Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[stickty111]

And don't forget, smartest player in hockey history and he's an all-star to boot. Pasta be damned, objectively speaking, I don't see how Boston stands a chance against us in the playoffs as long as the best passer in the game is on our side.

What is he even doing here?

 

[TMLAM34]

What is he even doing here?

The game is definitely a lot faster in person but regardless if you see a wide open net for just a second that puck should be on and off your stick instantly… Marner always has moments he tries to be too fancy and it hurts him at times.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I do believe they need a reset. I just feel that Mariner is willing to play defence and Willy consistently has not put in the effort. He has too many bone headed plays and starts to float. An amazing talent Willy is but he gives up way too many chances on the d side. He was directly responsible for two goals last night. I'd as him to waive this summer and see if you can get young dmen and some pics. Marriner and Mathews is a good pair, they really need another and Bertuzzi is starting to play better, I would resign Tyler. A lot of holes on this team.

It's hard for me to have faith in Marner at this point but we'll see what happens in the spring. Marner's better than Nylander defensively, and it's not close, Nylander on the other hand has been an offensive force this season. Matthews is having one of the best goal scoring seasons in history and he's playing with the guy who some say is the best passer in the game. Nylander is playing with guys like Domi/Bertuzzi/JT who are not in the same league and are all having mediocre seasons so how is it even possible that Nylander leads the team in scoring? It's miraculous, I don't know how else to put it. He's obviously taken a massive leap forward this season and I have to say Nylander >>> Marner offensively. What swings it for me, is the fact that unlike Marner, Nylander consistently brings it in the playoffs and to me, that is everything. Matthews is an enigma, I'll just leave it that.

I would ask Marner to waive and moving on from him is realistically the only way to do a "reset", but as I said earlier, they'll probably resign him for billions and stay the course even though it's leading us nowhere. We just have to keep hoping that these guys "figure it out" but hard to see it happening.

What is he even doing here?

I'm gonna give him a pass on this one just because it's a regular season game, everyone f***s up now and then and overall, Marner is regular season money in the bank. His MO is to fade away after 86 games, we'll see what happens in the spring. Is it same old, same old, or does he start to re-write the narrative?

The game is definitely a lot faster in person but regardless if you see a wide open net for just a second that puck should be on and off your stick instantly… Marner always has moments he tries to be too fancy and it hurts him at times.

True enough. I recently read here that the game slows down for Marner so you'd think this empty net should be a gimme for him. But whatever, I give him a pass, shit happens, just show us that you're capable of playing past the 86 game mark for a change.

 

[Antropovsky]

When someone gets 94 points compared to 73 I really don't think it's smart to ask who had the better season...pace be damned. Even their own teammates voted Marner as the MVP that year.

So Ryan Nugent Hopkins was better than Marner last year?

 

[Smif]

So Ryan Nugent Hopkins was better than Marner last year?

A five point spread is quite a bit different than a 21 point spread.

Great example.

 

[diceman934]

See that people are still piling on Marner....he is a gem. Love him. Either open your eyes or admit you hate him for no reason.

 

[diceman934]

We are stuck with him...thank God!!

 

[Aashir]

See that people are still piling on Marner....he is a gem. Love him. Either open your eyes or admit you hate him for no reason.

What type of gatekeeping is this?

“If you don’t agree with me you are a hater for no reason”

Marner is a great, but flawed player like any. He’s had good stretches and bad stretches, this year the consistency hasn’t been there like the past 2-3 years

People “piling” on him for calling out his soft plays isn’t hating either. Those are the type of plays that lead us to first round exits (this part applies to all the core 3, but I’m talking about him rn).

He spends as much time playing RD as he does RW and that isn’t something you want from him, it takes away his shooting threat and that’s when he is most dangerous

 

[Racer88]

The frustrating thing at least for me is we have been seeing the same thing out of these guys for 7 years. They havnt learned a single thing about commitment and what it’s going to take to win. When the games are easy, sure they win but we have debated, discussed and argued for 5-7 years and here we are still seeing the same this out of them. At least the crappy leaf teams in the past simply had no talent and did what they could.

 

[Ports]

The crazy thing is that the Leafs top three forward group are all great talents individually . Unfortunately, they take too much of the cap and are not capable of delivering in the playoffs because the game changes and they can’t produce in tighter checking, more physical hockey. Take your pick but one of them has to go or they won’t be able to build a deep enough team.

 

[Gary Nylund]

See that people are still piling on Marner....he is a gem. Love him. Either open your eyes or admit you hate him for no reason.

Counterpoint:
His production drops off a cliff after 86 games. Either open your eyes and admit that this has been the reality and it detracts from his value, or admit that your extreme bias prevents you from being objective.

 

[ACC1224]

See that people are still piling on Marner....he is a gem. Love him. Either open your eyes or admit you hate him for no reason.

That lazer beam shot he's developed is a thing of beauty.

 

[diceman934]

Counterpoint:
His production drops off a cliff after 86 games. Either open your eyes and admit that this has been the reality and it detracts from his value, or admit that your extreme bias prevents you from being objective.

Lol...

Before it was he does not show up in the playoffs and yet he got 14 points last year and was a plus 7.

He needs players to finish the chances he feeds them. His coach is still an idiot and over plays him in regular season
He leads the team in playoff points since he got here and yet people still think he does not produce in playoffs. He is just under a point per game in the playoffs. That is great production for a player who's team has yet to make a run in the playoffs.

Counterpoint:
His production drops off a cliff after 86 games. Either open your eyes and admit that this has been the reality and it detracts from his value, or admit that your extreme bias prevents you from being objective.

I am bias I love great players.

 

[diceman934]

What type of gatekeeping is this?

“If you don’t agree with me you are a hater for no reason”

Marner is a great, but flawed player like any. He’s had good stretches and bad stretches, this year the consistency hasn’t been there like the past 2-3 years

People “piling” on him for calling out his soft plays isn’t hating either. Those are the type of plays that lead us to first round exits (this part applies to all the core 3, but I’m talking about him rn).

He spends as much time playing RD as he does RW and that isn’t something you want from him, it takes away his shooting threat and that’s when he is most dangerous

Yet this year will be his highest point production. He is far from soft. He is not the reason why we have lacked playoff success. Goaltending and weak defense and poor coaching are the main reasons.

 

[Aashir]

Yet this year will be his highest point production. He is far from soft. He is not the reason why we have lacked playoff success. Goaltending and weak defense and poor coaching are the main reasons.

He is soft, just watching him you can see how soft he is, he always plays at the point, never scores any greasy goals and whenever it looks like he’s gonna turn the page and become a physical player, he reverts back to the passive perimeter play that is his bread and butter.

this year is on pace for his highest but is definitely his weakest of the past 3. Last year he had that point streak and was apart of a really solid pk, and played with a slumping matthews, the year prior he had a 110 pace and was also very good defensively, this year is not as good as those two as he plays with a better player on his line statistically, and our pk is not as good. Not all of the Pk is his fault, but if he gets credit for the pk he deserves some flak for its failures too

He’s not the sole reason, but he along with the other 3 are the biggest reasons.

As for the goaltending and defense, if we need a strong goaltender and strong defense, why tf do we pay our offensive stars so much, they should be able to make up for bad goaltending or defence, yet time and time again they get excuses made for them that we “got goalied”, when our philosophy is to overpay our guys. Their collective overpayments cost us a top 4dman and a goalie, they took that money because they should be able to overcome having one less top4 dman or an elite goaltender

 

[ToneDog]

He is soft, just watching him you can see how soft he is, he always plays at the point, never scores any greasy goals and whenever it looks like he’s gonna turn the page and become a physical player, he reverts back to the passive perimeter play that is his bread and butter.

this year is on pace for his highest but is definitely his weakest of the past 3. Last year he had that point streak and was apart of a really solid pk, and played with a slumping matthews, the year prior he had a 110 pace and was also very good defensively, this year is not as good as those two as he plays with a better player on his line statistically, and our pk is not as good. Not all of the Pk is his fault, but if he gets credit for the pk he deserves some flak for its failures too

He’s not the sole reason, but he along with the other 3 are the biggest reasons.

As for the goaltending and defense, if we need a strong goaltender and strong defense, why tf do we pay our offensive stars so much, they should be able to make up for bad goaltending or defence, yet time and time again they get excuses made for them that we “got goalied”, when our philosophy is to overpay our guys. Their collective overpayments cost us a top 4dman and a goalie, they took that money because they should be able to overcome having one less top4 dman or an elite goaltender

Amazing how he and Willie are so slippery that they manage to avoid big hits like the one Marchand delivered on Knies last night. I know if I was an opposing coach I would tell my rats to hit them every chance they get until they disappear.

 

[MarMarSab3]

There are 3 guys on this roster that need to go, Marner, Tavares and Reilly.

You can't have Matthews and Marner on the same team, they are your stars and both are passive and premadonnas, I've always wanted to see what Matthews is without Marner on this team.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Lol...

Before it was he does not show up in the playoffs and yet he got 14 points last year and was a plus 7.

He needs players to finish the chances he feeds them. His coach is still an idiot and over plays him in regular season
He leads the team in playoff points since he got here and yet people still think he does not produce in playoffs. He is just under a point per game in the playoffs. That is great production for a player who's team has yet to make a run in the playoffs.

I said he drops off a cliff after 86 games, not playoffs.

He plays with Matthews FFS, what you don't think Matthews is good at finishing chances? Seriously?

I'd love to blame the coach, but it seems weird that he's fine for the first few games, then he's too tired or something. How do you explain this?

Marner's playoff production:
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Games 1-4 - 1.19 PPG
Games 5-7 - 0.47 PPG

 

[Gary Nylund]

I am bias I love great players.

So do we all. And for 86 games a year, I love Marner. Then I watched him be the worst player on the ice against Florida in game 3 (the biggest game of the year) and I wonder what the hell happened to him.

 

[666]

Nylander is playing with guys like Domi/Bertuzzi/JT who are not in the same league and are all having mediocre seasons so how is it even possible that Nylander leads the team in scoring? It's miraculous

It's amazing that you guys need this stuff explained to you. M&M almost always play against the opponents top lines. They play against the best and also play with Knives and his 26 points. Nylander and JT etc get sheltered by that and play against weaker opponents.

I won't use advanced stats as that will just confuse you.

Marner at 5v5 has been on the ice for 52 goals for and 32 goals against. This is the best on the team.
Nylander at 5v5 has been on the ice for 43 goals for and 47 goals against. This is 23rd on the team.

 

[thewave]

It's amazing that you guys need this stuff explained to you. M&M almost always play against the opponents top lines. They play against the best and also play with Knives and his 26 points. Nylander and JT etc get sheltered by that and play against weaker opponents.

I won't use advanced stats as that will just confuse you.

Marner at 5v5 has been on the ice for 52 goals for and 32 goals against. This is the best on the team.
Nylander at 5v5 has been on the ice for 43 goals for and 47 goals against. This is 23rd on the team.

WN plays with JTs animated corpse ffs.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I said he drops off a cliff after 86 games, not playoffs.

He plays with Matthews FFS, what you don't think Matthews is good at finishing chances? Seriously?

I'd love to blame the coach, but it seems weird that he's fine for the first few games, then he's too tired or something. How do you explain this?

Marner's playoff production:
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Games 1-4 - 1.19 PPG
Games 5-7 - 0.47 PPG

Marner being a choker wouldn't be such an issue if he owned it.

His defiant "us vs them" attitude pits players against fans. Furthermore he seems to think failure should be distributed evenly among the team. Even though the bulk of toi goes to only a select few.

Made sure to take his fair share of the salary cap too.

 

[666]

WN plays with JTs animated corpse ffs.

He plays with Matthews FFS,

The haters seem to be bit touchy today.

 

[thewave]

The haters seem to be bit touchy today.

Matthews is one of the best Cs in the league while being the best goal scorer. What the heck?

 

[Smif]

There are 3 guys on this roster that need to go, Marner, Tavares and Reilly.

You can't have Matthews and Marner on the same team, they are your stars and both are passive and premadonnas, I've always wanted to see what Matthews is without Marner on this team.

Toronto's grittiest teams in the 2000's had Sundin and Mogilny as their two best players, pretty similar personalities to Matthews and Marner except the latter two are just flat out better.

It all comes down to Tavares, he's slow, not great defensively, doesn't PK and has pretty much zero intangibles. When his contract is up our team is going to look a lot more complete especially if we keep adding the gritty types that Brad is adding.