Speculation: Monahan forward most likely dealt first

[HuGort]

Habs going to get huge return on Monahan going by Lindholm trade.

 

[Walksss]

Oh my God that Lindholm return is just.. *chefs kiss*. Every single scenario to increase Monahan's value is coming true. Health, production, and now the biggest domino has fallen and according to the pundits there are 6-7 more teams interested in upgrading at C.

All you hockey experts at HFBoards are about to get a real world example of supply and demand. In this fine scenario the demand is plentiful and the supply is...... Monahan lol. Or perhaps you can try to work a more than twice as expensive Henrique in to your lineups, that's fine as well, we're all here to be entertained at the end of the day.

I posted before that his value had clearly increased to a 1st+ but in light of new information I'm sure the new pricing is a 1st ++. The GM who provides the largest second + wins the day. Good luck to all of you, I wish your teams the best.

 

[TheBuriedHab]

Habs going to get huge return on Monahan going by Lindholm trade.

One thing to keep in mind is Calgary also took on a 5.5m cap hit for next year that Vancouver was trying to get rid of.

I don't think the return will be insane, still though, a late first or a 2nd + decent prospect/young roster player is what I'd call a win.

 

[Figgy44]

Oh my God that Lindholm return is just.. *chefs kiss*. Every single scenario to increase Monahan's value is coming true. Health, production, and now the biggest domino has fallen and according to the pundits there are 6-7 more teams interested in upgrading at C.

All you hockey experts at HFBoards are about to get a real world example of supply and demand. In this fine scenario the demand is plentiful and the supply is...... Monahan lol. Or perhaps you can try to work a more than twice as expensive Henrique in to your lineups, that's fine as well, we're all here to be entertained at the end of the day.

I posted before that his value had clearly increased to a 1st+ but in light of new information I'm sure the new pricing is a 1st ++. The GM who provides the largest second + wins the day. Good luck to all of you, I wish your teams the best.

No way on that bottom paragraph without both retention and cap dump taken back.

If those are the prices on Monahan, I think Flames would immediately chat with Backlund and offer him at 50% to the contender of his choice if he agrees to chase a cup. No way the market let's Montreal get an insane haul on a 6-7 team bidding war on Monahan. Teams previously not considering certain players on the market would immediately consider it to cash in/split that premium. Supply would be increased to meet demand. Monahan price wouldn't go gamestonk

 

[HuGort]

One thing to keep in mind is Calgary also took on a 5.5m cap hit for next year that Vancouver was trying to get rid of.

I don't think the return will be insane, still though, a late first or a 2nd + decent prospect/young roster player is what I'd call a win.

That's 5.5m for a 39 goal scorer though.

I worked out a few trades tonight;

Winnipeg - Monahan, Barron

Montreal - Colby Barlow, 2024 2nd round pick (Montreal’s), 2024 3rd round pick.

If it’s Edmonton:

To Edmonton: Sean Monahan, David Savard (50 percent retained)

To Montreal: Dylan Holloway, reunite from Winconsin days. 2025 2 round pick, 2024 1st round pick

If it’s New York Rangers:

To New York: Sean Monohan

To Montreal: Gabe Perrault

 

[keglu]

That's 5.5m for a 39 goal scorer though.

He was cap dump

If it’s New York Rangers:

To New York: Sean Monohan

To Montreal: Gabe Perrault

Not a Rangers fan but this is beyond delusional.

 

[Walksss]

No way on that bottom paragraph without both retention and cap dump taken back.

If those are the prices on Monahan, I think Flames would immediately chat with Backlund and offer him at 50% to the contender of his choice if he agrees to chase a cup. No way the market let's Montreal get an insane haul on a 6-7 team bidding war on Monahan. Teams previously not considering certain players on the market would immediately consider it to cash in/split that premium. Supply would be increased to meet demand. Monahan price wouldn't go gamestonk

Eh, there's not really gonna be much out there centre-wise even after a bunch of these bubble teams fall out of contention.

From the bottom teams Chicago, San Jose, Minnesota, Ottawa (Pinto won't be traded), Arizona, and Washington have nothing of interest to offer at centre. Buffalo has Mittelstadt but he's unlikely to move and will have a much much higher price than Monahan. Anaheim has Henrique and I suppose Zegras if you wanna believe he's available but he'll also cost a fortune and is a obvi a much different situation than Monahan. Columbus has Roslovic but he sucks balls and has 2 goals this year. Calgary I suppose has Backlund but he is signed for 2 years at $4.5 after this and you would have to retain for both years which would cost compensation. Plus Monahan is better.

From the middle bubble teams New Jersey, NYI, Nashville, Detroit and St. Louis (unless you're a fan of Kevin Hayes at $3.5 for 2 more years) all have nothing to offer. Pittsburgh has Lars Eller and... Sidney Crosby (could you imagine). Seattle has Wennberg but he sucks as well and Philly has Morgan Frost who could conceivably move but will likely have a high ask and doesn't have the experience that Monahan does.

That's it. Everybody else is surely a contender and won't be selling but rather will be buying. I suppose somebody could make a monster splash and make cap room for a big contract that has multiple years left on it but I'll have to see that to believe it. I'm here for it though, an action packed trade deadline is always fun.

Anyways long story short, no, there isn't any supply. It is in the hands of Montreal, Anaheim, and maybe Philadelphia or Buffalo if they wanna capitalize on Frost or Mittelstadt but those will be different deals with young player premiums. A 1st++ is coming, that's why Vancouver jumped the gun here.

 

[Figgy44]

Eh, there's not really gonna be much out there centre-wise even after a bunch of these bubble teams fall out of contention.

From the bottom teams Chicago, San Jose, Minnesota, Ottawa (Pinto won't be traded), Arizona, and Washington have nothing of interest to offer at centre. Buffalo has Mittelstadt but he's unlikely to move and will have a much much higher price than Monahan. Anaheim has Henrique and I suppose Zegras if you wanna believe he's available but he'll also cost a fortune and is a obvi a much different situation than Monahan. Columbus has Roslovic but he sucks balls and has 2 goals this year. Calgary I suppose has Backlund but he is signed for 2 years at $4.5 after this and you would have to retain for both years which would cost compensation. Plus Monahan is better.

From the middle bubble teams New Jersey, NYI, Nashville, Detroit and St. Louis (unless you're a fan of Kevin Hayes at $3.5 for 2 more years) all have nothing to offer. Pittsburgh has Lars Eller and... Sidney Crosby (could you imagine). Seattle has Wennberg but he sucks as well and Philly has Morgan Frost who could conceivably move but will likely have a high ask and doesn't have the experience that Monahan does.

That's it. Everybody else is surely a contender and won't be selling but rather will be buying. I suppose somebody could make a monster splash and make cap room for a big contract that has multiple years left on it but I'll have to see that to believe it. I'm here for it though, an action packed trade deadline is always fun.

Anyways long story short, no, there isn't any supply. It is in the hands of Montreal, Anaheim, and maybe Philadelphia or Buffalo if they wanna capitalize on Frost or Mittelstadt but those will be different deals with young player premiums. A 1st++ is coming, that's why Vancouver jumped the gun here.

Good analysis. The only issue I have is that Monahan is not better than Backlund. Backlund is a damn good defensive C.

Yes teams would have to pay more for a retained backing, but three seasons of Backlund at 2.675 then 2x 2.25 as a 2C would be amazing for a team like the Avs and a few other contenders. It'd be weird optics wise to trade our newly minted captain and Backlund would have to agree making it a little unlikely, but it's not completely nuts if the premium is amazing.

Fair for the rest of your points though.

 

[McFlyingV]

That's 5.5m for a 39 goal scorer though.

I worked out a few trades tonight;

Winnipeg - Monahan, Barron

Montreal - Colby Barlow, 2024 2nd round pick (Montreal’s), 2024 3rd round pick.

If it’s Edmonton:

To Edmonton: Sean Monahan, David Savard (50 percent retained)

To Montreal: Dylan Holloway, reunite from Winconsin days. 2025 2 round pick, 2024 1st round pick

If it’s New York Rangers:

To New York: Sean Monohan

To Montreal: Gabe Perrault

Don't really see a world where Edmonton moves Holloway for rentals. He's looking poised to be a solid contributor in the line up in the 2nd half of the season and they'd likely want to add on top of having him, not upgrade on him. And that trade doesn't work money wise regardless.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Bubble wrap him and hold him out til he’s dealt

 

[newsportsfan123]

Question is if he is actually great great defensively and offensively or if this information is as accurate like one about him being almost PPG.

His defensive analytics are garbage, always have been.

 

[ole ole]

Question is if he is actually great great defensively and offensively or if this information is as accurate like one about him being almost PPG.

Want to show us that PPG information.
Man there's a lot of shit being thrown against the wall in hopes something sticks.
Getting desperate.

 

[Bank Shot]

Habs going to get huge return on Monahan going by Lindholm trade.

Which contenders do you think are looking for a guy who is subpar 5v5 and good on the PP?

Vancouver just dumped that guy in Kuzmenko to acquire Lindholm.

I don't see a massive market for Sean's services. Maybe a team like Winnipeg who has a poor PP will be looking at him.

 

[keglu]

Want to show us that PPG information.
Man there's a lot of shit being thrown against the wall in hopes something sticks.
Getting desperate.

What do you mean? I quoted almost PPG statement in my post.

 

[Backlund]

Habs going to get huge return on Monahan going by Lindholm trade.

No they aren't. Lindholm is a better player and he wasn't traded for anything special.

 

[RC51]

habs will get a 1st, last week I would say + a prospect that the offering team dont need.
but now??? it;s a 1st plus a prospect you don't want to trade at all ( high value prospect)

 

[Fire Chevy]

habs will get a 1st, last week I would say + a prospect that the offering team dont need.
but now??? it;s a 1st plus a prospect you don't want to trade at all ( high value prospect)

Yes for Sean Monahan

 

[sittler rules!!!]

Lindholm would've been such a good fit with the Jets IMO

Rutherford looks to be going for it though. It is the perfect storm in Van City. Strength down the middle. Two great D men, 4 with good size and snarl. Very good wingers and a Vezina goaler. They are build for the playoffs. Rutherford is a purdy smart hockey guy.

 

[rangersfansince08]

That's 5.5m for a 39 goal scorer though.

I worked out a few trades tonight;

Winnipeg - Monahan, Barron

Montreal - Colby Barlow, 2024 2nd round pick (Montreal’s), 2024 3rd round pick.

If it’s Edmonton:

To Edmonton: Sean Monahan, David Savard (50 percent retained)

To Montreal: Dylan Holloway, reunite from Winconsin days. 2025 2 round pick, 2024 1st round pick

If it’s New York Rangers:

To New York: Sean Monohan

To Montreal: Gabe Perrault

In what world is a rental 3rd liner worth a prospect like Perreault who since being drafted was second in points on the WJC team that won gold and leads ALL NCAA freshman in scoring (and 3rd overall). He should have never lasted to 23 to begin with and his value has only gone up since then.

And no Monahan is not worth Laf + a first either.

 

[slybel]

I will laugh soon at the naysayers!

 

[LeProspector]

After seeing how much the Flames got for Lindholm, I have to take back my original statement that the Habs aren’t getting a first for Monahan.

I will die on the hill that they shouldn’t get a first for him and that GM‘s are dumb if they do part with their first for him. But unless more centres become avaliable between now and the deadline, the Habs will get a first for Monahan.

 

[BLNY]

In what world is a rental 3rd liner worth a prospect like Perreault who since being drafted was second in points on the WJC team that won gold and leads ALL NCAA freshman in scoring (and 3rd overall). He should have never lasted to 23 to begin with and his value has only gone up since then.

And no Monahan is not worth Laf + a first either.

The same world a rental "third pair" Chiarot got a first, fourth, and minor leaguer?

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Now, his value went up.

He will get a 1st or something equivalent.

 

[HuGort]

Oh my God that Lindholm return is just.. *chefs kiss*. Every single scenario to increase Monahan's value is coming true. Health, production, and now the biggest domino has fallen and according to the pundits there are 6-7 more teams interested in upgrading at C.

All you hockey experts at HFBoards are about to get a real world example of supply and demand. In this fine scenario the demand is plentiful and the supply is...... Monahan lol. Or perhaps you can try to work a more than twice as expensive Henrique in to your lineups, that's fine as well, we're all here to be entertained at the end of the day.

I posted before that his value had clearly increased to a 1st+ but in light of new information I'm sure the new pricing is a 1st ++. The GM who provides the largest second + wins the day. Good luck to all of you, I wish your teams the best.

I would guess Monahan value a first plus good prospect. He's top center on market now with 7-8 bidders. He'll return full blown retail.

 

[HabsAddict]

In what world is a rental 3rd liner worth a prospect like Perreault who since being drafted was second in points on the WJC team that won gold and leads ALL NCAA freshman in scoring (and 3rd overall). He should have never lasted to 23 to begin with and his value has only gone up since then.

And no Monahan is not worth Laf + a first either.

Laf would not be on the table because it would be subtracting from current NHL roster.

On the other hand, depending on how much need, all non NHL players and picks are on the table.

Let's see what will happen...