Speculation: Monahan forward most likely dealt first

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Honest question

Do other teams fans not want him because

1. They don't see the fit, or
2. The cost could be too much, or
3. The Habs fans are annoying making so many proposals

1 and 2 which ends up leading to 3 because Habs fans simply cant accept that not every team in the league wants Monahan and wants to give up real value to get him.

You could have just said all of the above... lol

What's the deal with Parise? Why?

More depth is a good thing. Especially getting a well respected veteran guy into the locker room that hasn't won a cup yet. That impact from Cogs in 2022 was huge for the Avs.


Parise also showed last year he's still pretty effective. 21 Goals playing in a bottom 6 role for the Islanders is very solid.

Its a great move with no downside and a lot of upside.

 

[lionsDen]

Would it be fair to say, assumptions can be foolish at times?

Far too many things can happen to several contenders between now and the deadline, to increase or decrease the leverage each and every team has.

HF can be entertaining when it comes to putting a value on an asset especially to a team a poster does or does not like..............bias, is an interesting animal.

And how does this answer the rebuttal I presented.

 

[ole ole]

Happens every TDL, fans debate certain players values, always lots of hyperbole and later back peddling. In this thread alone we've seen some say he's just a poor fit in their teams (which is fair) and some claim his value is as high as 1st++ and some as low as a 4th rd pick and I think most fall into the 2rd pick or 2rd pick with a small plus.

See if all we can get is a draft pick between 55 and 60. I hope the Habs resign him if the price is right. But i believe he's worth a pick in the range from 25 to 34. Late 1st to an early 2nd. Maybe he gets another asset with pick 34.
Really how many late 1st rd picks actually make it .

 

[calder candidate]

Monahan isn't plan A for most team but he isn't far off, he can play almost anywhere in the top 9, he top 25 in faceoff, is 5on5 production might now be great compared to onther player on other team but vs. MTL player he is among the leader and one of the better defensively, he produces on the PP but he isn't a passager on a hot PP or riding shut down with elite talent like Kucherov, Draisaitl or Matthews... Speacial team are very important in the playoff if he able to help, I can't see why that would play against him, he is a repected vet around the league and maybe the most important is cap hit is so low he can fit on any team cap without retention.

If a late 1st is expensive look at what team had to paid for player with control or for cap space...
It is expensive if you aren't close to a cup but there only one team that wins the cup most of the top team are top heavy and lack depth, wasting a year of your cup window so you can draft a guy that won't even play in NHL doesn't make sense either.

He had 3 bad season dealing with is hips and now he was operated and there were set back, it is a concern but if he isn't bang up at the TDL it won't be much of a factor since any player can be injured and anytime...

Monahan will get 1st rd pick value, even if there isn't a 1st involved.
What is the last player that got really under underwhelming return at the TDL?

 

[Baksfamous112]

Lehkonen is an example of what you can get out of putting a player with alright production rate 5v5 in a position where his ice time goes up.

Monahan would be an example of the opposite if he goes to play on the 3rd or 4th line and gets less PP time.

Hope that helps.

What’s wrong with that? Even if his production and ice time goes down he’s still a net positive for a contender in the playoff.

A 14-15 minutes veteran who can play up (if injuries) and down the the lineup, win 55%+ of his faceoff and produce at a rate of 0.45 - 0.5 PPG is a net positive for ANY playoff team and hold a ton of value. The lack of depth have robbed a lot of talented/top heavy teams of a Stanley cup.

 

[Bender]

If Monahan had better linemates, he could have been traded to the Capitals - got Ovechkin PAST Gretzky's goal record even before the Trade Deadline propelled the Caps to first place in the East and then the Caps could trade him again for an unbelievable haul.

 

[pth2]

What’s wrong with that? Even if his production and ice time goes down he’s still a net positive for a contender in the playoff.

A 14-15 minutes veteran who can play up (if injuries) and down the the lineup, win 55%+ of his faceoff and produce at a rate of 0.45 - 0.5 PPG is a net positive for ANY playoff team and hold a ton of value. The lack of depth have robbed a lot of talented/top heavy teams of a Stanley cup.

Heck, if he goes on PP1, that says a lot of bad things about the buyer - when NYR got Tarasenko and he took PP1 duties, that had an effect on team chemistry, it's best to get complementary pieces who can make the lower line matchups harder on other teams and offer options if injuries hit.

A guy like Monahan might only play 3 games on PP1 for a Cup winner, but those 3 games might be what keeps them in the playoffs while someone else heals up.

If Monahan had better linemates, he could have been traded to the Capitals - got Ovechkin PAST Gretzky's goal record even before the Trade Deadline propelled the Caps to first place in the East and then the Caps could trade him again for an unbelievable haul.

If Monahan had better linemates, maybe the Habs would be in the playoff picture, and renting him off wouldn't be a consideration.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Maybe it’s the Irish name but Boston seems like a decent fit.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Maybe it’s the Irish name but Boston seems like a decent fit.

There is a trade freeze between the Habs and Boston. Can't remember the last time the two teams made a trade...

 

[pth2]

There is a trade freeze between the Habs and Boston. Can't remember the last time the two teams made a trade...

Patrick Traverse ?
Jeff Hackett ?

 

[pth2]

There is a trade freeze between the Habs and Boston. Can't remember the last time the two teams made a trade...

If Lysell or their 2025 first is on the table, I'm willing to listen, though.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

If Lysell or their 2025 first is on the table, I'm willing to listen, though.

I would as well. They would be a good fit.

 

[calder candidate]

Lehkonen is an example of what you can get out of putting a player with alright production rate 5v5 in a position where his ice time goes up.

Monahan would be an example of the opposite if he goes to play on the 3rd or 4th line and gets less PP time.

Hope that helps.

Lehkonen production didn't just go up because he got more ice time, he when from playing in the middle 6 with Evans and Armia on the worst team in the NHL to playing on a top team with a combination of either Landeskog, Kadri, Mckinnon, Nichushkin Rantanen...

If Monahan play with better player or a better team he will have better results

 

[Romang67]

Lehkonen production didn't just go up because he got more ice time, he when from playing in the middle 6 with Evans and Armia on the worst team in the NHL to playing on a top team with a combination of either Landeskog, Kadri, Mckinnon, Nichushkin Rantanen...

If Monahan play with better player or a better team he will have better results

See earlier posts about Monahan's 5v5 production rates over the past 5 years and Lehkonen's production when he changed teams.

Heck, if he goes on PP1, that says a lot of bad things about the buyer - when NYR got Tarasenko and he took PP1 duties, that had an effect on team chemistry, it's best to get complementary pieces who can make the lower line matchups harder on other teams and offer options if injuries hit.

A guy like Monahan might only play 3 games on PP1 for a Cup winner, but those 3 games might be what keeps them in the playoffs while someone else heals up.


If Monahan had better linemates, maybe the Habs would be in the playoff picture, and renting him off wouldn't be a consideration.

See earlier posts about Monahan's defensive play.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Lehkonen production didn't just go up because he got more ice time, he when from playing in the middle 6 with Evans and Armia on the worst team in the NHL to playing on a top team with a combination of either Landeskog, Kadri, Mckinnon, Nichushkin Rantanen...

If Monahan play with better player or a better team he will have better results

Lehkonen's production went way up playing with much better players. For sure that is true. We knew Lehks was an excellent two-way winger but he wasn't able to provide the kind of production on the Habs due to the lack of talent.

You are 100% correct.

 

[pth2]

Lehkonen's production went way up playing with much better players. For sure that is true. We knew Lehks was an excellent two-way winger but he wasn't able to provide the kind of production on the Habs due to the lack of talent.

You are 100% correct.

I think he found an added gear, though, perhaps gaining offensive confidence when he got more chances with high end players... but in Montreal, he'd have these 20+ game stretches with 1 or 2 goals, which is unacceptable for anyone hoping to play in the top 6, regardless of linemates' talent level.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I think he found an added gear, though, perhaps gaining offensive confidence when he got more chances with high end players... but in Montreal, he'd have these 20+ game stretches with 1 or 2 goals, which is unacceptable for anyone hoping to play in the top 6, regardless of linemates' talent level.

That added gear comes with playing with better talent.

 

[BLONG7]

And how does this answer the rebuttal I presented.

I believe you lump all fans of one team in the same light..................because of a few comments.....

And...............you did not answer my question?

 

[Guess]

True. Montreal fans cherry picking the one or two thing's Monahan is good at does not increase his value.

Excuses, like who Monahan plays with are mitigated by a lot of the advanced stats that have been listed in this thread and level the playing field.

Let's see some of your facts for proving that Monahan is a PP and 5 on 5 play driver. Once again there are plenty of advanced stat and eye test posts in this thread that demonstrate that what I posted is an accurate assessment of Monahan.

I understand Montreal fans wanting to do the pump and dump, but you not wanting to believe stats and facts isn't a reason for the rest of us to dismiss them.

If you have some actual facts that back your position, post them, as the fans that disagree with you have.

Just because you don't want to accept facts, doesn't make them invalid.

Keep relying on advanced stats and you'll get teams like the Leafs that go nowhere.

The Habs during their finals run probably had horrible advanced stats, but intangibles like character (and Price) made up for it.

Wish we could just fast forward to the deadline and find out who's right

 

[Snowman]

Keep relying on advanced stats and you'll get teams like the Leafs that go nowhere.

The Habs during their finals run probably had horrible advanced stats, but intangibles like character (and Price) made up for it.

Wish we could just fast forward to the deadline and find out who's right

Yeah advanced stats aren't the be all end all, but banking on flukes happening on a regular basis isn't going to get you far either.

All those intangibles meant nothing once Montreal got to the final.

 

[Guess]

Yeah advanced stats aren't the be all end all, but banking on flukes happening on a regular basis isn't going to get you far either.

All those intangibles meant nothing once Montreal got to the final.

That's true, just wanted to mention that point. You need both to make it far.

The Habs had really bad injuries that got to them in the finals, but otherwise the Lighting were just too deep at C, at D and G so the Habs couldn't line match like they did with other teams. It's a shame they didn't have the skill to match.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Serious question - did he have more value last deadline, or this one?

 

[HabsAddict]

Serious question - did he have more value last deadline, or this one?

He was injured.

 

[Qwijibo]

Argued with a Vancouver fan today who thought two of thier crappy busting ahl prospects (Johansson and McDonough) would be all it would take to get Monahan at 50% retained. Lol

Serious question - did he have more value last deadline, or this one?

You mean last deadline when he had been out with an injury since the beginning of December? As opposed to this season where he's played every game and looked great?

 

[HuGo boss]

Damn another non point for monahan because it was on the PP