There was an article at the start of the year where he said he tried a 75 in the summer and didn’t like it, but he’s using low 70s this year. I think Gaudreau and Kessel were under 70, but it’s not common for NHLers to be under 80
More Points this Year Crosby vs Bedard
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There was an article at the start of the year where he said he tried a 75 in the summer and didn’t like it, but he’s using low 70s this year. I think Gaudreau and Kessel were under 70, but it’s not common for NHLers to be under 80
So the two seasons immediately following a wrist injury that didn’t heal until 6 years later are good reasons to write off his peak level of play?
Also ignoring the fact that Crosby's injuries did in fact change his style of play. He went from a 50+ goal scoring pace to a 30-35 goal pace. Or that simply looking at league goals per game is not telling the entire story. 13/14 through 16/17 was not the same league as 10/11 even if the goals per games weren't too far off. Anyone who watched Crosby play in 10/11 and 13/14 would tell you he wasn't on the same level in the latter season. He didn't need to finish with his projected pace in 10/11 for that to be an extremely impressive season. If he finished that year with 120 points (I think a pretty reasonable projection given he had been at an 110 point pace for 3 years before that and had hit another level during the last ~50 games + playoffs in 09/10) it would still have been an incredible season. If he had managed to hit 60 goals even more so.
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Crosby never showcased he was a 50 goal scorer prior to his injuries. The only time he scored 50 was in a higher scoring 2009-2010. Then after his 2010-2011 injury, he posted 8 goals in 22 the following year, and 15 in 36 games in 2012-2013. Both seasons were before the wrist injury excuse, and both weren’t even close to 50 goal pace. How did his concussion/neck injury affect his goal scoring by such a significant margin?. Maybe it’s more reasonable to say that 2009-2010 & 2010-2011 were outlier goal scoring years for Crosby that he wouldn’t be able to replicate even without the injuries.
How did they? By not going to the dirty areas as much or driving the net as much, etc. An overall less aggressive style of play even if he was still dominating until late in the 2013-14 season. Really watch Crosby play at the end of 2009-10 and 10-11, that was the best Crosby that ever existed and truthfully he probably had another level to hit or atleast would’ve maintained that for several solid full seasons. This isn’t the same as giving him credit for actually doing it btw, it’s just recognizing the type of talent he was while not completely writing off the dominance he displayed for a short period of time.
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Have never seen any other player get so much mileage out of a 25 game hot streak that ended a couple games prior to getting concussed.
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You've gotten plenty of mileage bitching about it constantly
As an update, Crosby is now up to 65 points through 61 games, only 2 points behind Bedard's 82 game pace of 67 points (49 points through 60gp.
Not nearly as close as I expected.
Not nearly as close as I expected.
the valiant effort
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Crosby now has more ES points than Bedard has in total, nearly double Bedard's ES totals.
Crosby
71gp 25g 79p
58 ES points
Bedard
72gp 20g 56p
30 ES points
I'm shocked by how much of a runaway this has become. Before the four nations, Bedard was only 9 points back, but he struggled immensely upon returning, scoring just 3 points in his first 12 games back.
They've since moved him to wing, where he looks to be getting some swagger back. But he's still 6th on the team in scoring since the break. That's just unacceptable for a player of his caliber on a team that's so little talent.
I know I keep saying it, but I do think things will improve for him soon. He's looked much better the last 6-7 games after being moved to wing, but it still hasn't manifested on the scoresheet at ES. He has only 1 ES point in his last 8 games and 4 in his last 19.
Crosby
71gp 25g 79p
58 ES points
Bedard
72gp 20g 56p
30 ES points
I'm shocked by how much of a runaway this has become. Before the four nations, Bedard was only 9 points back, but he struggled immensely upon returning, scoring just 3 points in his first 12 games back.
They've since moved him to wing, where he looks to be getting some swagger back. But he's still 6th on the team in scoring since the break. That's just unacceptable for a player of his caliber on a team that's so little talent.
I know I keep saying it, but I do think things will improve for him soon. He's looked much better the last 6-7 games after being moved to wing, but it still hasn't manifested on the scoresheet at ES. He has only 1 ES point in his last 8 games and 4 in his last 19.
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Watching him in person shows you a lot about his game. He's got great playmaking vision but his skating needs to improve a lot. I don't care what those asinine NHL Edge skating stats say, he's not very fast, he's not very quick. He doesn't make time and space for himself like Kane did.
Now, NONE of this is helped by the fact the Hawks team is very bad. Opps are able to key in on him and that shuts down a lot of opportunities before they even open up. As the Hawks get better, so will Bedard. When more ice opens up for him I think he'll explode with production but until then he's a small player who isn't skating well enough to force his presence on the ice.
Now, NONE of this is helped by the fact the Hawks team is very bad. Opps are able to key in on him and that shuts down a lot of opportunities before they even open up. As the Hawks get better, so will Bedard. When more ice opens up for him I think he'll explode with production but until then he's a small player who isn't skating well enough to force his presence on the ice.
Perhaps he takes off in his 3rd season. Overall disappointing year for him.
You would have thought so, but he's the leading 5v5 scorer in the league lol.
What an incredible player.
Tied for 7th in ES points with 59, right on McDavid’s heels who has 61. What are the stats for 5vs5 exclusively?
100%.
Weirdly enough he's gotten basically no points benefit from the pens PP going from 15 --> 25% tho
Crow
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That 19 year old just got burnt so bad (again!!) by internet hype and media warrior whiskeyourthedevils yet again. I wonder what it’s like to spend all your time online hating on a 19 year old kid.
TheGuiminator
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Bedard is definitely overhyped and overrated. He’s a John Tavares level player : a good to great career ahead of him, but nowhere near the generational talent he was billed as.
It’s pretty laughable to compare him to Crosby at this point. Crosby is pushing 40 and is still miles ahead of Bedard.
It’s pretty laughable to compare him to Crosby at this point. Crosby is pushing 40 and is still miles ahead of Bedard.
I wonder if anyone Crosby’s age ever led the NHL in 5vs5 points? May be even more telling in some ways than ES as empty nets are excluded, and 3 on 3.
Pretty sad how much some of you Hawks fans obsess about me.
I get it, you don't think he deserves criticism. But he has not been good since the four nations and the excuses no longer hold water. That's not being a hater, it's reality.
I wouldn't know. I started this thread thinking Bedard would score 85 points this year. Somehow that's got me living in your head rent free.
Ignore button is right there.
Crow
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lol. You seem to be on some weird internet crusade against a 19 year old, and I’m obsessed with you, because I see your strange posts and reply once in a while.
Ok guy.
If you disagree with my posts, you can either ignore them, or state your disagreement. That's how normal, well adjusted adults converse.
Instead, you decided to discuss me instead of the topic.
