Player Discussion Mitch Marner
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DarkKnight
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He's great on the PK. One of the few bright sides there.And thank god for that.
You can't play like crap defensively for the first two months of the season and still be a Selke nominee... Unless the award is all about reputation and popularity votes.
You need to play well in all zones for the whole season to be considered for Selke. 50 games in and he's been good for weeks now. Great.
Stop pretending he can be super elite now and somehow offset the first months...he is nowhere near Selke level this year. This is not Rocket race, he can't kill 5 PKs ( not that he is any good and preventing goals on PK) to get back on top
Do you think he should win Selke this year?
Who was the last Leaf even nominated for a Selke? I bet you just fluffed that off last year too.
People like you deserve a team of John Mitchell's. It's just a joke how you go out of your way to slag him. He had a slow start, he's been fairly consistent the last 20, very good in our end, limiting turnovers, getting Matthews his looks and playing hard minutes. Again, hockey people see it, I'll take that over some rant here. Enjoy the all-star game.
Gary Nylund
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Who gives a crap about the Selke? It's a meaningless award that many have pointed out is based mostly on reputation. If you really want to bring awards voting into it, why not look at the Hart/Lindsay awards that are open to everyone and have no weird criteria that only judges one part of the game. Do that and I think you'll find that that Marner doesn't have much in the way in top 10 finishes in that regard, nor has he out performed the players he's most often compared to that have taken up less cap space over the years. Sorry but this bolded crap is 100% irrelevant - Marner should be compared to his compareables, not ghosts of the crappy Leaf teams of the past that we've been subjected to over the years. Nice John Mitchell rant though. It's pretty funny how you go out of your way to slag anyone who dares to criticize Marner.
Marner is a very good hockey player, at least until the last few playoff games every year when he falls off a cliff. He's not worth his cap hit though, that's obvious. And before you start whining, that's not a criticism of him but of Dubas. And even if it was (and again, it's not), it's nothing that isn't true of Tavares/Nylander/Matthews, not being worth his cap hit makes him fit right in on our "parade of stars".
Yes he's good on the PK, no argument there. He's very good, and fun to watch to boot.
We can't afford to pay this guy 13+ if that is what he is looking for. I rather spend that cap on our issues, defence and depth on the wing.
thewave
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I would trade Nylander before his NMC kicks. 11.5m is too high
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I said last year that Marner would be the best Leafs player in the playoffs. He wasn’t.
When the Leafs were in a must win playoff game, he was awful. It looked like he was intimidated.
Last year is over and it’s time for Marner to step up and prove his worth. It looks like they’ll make the playoffs this year and Marner has to perform, if he cracks again, they have to consider moving him.
When the Leafs were in a must win playoff game, he was awful. It looked like he was intimidated.
Last year is over and it’s time for Marner to step up and prove his worth. It looks like they’ll make the playoffs this year and Marner has to perform, if he cracks again, they have to consider moving him.
It kicked in on July 1?
thewave
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He has an NMC enforced. You cant move him. I believe you can move Nylander. Outside of that you can walk from him or JT after it expires. Thats all we have.
Marner NMC kicked in July
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You can try to move him. That’s a dumb excuse. They can be waived.
thewave
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Yes but its a case of please waive for us. Then he says only if its LA or NY etc. They offer us trash. Nylander comes with term and NMC is not enforced yet.
Marner is a very good player but spending 23 million on two right wingers is beyond stupid. Who builds a team like that? Since we have committed to William for 8 more years I think it’s the end of the line for Mitch. Unless the team miraculously wins, which would show spending all that cap on 2 right wingers does indeed work.
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Yes, you’ll have negotiate. Sign and trade is an option so he can get the 8th year.
These move clauses have to be addressed. Calle Jarnkrok should never have one.
ToneDog
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Nylander's NMC kicked in the minute he signed. Playoff results will dictate which direction they will go IMO. Marner is the guy you move after July 1st if you decide to go in a different direction and if you cannot find suitable trade partner than Marner will agree to extend with you let him walk for cap space.
Of course, this being the Leafs and Shannascam, they will overpay him and run it back again, and lose again. It is almost a guarantee next year with Tavares further declining.
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thewave
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I just looked. It is now reported by cap friendly that hos 23 24 status is NMC enforced. It was not prior to his new contract. It was limited.
Added protection. We give these guys the world and cant get a round.
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Think Gilmour was the last . Probably only one that was a Leaf as far as i know .
The Selke or Norris for that matter are quite often retained by reputation once those players get noticed at that level but to get noticed at all usually takes years and does mean a lot. I mean it's not hard to look at the winners and nominees over the years and see how good the players are .Who gives a crap about the Selke? It's a meaningless award that many have pointed out is based mostly on reputation. If you really want to bring awards voting into it, why not look at the Hart/Lindsay awards that are open to everyone and have no weird criteria that only judges one part of the game. Do that and I think you'll find that that Marner doesn't have much in the way in top 10 finishes in that regard, nor has he out performed the players he's most often compared to that have taken up less cap space over the years. Sorry but this bolded crap is 100% irrelevant - Marner should be compared to his compareables, not ghosts of the crappy Leaf teams of the past that we've been subjected to over the years. Nice John Mitchell rant though. It's pretty funny how you go out of your way to slag anyone who dares to criticize Marner.
Marner is a very good hockey player, at least until the last few playoff games every year when he falls off a cliff. He's not worth his cap hit though, that's obvious. And before you start whining, that's not a criticism of him but of Dubas. And even if it was (and again, it's not), it's nothing that isn't true of Tavares/Nylander/Matthews, not being worth his cap hit makes him fit right in on our "parade of stars".
Yes he's good on the PK, no argument there. He's very good, and fun to watch to boot.
Hart itself is subjective and like most awards , more a popularity contest not necessarily who's the best complete players .
Arzak
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I get it, it's not a small achievement, winning Selke would cement his Leafs legacy even more.
My point was more about Selke justifying AAV. If we look at the most prolific winner of this award - Patrice Bergeron - he won 6 times and was nominated 12 times, yet his AAV never reached $7M.
All I'm saying, you can't justify his current cap hit with Selke nomination and that's not even considering he flat out sucked ass on D for good two months.
You forgot to answer the only question I had for you, let me try it again.
Do you think he should win a Selke this year?
Even putting aside that all of his main contracts would have been over 7m under the current cap, you seem to be forgetting that 5 of those 6 wins and 10 of those 12 nominations came after his last big signing, and he didn't have the elite offense that Marner does.
He maybe didn't have the "elite" passing of Marner, but he scored more goals and was significantly better defensively (since Marner entered the league, and Patrice retired, 2016-2023). I take Patrice every day of the week over Marner given the choice. Marner certainly isn't worth the premium he is placing on himself (as reported).
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Arzak
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So he still had Selke win and additional nomination vs Marner?
Anyway you slice it, it's winger with nomination vs Selke winner C and the best face-off man in the league.
oh and UFA. Not RFA like Mitch
ACC1224
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If we're being honest, the fact that Marner was nominated for the Selke as a winger is incredible on its own.
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notDatsyuk
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Moving Nylander to 2C would mitigate that somewhat. Having a 2C making $11.5 starting next year, while not optimal, isn't anywhere near as bad as having a 2C making $11 for the past 5 years.
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