Speculation: Monahan forward most likely dealt first

[calder candidate]

See earlier posts about Monahan's 5v5 production rates over the past 5 years and Lehkonen's production when he changed teams.

I have no issue with the stat I just think that there pretty irrelevant to draw those conclusions because the situations… first the sample in the past 5 years, when you consider that at least 3 of those were the worst of Monahan career playing with major injury issues. What would Lehk point per60 look like playing 20min in MTL it is clear that teammates and team played a significant role in maintaining is P60 with more minutes if he had been traded to CBJ , CHI or ARZ is minute would probably have gone up but would he have able to maintain is P60…

 

[BLNY]

just read through the first 15 pages of this thread, Habs fans (not everyone) wants picks and prospects attached to those picks, NYR CANNOT entertain Hughes & Gorton looking to poach young valuable players from a Rangers team in dire need of new blood in the next year. Look, I get it, Habs are in the doghouse and are looking for free gibs from whatever they have, but Montreal's front office is predatory as f*** and I'm not going to entertain the Rangers being subject to that insanity.

I can almost guarantee you that MTL, because of Gorton, would be asking for Sýkora+ in a package for Monahan. If the Rangers gift the Habs that it's quite literally over.

The only time I've seen multiple pieces suggested is with a second.

Pg 2 - saying they won't take a late second as the only piece.

Pg 3 - one post a second is fine. One saying "how many firsts" that's clearly a joke.

Pg 5 - someone referencing "I've seen habs fans ..." but no references, as per usual.

Pg 6 - A second as baseline.

Pg 7 - more posts about 2nd as the baseline. A post about Chiarot return (bidding war).


There are no posts specifically saying he's WORTH a first plus in the first 7 pages. I can't be bothered to check anymore pages I might have missed. I posted in the first 5 pages talking about fact he doesn't have to be limited to a center role. He can move up and down lineup and play wing without team missing a beat.

Fact is, with every thread on the Trade Rumours board, 90% of posts are about flaming.

 

[lionsDen]

Y'all have a good night now!! LOL
Nice english man!!

Cheers....

It’s called a dialect. you’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer, that’s for sure.

 

[RangerBoy]

Friedman on hockey night in Canada said tonight Rangers after Monahan. They actually looking for 2 centers. Monahan has a lot of respect around the league for coming back from the injuries he came back from.

I'd rather trade him to Toronto because be a higher first pick. Monahan on Rangers they probably East favorite. But Leafs weaker team.

He said teams are wondering if the Rangers will make a trade for Monahan after the Chytil news. Friedman added the Rangers and Habs front offices don't like each other. Gorton doesn't want to deal with the Rangers after the owner fired him.

That is usually a problem. Teams like to deal with teams they feel comfortable with.

The Rangers aren't the east favorite with Monahan. The Rangers are lucky they started the season 18-4-1 because they are a .500 since that point in the season. They are also lucky their division sucks because they would have trouble making the playoffs.

Igor is having an awful season and the Rangers are not going anywhere with Quick as their top goalie.

 

[BLONG7]

It’s called a dialect. you’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer, that’s for sure.

LOL..................dialect.
Thx Einstein!!
Y'all have a great day now....
Cheers!

 

[Coffee]

It’s called a dialect. you’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer, that’s for sure.

Yes he is, because he knows not to argue with you

 

[Wayfarer13]

The only time I've seen multiple pieces suggested is with a second.

Pg 2 - saying they won't take a late second as the only piece.

Pg 3 - one post a second is fine. One saying "how many firsts" that's clearly a joke.

Pg 5 - someone referencing "I've seen habs fans ..." but no references, as per usual.

Pg 6 - A second as baseline.

Pg 7 - more posts about 2nd as the baseline. A post about Chiarot return (bidding war).


There are no posts specifically saying he's WORTH a first plus in the first 7 pages. I can't be bothered to check anymore pages I might have missed. I posted in the first 5 pages talking about fact he doesn't have to be limited to a center role. He can move up and down lineup and play wing without team missing a beat.

Fact is, with every thread on the Trade Rumours board, 90% of posts are about flaming.

The thing is that market has not been set yet and won't be for another 3 to 4 weeks. At this time the offers are from a low ball - flamer perspective.

 

[HuGort]

He said teams are wondering if the Rangers will make a trade for Monahan after the Chytil news. Friedman added the Rangers and Habs front offices don't like each other. Gorton doesn't want to deal with the Rangers after the owner fired him.

That is usually a problem. Teams like to deal with teams they feel comfortable with.

The Rangers aren't the east favorite with Monahan. The Rangers are lucky they started the season 18-4-1 because they are a .500 since that point in the season. They are also lucky their division sucks because they would have trouble making the playoffs.

Igor is having an awful season and the Rangers are not going anywhere with Quick as their top goalie.

Rangers need to make big move. Or piss season away. Playoffs just around corner. Not much available this trade deadline. Lindholm only big name. But many after him. Price be sky high.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Yes the Habs living in delusion for expecting what you wouldn't be surprise at him getting. WOW.

I mocked hab fans over Sean getting a 1st because I really don't like the Habs but the truth is he likely gets a good return. From a nucks POV I'm not sure if he makes sense over Lindholm because my gut tells me Elias would have better chemistry with Kuzmenko but who knows. Despite what the haters say he absolutely gets a 1st from a top team or a 2nd and a prospect.

A 1st in the 20-32 range has to be the most overrated thing on HF. A GM on a contender knows that even the picks that work out are usually several years away since at that point in the draft, said player has at least one flaw that really stands out.

Rangers were mentioned but was also said the two GMs aren't fans of each other, the leafs make sense but so do the Avs

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

No it is NOT ridiculous. A late 1st is not worth that much. B prospect could be added. Of course this is based on many teams needing forwards and centres and that GM's have the guts to make a real offer.

A 1st is likely but anything else on top depends fully on how desperate teams are after JR lands Lindholm and what the cost is. If Lindholm gets a 1st and a very good prospect or a 1st, 2nd etc it likely sets the value.
Best case scenario for you guys is Lindholm and Henrique are gone early leaving multiple teams left to Duke it out which then I could see a return that mirrors Lindholms but lesser picks or prospect after the 1st
So like a 1st and a 4th or a 1st and a depth type prospect and a 5th?
Regardless, you already got a 1st from the flames so it's all gravy.

 

[waitin425]

Chytil out for season.

Monahan is a perfect fit for the Rangers. 1st rounder. If rangers win cup, add a 2026 third

 

[ML16]

I mocked hab fans over Sean getting a 1st because I really don't like the Habs but the truth is he likely gets a good return. From a nucks POV I'm not sure if he makes sense over Lindholm because my gut tells me Elias would have better chemistry with Kuzmenko but who knows. Despite what the haters say he absolutely gets a 1st from a top team or a 2nd and a prospect.

A 1st in the 20-32 range has to be the most overrated thing on HF. A GM on a contender knows that even the picks that work out are usually several years away since at that point in the draft, said player has at least one flaw that really stands out.

Rangers were mentioned but was also said the two GMs aren't fans of each other, the leafs make sense but so do the Avs

Amen. Glanced through the thread and was quite surprised to see how stingy some posters are.

A late 1st round pick (or 2nd + prospect) for a smart veteran UFA-to-be signed under 2M who can play any position on a top-9, has a 55% FO efficiency and a 0.7 PPG average in both regular and post-seasons should be seen as a fair deal, if not a bargain. (N. Foligno, Palmieri, Goodrow, Pageau, Kase and Coleman all fetched a 1st in recent trade deadlines…)

If GMs want to lowball the Habs because of Monahan’s (seemingly resolved) injury history, they should actually look to dump Dvorak next offseason and re-sign Monahan mid-term (3 years) to mentor their young core.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Amused by some of the posts here belittling Monahan’s PP#s

When I look at a team like the Jets that have a shit PP but have the best GAA in the league reminds me of all the years Habs philosophy was Price stoppa the puck and we held onto a decade of late 1sts that all busted wasting Carey’s prime. Having a guy that can win the face off on the PP and some skills to make plays and finish isn’t as easy as people think. Adding offensive help is a must for Winnipeg.

 

[HabzSauce]

Habs fans living in delusion with this rental piece asset, as worse as some Rangers fans I've seen throughout the years. Reminds me of when some fans thought Kevin Hayes in 2019 was worth an overpayment just because.

Still, wouldn't be surprised to see someone offer a late 1st, just don't expect much else attached to that.

That's exactly what Habs fans are asking for lmao. Either a late 1st or a 2nd+ is all I've seen all across this entire thread.

Welcome to delusion land bud you're one of us

 

[BLNY]

The thing is that market has not been set yet and won't be for another 3 to 4 weeks. At this time the offers are from a low ball - flamer perspective.

That's what this place is right up until the trade happens lol.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Obviously Perreault is off the table (I would have preferred him to Reinbacher honestly), and Drury doesn't like giving up 1sts so maybe a 2nd and a prospect would be their offer. Not sure who the prospect would be though. Don't know much about Sykora or BMB but maybe one of them included? Can't imagine Montreal would want to add another d prospect

 

[HuGort]

Chytil out for season.

Monahan is a perfect fit for the Rangers. 1st rounder. If rangers win cup, add a 2026 third

Othman maybe instead?? This draft is not deep and Rangers currently hold 29th pick. I wouldn't bother with their first rounder. Not much value there

 

[GrosBill]

Monahan is a 3C.

Currently 44th in NHL points by a center, 55% in face off won i.e 26th in the league and top 10 when excluding centers with low scoring stats, can play wing, second wave PP on most teams, high hockey IQ, has played with almost everyone in Montreal and made all of his line mates better, smart,…..
OK I am biased, love the guy, but in my opinion he would be 2c on most teams and definitely a great add to ANY team aspiring to go far.
Would not trade him for a first but rather for a top prospect if packaged with 1 our D like Harris, Strubble, Barron, Kovasevic. Actually I wish we would re-sign rather than trade him for a late first.

 

[AirGut]

Obviously Perreault is off the table (I would have preferred him to Reinbacher honestly), and Drury doesn't like giving up 1sts so maybe a 2nd and a prospect would be their offer. Not sure who the prospect would be though. Don't know much about Sykora or BMB but maybe one of them included? Can't imagine Montreal would want to add another d prospect

All top prospects are off the table here unless Drury is a drunkard and Gorton threatens his family.
-Perreault
-Othmann
-Sykora
-Garand
-Berard
-BMB
-Henriksson

Guys that should be in play
-Rempe
-Robertson
-Jones
-Edstrom
-Korczak
-Trivigno
-Lindbom
-Boyko

If Habs fans expect Drury to submit to them because "the Rangers are just soooo desperate right now right?"
I highly recommend waking up to reality. This is a 3 month rental we're talking about that's going to end up playing limited minutes on a competitive team in a 3C role. Monahan is not going to fetch what Giroux did a couple years ago. He's not worth a premium. Let it go.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Othman maybe instead?? This draft is not deep and Rangers currently hold 29th pick. I wouldn't bother with their first rounder. Not much value there

Yup he'd be my target, no way Gorton does any favors to the Rangers

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

All top prospects are off the table here unless Drury is a drunkard and Gorton threatens his family.
-Perreault
-Othmann
-Sykora
-Garand
-Berard
-BMB
-Henriksson

Guys that should be in play
-Rempe
-Robertson
-Jones
-Edstrom
-Korczak
-Trivigno
-Lindbom
-Boyko

If Habs fans expect Drury to submit to them because "the Rangers are just soooo desperate right now right?"
I highly recommend waking up to reality. This is a 3 month rental we're talking about that's going to end up playing limited minutes on a competitive team in a 3C role. Monahan is not going to fetch what Giroux did a couple years ago. He's not worth a premium. Let it go.

Are they really considered top prospects?

 

[HuGort]

Yup he'd be my target, no way Gorton does any favors to the Rangers

The only center available who better than Monahan is Lindholm. So many teams after him price is sky high.

 

[ole ole]

Are they really considered top prospects?

Outside of Othman and Perreault the rest look to be at best 3rd/4th line players.

 

[AirGut]

Are they really considered top prospects?

for a Rangers team in dire need of another youth movement, yes they are.
I think the Rangers are looking to do a 22' Copp type of deal to fill the 3C hole.

that was two cond. 2nd rounders + 5th + Morgan Barron.

 

[2014nyr]

He said teams are wondering if the Rangers will make a trade for Monahan after the Chytil news. Friedman added the Rangers and Habs front offices don't like each other. Gorton doesn't want to deal with the Rangers after the owner fired him.

That is usually a problem. Teams like to deal with teams they feel comfortable with.

The Rangers aren't the east favorite with Monahan. The Rangers are lucky they started the season 18-4-1 because they are a .500 since that point in the season. They are also lucky their division sucks because they would have trouble making the playoffs.

Igor is having an awful season and the Rangers are not going anywhere with Quick as their top goalie.

that's not about dolan. that's about drury. everything about what went down in that 48 hour period was gutless and embarrassing, and not for gorton.