Value of: Montreal Offer-Sheeting Marner or Matthews

[smack66]

Yes.
I'm sure he'd love playing in KC too.

sorry, I don't mind admitting, but the KC quote flew over my head. Some type of reference of the Coyotes moving?

 

[Pyrophorus]

honestly not sure why you are being so dismissive about the opportunity of the Coyotes offer sheeting Mathews. I'm sure he would love to sign in his home state if given the opportunity. If they were to offer him 7 X13 he would likely sign and Toronto would need to match impacting their salary cap.

...and AZ's bonus money?

 

[Frank Drebin]

Both Matthews and Marner will be locked up long term before any offer sheet would be valid.

Yeah the only way an offer sheet is presented is if Dubas screws negotiations up somehow.

 

[Spirit of 67]

People such as yourself are why everyone thinks Leafs fans are ignorant idiots --- just stop.

Ya. It's us.

Thread after thread about OS'ing Leafs player and no others.

Ya, it's us.

I point out that OS's don't happen any more and get called names.

Sure, it's us.

 

[arrbez]

They could offer sheet one, then when Toronto match, offer sheet the other one, but they cant do both at the same time because the compensatory picks are the same.

They could pull it off if they offer sheet one of them at like $4m or less and give the other the max...

 

[DanM]

the yotes as a franchise as nothing to lose. Matthews as a hometown boy is THE move that could turn the franchise around, they would go all out and throw everything they have if the opportunity was there.

Arizona is such a bad market, and I don't even know if Matty could turn them around.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

why in the hell would Montreal give a tons of first round picks for Marner ? you would give 4 years of high picks for Marner ?
The cost to sign a RFA is simply stupid and no GM wants to touch that.

$9,131,645 or greater

Four first-round picks

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

ITS INSANE, you do understand that MTL top draft picks are going to be in the top 10 for 2 +years, right ?


you would give Toronto a dynasty for Marner, really ?

Besides the picks, the Leafs would also have the 8.5m money that have set aside for Marner, which could get them a good UFA. I think some team would really have to overpay to sign Marner. He's a Toronto boy, He has seen how non Cup winning Leafs like Sittler, Salming, Clarke, Gilmour and Sundin have god like status in LeafLand. Imagine winning a Cup or two as Leaf. Marner would be immortal for life and longer.

 

[Duke Silver]

We don't know if he was ever even presented with an offer sheet. I would definitely say it's more GMs fearing retribution as the reason we don't see offer sheets

He could have went looking for one. Teams were clearly interested. But he didn't.

This is just a pipe dream from Habs fans who are scared about the Leafs being contenders.

 

[smack66]

...and AZ's bonus money?

What kind of revenue could a hometown kid help bring to the team. I will be the first to admit I don't know the economic impact but I think its naïve to completely dismiss it as an option

 

[Pyrophorus]

the yotes as a franchise as nothing to lose. Matthews as a hometown boy is THE move that could turn the franchise around, they would go all out and throw everything they have if the opportunity was there.

All I need to read is the 1st 7 words of your post.
Does he want to get paid, coming off his ELC (even up front) or not.

I don't how clearly I can put this: The Yotes don't have the bonus money, nor a window.

 

[Pyrophorus]

What kind of revenue could a hometown kid help bring to the team. I will be the first to admit I don't know the economic impact but I think its naïve to completely dismiss it as an option

Seeing the Nylander contract, I know AZ doesn't have that kind of up front money.

 

[Frank Drebin]

He could have went looking for one. Teams were clearly interested. But he didn't.

This is just a pipe dream from Habs fans who are scared about the Leafs being contenders.

I thought a 5yr 40m offer sheet for nylander would have benefited the habs and hurt the leafs.

From a team with a less than stellar drafting and developing record, I wish offer sheets were used more often

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Besides the picks, the Leafs would also have the 8.5m money that have set aside for Marner, which could get them a good UFA. I think some team would really have to overpay to sign Marner. He's a Toronto boy, He has seen how non Cup winning Leafs like Sittler, Salming, Clarke, Gilmour and Sundin have god like status in LeafLand. Imagine winning a Cup or two as Leaf. Marner would be immortal for life and longer.

yes exactly, same goes for any MTL hometown boys. Hell, look at Richard and Lafleur, they are god in Quebec. I was even obligated to study Maurice Richard history and cultural influence in Cegep

 

[Mackiaveli]

Ya. It's us.

Thread after thread about OS'ing Leafs player and no others.

Ya, it's us.

I point out that OS's don't happen any more and get called names.

Sure, it's us.

This thread isn't about offer sheeting Leafs players in general.

This thread is about a team (Montreal) that desperately needs a #1C offer sheeting two players (Marner and Matthews) for an amount that a team already against the cap (Toronto) would struggle to afford. No other available RFA outside of Point makes sense for Montreal to go after; however Point isn't worth paying 12+ million a year whereas Marner and Matthews would be.

Stop being so defensive; your players are attractive pieces and your team is in a position where a big offer sheet COULD actually make them give up a player, or put you in true cap hell.

You point out that OS's HAVE NOT HAPPENED since the last CBA ... Sure, you're absolutely right. But that doesn't mean they cannot and will not happen this upcoming season. As I said, this RFA class is the best in recent memory; unless Laine/Rantanen/Matthews/Marner are all signed before July 1st, there are teams out there who very likely could offer sheet.

You continue to drone on the same narrative without any substantiation; anecdotally it hasn't been done the past few years but that does not mean it won't happen. At best, it is unlikely.

Yes, it is absolutely you. Not the entire fan base; many leafs fans have come in here and been fine, you're just being a dickhead.

 

[smack66]

Seeing the Nylander contract, I know AZ doesn't have that kind of up front money.

funny how Leafs fans dismiss the option of Mathews going "home" but point to Tavares taking less money to go home.

 

[DanM]

honestly not sure why you are being so dismissive about the opportunity of the Coyotes offer sheeting Mathews. I'm sure he would love to sign in his home state if given the opportunity. If they were to offer him 7 X13 he would likely sign and Toronto would need to match impacting their salary cap.

I don't know if he would play for the Yotes over the Leafs. He loves playing in Toronto (it seems, I don't know him personally of course) and it's not like he had a smooth road to the NHL playing as a kid from Arizona.

Sure, the Yotes maybe special to him, but I believe he would realize that it's a bad market to play in.

 

[Pyrophorus]

funny how Leafs fans dismiss the option of Mathews going "home" but point to Tavares taking less money to go home.

Something you didn't mention.
Tavares never comes here without a bonafide chance

 

[kevsh]

why in the hell would Montreal give a tons of first round picks for Marner ? you would give 4 years of high picks for Marner ?
The cost to sign a RFA is simply stupid and no GM wants to touch that.

$9,131,645 or greater

Four first-round picks

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

ITS INSANE, you do understand that MTL top draft picks are going to be in the top 10 for 2 +years, right ?


you would give Toronto a dynasty for Marner, really ?

If they add Marner without giving up anyone, I don't see how that roster finishes in the bottom 10. The Leafs went from last place to the playoffs when they added him and Matthews, as rookies. As you may have noticed, he's already improved a lot.

I know lots of Habs fans hate Bergevin so much they want the team to lose for the next five years to load up on young stars (and he's fired long before then), but they are a decent team right now, today, and may not be a bottom 10 team this year, never mind next. And adding Marner to that? I don't see lottery picks in their immediate future.

Edit: To be clear, I still don't think I'd offer sheet Marner if I was Canadiens GM, he'd be insanely expensive, but the cost I could live with.

 

[DanM]

funny how Leafs fans dismiss the option of Mathews going "home" but point to Tavares taking less money to go home.

Dude, he came home to Toronto?! which is a fantastic market, like the Bruins, Habs, Rangers, Hawks, Wings, etc.

These situations are nothing alike, and I know you realize the difference.

 

[smack66]

I don't know if he would play for the Yotes over the Leafs. He loves playing in Toronto (it seems, I don't know him personally of course) and it's not like he had a smooth road to the NHL playing as a kid from Arizona.

Sure, the Yotes maybe special to him, but I believe he would realize that it's a bad market to play in.

I generally agree with you and doubt Mathews would want to go to the Coyotes and feel that the "hometown" impact is greatly over rated. I simply don't understand those who are completely dismissive of it being an option. Especially, when the Leafs benefited from it this summer.

 

[McBooya42]

Leafs will be giving these kids what they want.........there will be no need for offer sheets, it's the rest of the gang that could be available.

Kadri Gardiner etc

The Leafs can't afford to give the kids whatever they want....they're going to be hooped.

 

[Frank Drebin]

funny how Leafs fans dismiss the option of Mathews going "home" but point to Tavares taking less money to go home.

Doesn't necessarily have to be Arizona. Las Vegas/Anaheim/LA/San Jose all are desirable destinations for a kid who grew up in the desert

 

[HOPE]

Both Matthews and Marner will be locked up long term before any offer sheet would be valid.

wich is what i think like i mentioned, but 100% arizona offersheets matthews if it gets there.

 

[Roof Daddy]

The Habs offersheeting Matthews would be highly entertaining. I think it would take 7 years and 98 million to get it done though. Is that amount of cap space - coupled with 4 first round picks as compensation - worth it? I’m not so sure, but it would be highly entertaining to see these boards explode.

 

[34]

Yeah the only way an offer sheet is presented is if Dubas screws negotiations up somehow.

Exactly. You got it.

You have to think Dubas learnt from this entire Nylander fiasco. No way in hell he is letting Marner or Matthews come anywhere near July 1st!

You can bet your bottom dollar he is already working on both Mitch’s and Matty’s contract extensions right now as we speak. Dubas is not going to f*** around with those!