Proposal: Montreal and Toronto

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Other teams would give up a lot to add a talent like that and play him regularly in the top 6

Funny thing, Kapanen stopped producing points when he went back with Kadri. So no, he is not a future Elite player like you think. He is a comparable to a younger Byron. THe big piece here is Sandin who can become a top pairing.

he is getting carried by top centers, he uses he's speed and nothing else. Also went from a high 18 minutes on average to a low 14 minutes on the 3rd line and stopped producing. Kapanen is nothing to be amazed at

 

[sansabri]

It would be incredibly dumb to waste this opportunity.. That doesn't mean it makes sense to be even dumber and vastly overpay in assets when the window is open for at least 5 years after this season given the ages of the core.

Lol.

 

[bobholly39]

Hall for Larsson still eh? Fans always beat that drum but then ignore the Karlsson and McDonagh trades where teams got these guys for picks and lesser pieces, and both are way better than Larsson.

Sure but i specifically said "under the right circumstances and at the right time". Both Karlsson and McD arguably got traded at the worst time possible for value.
Sens also apparently took a lesser offer just to ensure he wasn't playing in the east. And Dorion is an idiot =/

 

[Iapyi]

This is a constructive and non-salty response.

This is one of the worst trade proposals I have ever seen.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Lol.

Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Kapenen all 22 or younger

Best D is Rielly in Norris contention this year and only 24. Oldest core pieces on the team are Tavares at 28 and Andersen. Not sure what is funny unless you want to provide some sort of logic to back up your opinion.

 

[mashedpotato]

Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Kapenen all 22 or younger

Best D is Rielly in Norris contention this year and only 24. Oldest core pieces on the team are Tavares at 28 and Andersen. Not sure what is funny unless you want to provide some sort of logic to back up your opinion.

They're just jealous.

 

[jfhabs]

Both of the Leafs assets are rapidly appreciating in value. If Kapanen scores 30 this year we certainly don't need to add Sandin to him for Petry. If Sandin continues developing as he is, he's our best prospect and not getting moved for Petry.

Kapanen straight up or Sandin with a small plus would probably be fair. But I'd really rather hold on to both right now, they're both trending upwards.

Until Kapanen shows he can carry his line or at least produce away from Matthews/Tavares I don't see him being as valuable as Petry. Petry's been playing like a 1st pair D for over 100 games now and is signed for 2 extra years at a very fair deal. He's also been playing with the likes of Benn, Alzner, Schlemko for most of these games.

Sandin maximum potential if all the stars are align is probably not even as good as Petry is and will be for the next 2.5 years. I think that offer would easily be beat by most contending teams looking to add a RHD.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Lol.

5 years is probably conservative given the compete windows of teams that were built following the same blueprint that the current Leafs are in the mid-late 2000's - Pittsburgh's window is still open since they made the playoffs as a top 10 team in 06/07, Chicago's only closed in the last couple of years after opening in 08/09, Washington's is still going after opening in 07/08.

I get that your prerogative is to hate on the Leafs, but this kind of comment really just opens the door to it being thrown back in your face in 8 years if the Leafs are doing the same thing that almost every team that follows the same blueprint has done for more than a decade

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Funny thing, Kapanen stopped producing points when he went back with Kadri. So no, he is not a future Elite player like you think. He is a comparable to a younger Byron. THe big piece here is Sandin who can become a top pairing.

he is getting carried by top centers, he uses he's speed and nothing else. Also went from a high 18 minutes on average to a low 14 minutes on the 3rd line and stopped producing. Kapanen is nothing to be amazed at

Yes, it is funny how much better he looked than Kadri and Marleau. He's an excellent young player for sure

 

[LeafGrief]

Until Kapanen shows he can carry his line or at least produce away from Matthews/Tavares I don't see him being as valuable as Petry. Petry's been playing like a 1st pair D for over 100 games now and is signed for 2 extra years at a very fair deal. He's also been playing with the likes of Benn, Alzner, Schlemko for most of these games.

Sandin maximum potential if all the stars are align is probably not even as good as Petry is and will be for the next 2.5 years. I think that offer would easily be beat by most contending teams looking to add a RHD.

You think contending teams are going to give their best defensive prospect and a 22 year old winger who can score 30 on a line with their star centre for Petry? lol

You might get one and that's pushing it. You're not getting both.

Kapanen is a legit first line winger, his production is all ES. His 13 ES goals is 12th among skaters in the league. His 24 ES points is 36th in the league. Domi leads the Habs with 26 ES points. If the kid has the kind of chemistry with Matthews that he can be a top 35 ES producer in the league then we're not adding huge plusses to him for Jeff Petry. Do you think you're going to get Huberdeau or Timo Meier for Petry?

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

and a 22 year old winger who can score 30 on a line with their star centre

Patrick Eaves once scored 21 goals with Seguin,
Kapanen scoring MAYBE 25 is nothing to be amazed at...

 

[bukwas]

The value of cheap young talent in the Leafs system going forward is immense. Sacrificing it at this stage of the contending window would not be wise.
I would much prefer having more shots at a cup with a slightly less probability.
Perhaps a different team with less time on their side would be a better option for the habs and one of these "now" type trades.

 

[4thline]

Funny thing, Kapanen stopped producing points when he went back with Kadri. So no, he is not a future Elite player like you think. He is a comparable to a younger Byron. THe big piece here is Sandin who can become a top pairing.

he is getting carried by top centers, he uses he's speed and nothing else. Also went from a high 18 minutes on average to a low 14 minutes on the 3rd line and stopped producing. Kapanen is nothing to be amazed at

He's 22 years old.

 

[LeafGrief]

Patrick Eaves once scored 21 goals with Seguin,
Kapanen scoring MAYBE 25 is nothing to be amazed at...

A 32 year old having a career season after 10+ years in the NHL as a bottom sixer is the example that you're going with? Kapanen is 22.

And he's on pace for 30 with no PP time. If he gets PP time in the second half then he'll blow 25g out of the water even if his oiSH% goes down.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Patrick Eaves once scored 21 goals with Seguin,
Kapanen scoring MAYBE 25 is nothing to be amazed at...

20 5v5 goals would be pretty spectacular. That would be as many as Pastrnak, Malkin, and Hall had last year, and only 2 fewer than Laine

 

[TheScandal89]

As a Leaf fan, I wouldn't do it, but its not a terrible proposal, as Petry would most likely go to our top pair.

I'd like to aim higher if we traded those guys in a package before we take a deal like this.

 

[sheed36]

As a Leaf fan, I wouldn't do it, but its not a terrible proposal, as Petry would most likely go to our top pair.

I'd like to aim higher if we traded those guys in a package before we take a deal like this.

Like who?

 

[4thline]

Once you've got a Kapanen+Sandin base you don't stop there, you add a couple picks and shoot for the true blockbuster for a top 10 D with term (3+ years)

 

[sheed36]

Once you've got a Kapanen+Sandin base you don't stop there, you add a couple picks and shoot for the true blockbuster for a top 10 D with term (3+ years)

A top 10 D with 3+ years left likely has a fairly high cap hit and aren't even likely available anyway. Anyway how would the Leafs fit that into with their upcoming tight cap? Hoping some sucker takes Zaitsev and his contract for a low pick?

 

[firstemperor]

Petry is a legitimately good player and good fit for the Leafs but he doesn't command anywhere close to that package.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I mean, Larsson was 24 years old at the time (Petry being 31). That trade is generally held up by anyone looking to get value for their dmen, but I think it should be accepted by now that the trade was the exception rather than the rule.

Relatively comparable:

Center Adam Henrique, forward Joseph Blandisi and a third-round pick in the 2018 NHL Draft were acquired by the Anaheim Ducks in a trade with the New Jersey Devils on Thursday for defenseman Sami Vatanen and a conditional third-round draft pick.

Ducks acquire Henrique, trade Vatanen to Devils

Also, I'm not that big on Vatanen either. Petry is likely > than Vatanen. We will try to find ways of making the two trades seem altogether different though of course.

I'm not particularly a big proponent of the trade scenario either, but we aren't getting anything of value without giving something up that's decent/good.

 

[ACC1224]

That's a pretty easy pass by the Leafs.

 

[jfhabs]

You think contending teams are going to give their best defensive prospect and a 22 year old winger who can score 30 on a line with their star centre for Petry? lol

You might get one and that's pushing it. You're not getting both.

Kapanen is a legit first line winger, his production is all ES. His 13 ES goals is 12th among skaters in the league. His 24 ES points is 36th in the league. Domi leads the Habs with 26 ES points. If the kid has the kind of chemistry with Matthews that he can be a top 35 ES producer in the league then we're not adding huge plusses to him for Jeff Petry. Do you think you're going to get Huberdeau or Timo Meier for Petry?

I'm not saying we should get both for Petry, but I'm saying it wouldn't be straight up for Kapanen or a small + in Sandin's case.
No, I'm not hoping for Huberdeau or Meier. Huberdeau is much better then Petry/Kapanen/Sandin right now. Meier is a young player producing near ppg, don't see the sharks moving him for Petry when they already have Burns/Karlsson on the right side. Kapanen is a good contributor in TO, but I think he's a complementary player not a line driver. Toronto also have a clear weakness on the right side.
Sandin being there best prospect doesn't make him more valuable from Montreal POV. He's a good prospect for sure, but his ranking in Toronto's organization shouldn't impact the value we (habs) put on him.
TBH, I don't see a deal to be made around Kapanen and Petry because Kapanen is cheap and contributing now on a contenting team. Montreal doesn't have a need at wing either.
But, if Montreal were looking to move Petry I could see something along the lines of Petry vs Sandin/Liljegren +. If Toronto doesn't want to pay that price it's fine, but that's what it normally cost to get a top 3 D with years left on his deal.

 

[4thline]

A top 10 D with 3+ years left likely has a fairly high cap hit and aren't even likely available anyway. Anyway how would the Leafs fit that into with their upcoming tight cap? Hoping some sucker takes Zaitsev and his contract for a low pick?

I don't think it's a viable move without some dancing, really just an oblique way of agreeing with this

Petry is a legitimately good player and good fit for the Leafs but he doesn't command anywhere close to that package.

Kapanen+Sandin is 1st+2nd away from the deal that landed (late) prime Pronger for 4 seasons.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Petry is a legitimately good player and good fit for the Leafs but he doesn't command anywhere close to that package.

Agree with that, Petry's a good target for the Leafs for a market rate package. I think it's moot unless the Habs fall out of contention by the trade deadline though