefit of a doubt and infinite grace period.

Almost like playing on the Dallas Stars under Ruff helped guys complete for the scoring title when they would be nowhere close otherwise.

And this is what happens when you are too focused on trophies. I think Crosby led he league in ppg under Sullivan in 2016. He just spent the first 30 games sandbagging to get the coach fired. But it all worked out, the Penguins won the cup.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Were more than 50% through the season and mcdavid at 28 is 11 points up on a 37 year old crosby. That should be concerning oiler fans. Also getting outscored by marner and lol.... Rantanen

 

[TheLegend27]

Crosby finished behind Benn the following season as well. He also got annihilated by Kane.

It’s also never mentioned, but if you’re going to give Crosby that benefit of a doubt, well Seguin would be right there with 82 games as well. Crosby had multiple stretches that season where he wouldn’t have picked up the required 4 points in 5 games needed to win outright, so I’ve never felt comfortable about auto-gifting him this trophy with more games played.

Doesn’t matter what the raw total is. Losing to players like Benn twice and Tavares has a different stink on it than Kucherov and MacKinnon.

Sometimes you have to call it what it was. Losing to these players and never winning another scoring race after the so-called dominance of 2013-2014 was an unexpected disappointment. We don’t need to deflect by talking about raw point totals too high or too low. If Crosby didn’t have these bizarre blemishes on his resume, there would be little reason to harp on why he is given such an extreme benefit of a doubt and infinite grace period.

The 2014/2015 & 2015/2016 seasons are the reason why I very much doubt Crosby could’ve sustained his 2011-2013 pace over the whole season.

Crosby 2010/2011: 66p/41g=1.61
Crosby 2011/2012: 37/22‎ = 1.682
Crosby 2013: 56/36‎ = 1.556
Crosby 2014: 104/80‎ = 1.3
Crosby 2015: 84/77‎ = 1.0909
Crosby 2016: 85/80‎ = 1.0625

League scoring averages: GPG
2011: 2.73
2012: 2.66
2013: 2.65
2014: 2.67
2015: 2.66
2016: 2.67

The league-wide scoring has barely changed, but Crosby’s PPG has decreased massively in the actual full seasons he played. Even in his amazing 2014 season, 1.3 is still a huge dip from the 1.61 he was pacing in 2011 & 1.68 in 2012. It’s not like his injuries completely changed him, like the leg injury completely changed Stamkos skating and acceleration.

If we define an NHL athletes peak from 23-27, the drop in Crosby’s production shouldn’t have been that massive. Crosby was 27 in 2015, very much in his peak. The drop from 132 point pace in 2011 to a 89 point pace in 2015 at age 27 just doesn’t add up. Or how about 127 pace in 2013 to 89 in 2015. The scoring hasn’t changed at all, but in two years Crosby’s production massively falls off?. Shows how his pace wasn’t sustainable.


I don’t understand how Crosby is given full credit for a level of play he wasn’t able to show for an entire season. I believe that 2013-2014 was actually the absolute peak level Crosby could have accomplished. Before I get flamed by Pens fans, Crosby is still a top five player all time(for now) despite the injuries.