Value of: Montreal Offer-Sheeting Marner or Matthews

[DanM]

I generally agree with you and doubt Mathews would want to go to the Coyotes and feel that the "hometown" impact is greatly over rated. I simply don't understand those who are completely dismissive of it being an option. Especially, when the Leafs benefited from it this summer.

I get what you are saying. I don't see it happening, but it could have a small chance to happen. We benefitted from it this summer, but JT came home to Toronto, which is so different than going home to Arizona.

But you are right, maybe it shouldn't be completely dismissed.

 

[Yamazaki]

How would this process work?

Could Montreal offer Matthews 14x7 and Marner 12x7, and take whomever the Leafs can't match (because they can't match both)

Is there a rule saying you can't do it that way? Is there a way for the Leafs to dodge that?

I feel like Montreal >HAS< to offer-sheet Matthews specifically; Weber and Price are signed long term and this team needs to be winning now.

Lol sounds like a habs fans wet dream. I think You have to consider if the players would want to play for an organization that’s terrible at developing players, has terrible management and coach and overall not a very good team like the habs.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

funny how Leafs fans dismiss the option of Mathews going "home" but point to Tavares taking less money to go home.

I really don't know if the Coyotes are truly that appealing. But how's this scenario. Matthews gets a 15 X 7 offer sheet with the Coyotes. He takes it to the Leafs (unsigned) which the Leaf maybe can't match. Matthews offers the Leafs one alternative, 11m X 4 years. Leafs accept cause they get Matthews for four years for a four Cup runs. Matthews takes the deal cause it can solidify his NHL career playing with a real good team in a real hockey market. In four years he's a UFA and he can sign for 15m or so with Rangers and California team, Chicago or maybe even the Leafs.

 

[DanM]

The Habs offersheeting Matthews would be highly entertaining. I think it would take 7 years and 98 million to get it done though. Is that amount of cap space - coupled with 4 first round picks as compensation - worth it? I’m not so sure, but it would be highly entertaining to see these boards explode.

Oh man! between these two teams, the boards and computers would explode lol

 

[Jared Dunn]

He could have went looking for one. Teams were clearly interested. But he didn't.

This is just a pipe dream from Habs fans who are scared about the Leafs being contenders.

Yeah I think it's definitely more that teams with the cap space didn't want to give up multiple picks including a possible lottery pick also definitely don't think that RFA negotiations go down that way lol

 

[smack66]

I get what you are saying. I don't see it happening, but it could have a small chance to happen. We benefitted from it this summer, but JT came home to Toronto, which is so different than going home to Arizona.

But you are right, maybe it shouldn't be completely dismissed.

Bruins fan and Leafs fan agreeing is a sure sign of the pending apocalypse...

 

[kevsh]

Keep fantasizing that Matthews would sign an offer sheet anywhere else, especially Arizona.

He's as competitive as they get and when he looks around and sees Tavares, Marner, Reilly, Andersen, Nylander, Kadri, etc. in his locker room, he knows this is one of the few teams that gives him a legit shot at winning a Cup. He may hate the winter but he loves winning.

 

[34]

wich is what i think like i mentioned, but 100% arizona offersheets matthews if it gets there.

For sure Arizona would, but Dubas will have Matthews under lock and key way before that.

 

[Mackiaveli]

The Habs offersheeting Matthews would be highly entertaining. I think it would take 7 years and 98 million to get it done though. Is that amount of cap space - coupled with 4 first round picks as compensation - worth it? I’m not so sure, but it would be highly entertaining to see these boards explode.

I'd do it.

You can bet your bottom dollar he is already working on both Mitch’s and Matty’s contract extensions right now as we speak. Dubas is not going to **** around with those!

I would be surprised if they don't try to lowball Mitch. If the kid is smart, he will wait out until the end of the season and go from there. If his ask isn't 10+, he's doing it wrong.

Matthews on the other hand, just give him 12 and call it a day.

 

[DanM]

Lol sounds like a habs fans wet dream. I think You have to consider if the players would want to play for an organization that’s terrible at developing players, has terrible management and coach and overall not a very good team like the habs.

The Habs are a historic franchise, with amazing die hard fans, and amazing tradition. I could see that happening before him going to the Yotes.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Exactly. You got it.

You have to think Dubas learnt from this entire Nylander fiasco. No way in hell he is letting Marner or Matthews come anywhere near July 1st!

You can bet your bottom dollar he is already working on both Mitch’s and Matty’s contract extensions right now as we speak. Dubas is not going to **** around with those!

Nylander, I think, was a calculated risk to see if he could squeeze some extra cap space out of his first RFA to make room for the two marquee guys in summer 2019.

Nylander was having none of it, and neither will marners or Matthews camps.

Both kids will get what they deserve, my guess is some where between 21-23 combined for the pair.

 

[DanM]

Bruins fan and Leafs fan agreeing is a sure sign of the pending apocalypse...

LMAO!! I agree, to my bunker I go

 

[Mackiaveli]

Tavares, Marner, Reilly, Andersen, Nylander, Kadri, etc. in his locker room, he knows this is one of the few teams that gives him a legit shot at winning a Cup.

The problem with the Leafs is that this year is their best chance at winning. If they don't make it to the ECF, that should show the team where they sit.

They will not be able to re-up Morgan when the time comes; and unless Freddy plays legitimately out of his mind they don't have the defensive group to beat a team that can bring it to them offensively. I don't see how Toronto beats Tampa in a 7 game series without Freddy playing impeccably. If Rask plays well, I don't see how they beat Boston.

Leafs are a real threat, and have the best offensive group in the League, but their defense is bad and only getting worse; it just doesn't look as bad because Freddy has been ridiculous this year.

 

[HOPE]

For sure Arizona would, but Dubas will have Matthews under lock and key way before that.

exacly but it will end up with a blank check and the caphit will show how much winning is important to him, i wouldn't blame him either way.

If he realy wants to win he goes for tavares money, if he cares about money only he'll go mcdavid or above!

 

[34]

Nylander, I think, was a calculated risk to see if he could squeeze some extra cap space out of his first RFA to make room for the two marquee guys in summer 2019.

Nylander was having none of it, and neither will marners or Matthews camps.

Both kids will get what they deserve, my guess is some where between 21-23 combined for the pair.

For sure, Matthews and Marner are going to get paid.

This being said, I am almost confident you will see Marleau’s $6.25M Cap hit with one year left “disappear” after this season is done. That pretty much covers Nylander’s cap hit...give or take.

 

[HOPE]

this thread is useless tho Montreal would never offersheet neither.

 

[topshelf15]

The cost both in cap and in future draft picks,really dont make an offer sheet to elite players like the OP is suggesting plausible

 

[Pyrophorus]

Doesn't necessarily have to be Arizona. Las Vegas/Anaheim/LA/San Jose all are desirable destinations for a kid who grew up in the desert

How many have the upfront money again?

 

[34]

exacly but it will end up with a blank check and the caphit will show how much winning is important to him, i wouldn't blame him either way.

If he realy wants to win he goes for tavares money, if he cares about money only he'll go mcdavid or above!

You know what, I think Matthews is going to sign for $11M AAV @ 8 years. That contract is going to come with the “C” on his sweater.

 

[Frank Drebin]

How many have the upfront money again?

Again, no idea. Offer sheets don't have to be signing bonus heavy, do they?

 

[Mackiaveli]

Lol sounds like a habs fans wet dream. I think You have to consider if the players would want to play for an organization that’s terrible at developing players, has terrible management and coach and overall not a very good team like the habs.

I think Julien is a good coach.

But you have to consider that Q is still available, and Bergevin and Q have a great friendship --- wouldn't be out of the question if we don't make the playoffs this year that we fire Julien and hire Q.

I don't think their team is bad at all --- they don't have a #1C, and they don't have a very solid defensive group on the left side. You sign Gardiner, you trade Suzuki for another LD and you fill all the holes in the team.

 

[HOPE]

You know what, I think Matthews is going to sign for $11M AAV @ 8 years. That contract is going to come with the “C” on his sweater.

that would be the best scenario for the leafs, well have to wait and see im kinda skeptical he take 11 but it's very probable!

 

[Pyrophorus]

I really don't know if the Coyotes are truly that appealing. But how's this scenario. Matthews gets a 15 X 7 offer sheet with the Coyotes. He takes it to the Leafs (unsigned) which the Leaf maybe can't match. Matthews offers the Leafs one alternative, 11m X 4 years. Leafs accept cause they get Matthews for four years for a four Cup runs. Matthews takes the deal cause it can solidify his NHL career playing with a real good team in a real hockey market. In four years he's a UFA and he can sign for 15m or so with Rangers and California team, Chicago or maybe even the Leafs.

Then Dubas says take our deal and well give you 40mil for a signing bonus.
AZ isn't doing that.

 

[34]

that would be the best scenario for the leafs, well have to wait and see im kinda skeptical he take 11 but it's very probable!

He is taking an $11M AAV. Book it!

 

[Pyrophorus]

Again, no idea. Offer sheets don't have to be signing bonus heavy, do they?

I'm saying that what the Leafs will offer to counter the sheet.