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Cassano said:
OUT: Chapman, Gardner, Andujar, Sanchez, Gregorius
IN: Strasburg, Moustakas, Grandal, Betances, prospects/young players from Sanchez/Andujar trade

C - Grandal
1B - Moustakas
2B- DJ
SS - Torres
3B - Urshella
LF - Tauchman
CF - Hicks
RF - Judge
DH - Stanton

ext: Voit, Wade, Frazier, Romine etc

Strasburg
Tanaka
Severino
Paxton
Crapp/Montgomery

There are a lot of pieces I like from the Mets: Rosario, Conforto, McNeil. But I imagine they'd want to hold onto those players than make a risky move for Sanchez/Andujar. I honestly don't know what we can get for them.

IDK what happened to Gary's ability to draw walks his rookie season, but if he gets to that level we need to keep him.
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I wouldn't trade any of those three for Sanchez and you guys trading Andujar now would be really strange. I don't place much value on him until I see how he's recovering.
 
Mistakes- Thinking we weren't far enough along to trade for Sale
Not being willing to pay Verlander's salary
Trading for Stanton instead of Yelich or Realmuto

And future mistakes
Not getting Cole in the offseason
 
rangersfansince08 said:
And future mistakes
Not getting Cole in the offseason
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I stayed away from here as long as I could specifically for this. You believe that signing a 29 year old to a record deal is the way to go? When the chances of him EVER replicating a season like this is virtually non-existent?

Not to mention this little factoid. Would you rather sign Cole to a record deal for a pitcher or be able to sign both Judge and Torres? You cannot have it both ways.
 
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True Blue said:
I stayed away from here as long as I could specifically for this. You believe that signing a 29 year old to a record deal is the way to go? When the chances of him EVER replicating a season like this is virtually non-existent?

Not to mention this little factoid. Would you rather sign Cole to a record deal for a pitcher or be able to sign both Judge and Torres? You cannot have it both ways.
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Cole was a beast last year too and seems to have turned a corner and currently in his prime.

I'm sorry, but if the Yankees don't go all out to try and get him here, then I'll really start to question leadership. At least with Harper/Machado/Corbin, the former two you could argue weren't really needed here, and Corbin didn't have a long track record of success. Neither is the case with Cole. He's a need and has a good track record of success.
 
Rangerfan4life90 said:
Cole was a beast last year too and seems to have turned a corner and currently in his prime.

I'm sorry, but if the Yankees don't go all out to try and get him here, then I'll really start to question leadership. At least with Harper/Machado/Corbin, the former two you could argue weren't really needed here, and Corbin didn't have a long track record of success. Neither is the case with Cole. He's a need and has a good track record of success.
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Cole just had a year for the ages. The chances of a replication is almost zero. You will be signing a 29 year old for no less than 7-8 years are more than $20m per and hoping that they reproduce something that is likely not happening.

And again, you are ignoring basic math. Would you rather have Judge and Torres here for the long haul or Cole?
 
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True Blue said:
Cole just had a year for the ages. The chances of a replication is almost zero. You will be signing a 29 year old for no less than 7-8 years are more than $20m per and hoping that they reproduce something that is likely not happening.

And again, you are ignoring basic math. Would you rather have Judge and Torres here for the long haul or Cole?
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We could have all three if our idiot GM didn't trade for that overrated bum Stanton. He has a chance to become the most hated Yankee of all time.
 
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LeetchisGod said:
We could have all three if our idiot GM didn't trade for that overrated bum Stanton. He has a chance to become the most hated Yankee of all time.
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Idiot GM? His unemployment would last less than 5 minutes. The Yankees are fortunate to have him in the fold.

When the Stanton trade was made, EVERYONE was singing praises of how they could land a player like that for so little.
 
Another little tidbit on the lack of coaching our batters displayed (that no one besides me seems to care about)

"Huge moment in the game: Gregorius came to the plate with the bases loaded and two outs in the third inning, with the Yankees trailing 3-1 Facing curve-ball specialist Ryan Pressly, Didi swung at the first pitch, rolling over on a curve ball for a weak ground out to second.

Gregorius has a reputation as a first-pitch, fastball hitter, but he had to know the right-handed Pressly's curve ball is the main reason he dominated lefties this year, holding them to a crazy-good .124 batting average.

If the Yankee shortstop was selling out for a first-pitch fastball, he must not have read the scouting report."

How is there not a coach in Didi's ear before the at-bat??? And if there is, how do we have players not listening to their batting coaches in the most pivotal moment in the entire season???
 
True Blue said:
Idiot GM? His unemployment would last less than 5 minutes. The Yankees are fortunate to have him in the fold.

When the Stanton trade was made, EVERYONE was singing praises of how they could land a player like that for so little.
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I wasn't. Stanton is an injury prone, one dimensional player who was coming off a career year. Yelich is left handed, is better defensively and has speed. There are more ways that he helps a team win games than Stanton. Despite having every financial advantage, Cashman has been the architect of only one championship in 20 years as GM. Those late 90s teams were built by Stick Michael and Bob Watson. Most of his starting pitching acquisitions have been terrible. He also has no need for left handed power in Yankee Stadium. Something that has been highly successful for decades before he showed up. He traded for Encarnacion, a .230 hitter who can't play defense and has the speed of a glacier. How was that going to help the team? Cashman has made some good moves but he's also made a lot of terrible ones.
 
True Blue said:
Cole just had a year for the ages. The chances of a replication is almost zero. You will be signing a 29 year old for no less than 7-8 years are more than $20m per and hoping that they reproduce something that is likely not happening.

And again, you are ignoring basic math. Would you rather have Judge and Torres here for the long haul or Cole?
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In that case, good luck signing any free agent that helps the team and makes sense if you continue bringing that up.
 
LeetchisGod said:
I wasn't. Stanton is an injury prone, one dimensional player who was coming off a career year. Yelich is left handed, is better defensively and has speed. There are more ways that he helps a team win games than Stanton. Despite having every financial advantage, Cashman has been the architect of only one championship in 20 years as GM. Those late 90s teams were built by Stick Michael and Bob Watson. Most of his starting pitching acquisitions have been terrible. He also has no need for left handed power in Yankee Stadium. Something that has been highly successful for decades before he showed up. He traded for Encarnacion, a .230 hitter who can't play defense and has the speed of a glacier. How was that going to help the team? Cashman has made some good moves but he's also made a lot of terrible ones.
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Encarnacion may have struggled in the ALCS, but he was a fine move. He also did really good in the ALDS.
 
The Yankees actually have some pretty good starters, but they fail to help them develop after getting to the majors.

It's hard to expect these guys to pitch later in games when every inning is stressful when they don't do it when the games aren't.

Too reliant on the bullpen in the regular season. Let your starters pitch. Paxton went 6 the other night and everyone was throwing a party for him. The best guys go 6 on the regular and when they are dominant, they go 7 or sometimes 8.

You have to let these guys sink or swim a little in the regular season so you can ask them to pitch longer when the games matter the most.

Thing is, I don't see this changing anytime soon. The whole league is going this way, but the teams that are in the WS let their guys pitch for the most part. Maybe it'll swing the other way
 
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True Blue said:
Idiot GM? His unemployment would last less than 5 minutes. The Yankees are fortunate to have him in the fold.

When the Stanton trade was made, EVERYONE was singing praises of how they could land a player like that for so little.
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The Yankees gave up nothing for Stanton. He was well worth the players they gave up. Whether he's worth his contact is another matter. Can the Yankees afford Stanton Cole and then pay judge and Torres? Based on what we know of the financials the answer is yes but they won't do it anyway. That is not on cashman it's on the owners. Its also silly to assume that players are only motivated by money and all you need to get them to play for you is to dangle a few more $ than the next guy. It worked on CC but it won't work on everyone.
 
Rangerfan4life90 said:
And? That doesn't necessarily mean anything. Were you throwing that stat out when Edwin had a very good ALDS against the Twins?
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The point is that a low average right handed power hitter isn't what the team needed. The Twins pitching is hot garbage. Most of our hitters did well against them. As soon as he faced a legit pitching staff he was exposed. 1 for 18 with 11Ks speaks for itself.
 
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sbjnyc said:
The Yankees gave up nothing for Stanton. He was well worth the players they gave up. Whether he's worth his contact is another matter. Can the Yankees afford Stanton Cole and then pay judge and Torres? Based on what we know of the financials the answer is yes but they won't do it anyway. That is not on cashman it's on the owners. Its also silly to assume that players are only motivated by money and all you need to get them to play for you is to dangle a few more $ than the next guy. It worked on CC but it won't work on everyone.
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It's not about what they gave up. It's about the fact that the money that they're paying Stanton could be better allocated. Paying $28 million dollars a year to one dimensional players is not how you build a championship roster.
 
True Blue said:
Idiot GM? His unemployment would last less than 5 minutes. The Yankees are fortunate to have him in the fold.

When the Stanton trade was made, EVERYONE was singing praises of how they could land a player like that for so little.
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Oh, I fully remember that on here for sure. Yankees fans all over were just grinning ear-to-ear about that deal.

I knew it would all fall apart, but who the hell knew it would be that quickly?
 
Hunter Gathers said:
I wouldn't trade any of those three for Sanchez and you guys trading Andujar now would be really strange. I don't place much value on him until I see how he's recovering.
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Andujar is actually garbage. There is a misconception that he is some high upside player.
 
This team just can’t get over the hump. They obviously need more starting pitching, but at some point this lineup is going to have to actually perform up to acceptable standards in the playoffs. It was another disappearing act.
 
The Yankees need to acquire more players like LeMahieu that hit for contact and try to put the ball in play rather than throw their back's out swinging for the fences. They have enough of those players already in Judge, Stanton, and Sanchez.

An ace of the rotation would help greatly, but the lack of killer instinct and the number of men LOB in scoring position is what lost the series and not the pitching.
 
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