Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[Confucius]

I would disagree with that. Nylander seemed to have a very hard time compiling high volume points early in his career relative to Marner even on nights when he looked more involved in the offense. Marner has always been more efficient in that department.

You think the stat is incorrect? Or my assumption William would have even more assists if he actually spent more time playing with Mathews?

 

[Stephen]

You think the stat is incorrect? Or my assumption William would have even more assists if he actually spent more time playing with Mathews?

Nylander did spend a lot of time playing with Matthews and his numbers always lagged behind the other two. For a big chunk of his career Willie has “struggled” to have a stats line reflective of his talent level.

Marner started pulling away from Nylander the year Tavares arrived and he hit 90+ points. He wasn’t riding on Matthews coattails. Marner is a legitimate points machine.

 

[Confucius]

Nylander did spend a lot of time playing with Matthews and his numbers always lagged behind the other two. For a big chunk of his career Willie has “struggled” to have a stats line reflective of his talent level.

Marner started pulling away from Nylander the year Tavares arrived and he hit 90+ points. He wasn’t riding on Matthews coattails. Marner is a legitimate points machine.

JT and Marner did play well together the 1st year JT was here, should have kept them together. He could have kept feeding JT and well Mathews could produce with either of them equally as well.

Intersrtingly enough last year Marner earned 63 assists while playing with Mathews and William had 42

Keep in mind these assists were for all players while the 2 were on the ice, not just Mathews goals.

 

[LeafEgo]

I see pigs flying before Mitchie takes a discount, and why should he, Leafs always overpay it's the one thing they're consistent at............

Willy signing before Marner was good for Willy and bad for Marner. Think if Willy walked this summer, Marner would get whatever he asked for. You're fairly desperate to make sure you keep one of them, and UFA's have the leverage - Willy got to use that, and at a perfect time to boot.

But with a superstar RW locked up, along with a superstar C locked up, Marners value to the team drops. No good reason to overpay, out of circumstance.

 

[ToneDog]

Willy signing before Marner was good for Willy and bad for Marner. Think if Willy walked this summer, Marner would get whatever he asked for. You're fairly desperate to make sure you keep one of them, and UFA's have the leverage - Willy got to use that, and at a perfect time to boot.

But with a superstar RW locked up, along with a superstar C locked up, Marners value to the team drops. No good reason to overpay, out of circumstance.

Do not kid yourself, they will overpay Marner too because they will say there were no better options. The end of JT's contract opens up the door for an overpayment. Count on it.

 

[notdoneyet]

It's funny, Marner is having a bad year and Nylander is having a career year yet Marner has 3 less goals and 8 less points while being the better all around player.

And marner is 10 times better defensively

 

[notdoneyet]

Willy signing before Marner was good for Willy and bad for Marner. Think if Willy walked this summer, Marner would get whatever he asked for. You're fairly desperate to make sure you keep one of them, and UFA's have the leverage - Willy got to use that, and at a perfect time to boot.

But with a superstar RW locked up, along with a superstar C locked up, Marners value to the team drops. No good reason to overpay, out of circumstance.

I find it hard to believe that you actually believe that Willy signing drops marners value. Willy will revert back to his disappearing act for 10 or so games like he has every year he has been here.
Just like the narrative that Willy is this great scoring machine and much better than Mitch

Marner 554 games 188 goals 419 assists and 607 points
Marner has scored 20 goals this year
Nylander 568 games 200 goals 291 assists 491 points
Nylander has 23 goals this year

Nylander has played 14 more games than marner and has scored 12 more goals

No way does any of your agendas about Mitch not being a goal scorer have any substance whatsoever

 

[Divine]

It's funny, Marner is having a bad year and Nylander is having a career year yet Marner has 3 less goals and 8 less points while being the better all around player.

Let’s try putting Nylander with Matthews together and Marner and Tavares + Bertuzzi and we’ll see how fast Marner’s dad gets Keefe on the line.

The fact Nylander carrying around Bertuzzi and Tavares is outscoring both Matthews and Marner is telling enough.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Let’s try putting Nylander with Matthews together and Marner and Tavares + Bertuzzi and we’ll see how fast Marner’s dad gets Keefe on the line.

The fact Nylander carrying around Bertuzzi and Tavares is outscoring both Matthews and Marner is telling enough.

Preach Brother....Those 2 guys have been black holes for a long time and people wonder why Willy is not being "Dominant" like he was in the earlier part of the season. He can't score every single game (that's AM's job) and if he doesn't...those 2 are going to drag you down. JT couldn't even score on the PP let alone 5v5. If you left AM with Willy all season I am sure Willy would get more goals because of the teams locking on AM and it would open it up for himself.

 

[DarkKnight]

I wish we spent more time looking beyond points. It’s like his Selke nomination is a minor factor here, which speaks a lot to agendas. His defence has been fantastic for weeks now, back to what we saw last year. The former players get it, wish we could be a bit more sophisticated here, but hatred is pretty primal so…

 

[ACC1224]

I wish we spent more time looking beyond points. It’s like his Selke nomination is a minor factor here, which speaks a lot to agendas. His defence has been fantastic for weeks now, back to what we saw last year. The former players get it, wish we could be a bit more sophisticated here, but hatred is pretty primal so…

Most of it is dumb, easy to ignore.
Once they mention the father you know what’s to follow is going to be a little simple. Just scroll past.

 

[DarkKnight]

Most of it is dumb, easy to ignore.
Once they mention the father you know what’s to follow is going to be a little simple. Just scroll past.

I like the dad cracks, I just stop reading. Thanks.

 

[rumman]

Willy signing before Marner was good for Willy and bad for Marner. Think if Willy walked this summer, Marner would get whatever he asked for. You're fairly desperate to make sure you keep one of them, and UFA's have the leverage - Willy got to use that, and at a perfect time to boot.

But with a superstar RW locked up, along with a superstar C locked up, Marners value to the team drops. No good reason to overpay, out of circumstance.

They’ll over pay Marner too, don’t kid yourself, because it’s what the Leafs do instead of winning cups……..

 

[Menzinger]

In the summer, gving him the Matthews raise (1.6 mil) aav seems like it should.be more than fair. Puts him around 12.5 per, on a term of around 7-8 years should seem easy enough for both sides.

Whether or not it goes that way is anyone's guess

 

[arso40]

Let’s try putting Nylander with Matthews together and Marner and Tavares + Bertuzzi and we’ll see how fast Marner’s dad gets Keefe on the line.

The fact Nylander carrying around Bertuzzi and Tavares is outscoring both Matthews and Marner is telling enough.

it’s actually crazy people ignore how bad Mitch looked when he was supposed to carry that line to the point they broke up the top line Matthews scores every game that’s a point a game for mitch

 

[Confucius]

Willy signing before Marner was good for Willy and bad for Marner. Think if Willy walked this summer, Marner would get whatever he asked for. You're fairly desperate to make sure you keep one of them, and UFA's have the leverage - Willy got to use that, and at a perfect time to boot.

But with a superstar RW locked up, along with a superstar C locked up, Marners value to the team drops. No good reason to overpay, out of circumstance.

Exactly we already have signed a number 1 right winger for 8 years. Since wing is generally considered less valuable than a center or top pairing D, we really shouldn’t be paying top salary for another winger even if he deserves it. We have to allocate money for Defence.

 

[Dreakmur]

In the summer, gving him the Matthews raise (1.6 mil) aav seems like it should.be more than fair. Puts him around 12.5 per, on a term of around 7-8 years should seem easy enough for both sides.

Whether or not it goes that way is anyone's guess

He won’t take a number that allows this team to compete for the Stanley Cup. The team > any player, so he's gotta go.

That decision was made when they committed to Nylander.

 

[Confucius]

He won’t take a number that allows this team to compete for the Stanley Cup. The team > any player, so he's gotta go.

That decision was made when they committed to Nylander.

Seems obvious, team will have this season and next to win with Mitch. If we do well no problem after all it would prove this works. If it’s more of the same for sure something has to change and William and Matty have signed.

Edit to add: I’ve read a lot of posts with the phrase “It would be so Leafy”. Here is my contribution, it would be so Leafy to win with the 2 local boys gone.

 

[BraveCanadian]

It's funny, Marner is having a bad year and Nylander is having a career year yet Marner has 3 less goals and 8 less points while being the better all around player.

You noticed that too? How about Nylander going immediately back to floater mode the moment the ink was dry?

 

[Divine]

You noticed that too? How about Nylander going immediately back to floater mode the moment the ink was dry?

Tavares has 1 point since Nylander signed
Bertuzzi has 2 points since Nylander signed
Nylander has 7.

Is out scoring your linemates by 3.5 and 7x not good enough? Can’t put up many points when your linemates can’t score on open nets when you set them up.

 

[thewave]

They’ll over pay Marner too, don’t kid yourself, because it’s what the Leafs do instead of winning cups……..

Honestly who cares who they overpay anymore. It's not a team serious about winning Cups, it'a about winning Coffee Mug sales. I know I have checked out on them emotionally now. I catch the games I can, no more getting worked up. We'll see what they do in the PO's.

Marner is going to get 13m obviously.

 

[arso40]

Tavares has 1 point since Nylander signed
Bertuzzi has 2 points since Nylander signed
Nylander has 7.

Is out scoring your linemates by 3.5 and 7x not good enough? Can’t put up many points when your linemates can’t score on open nets when you set them up.

And that’s the part I don’t get he hasn’t been the willie in Sweden but to harp on what he’s done with those two knowing when marner was with them they looked even worst and keefe had to make the excuse that willie wasn’t contributing to mattys goals so he can put willie there to drive the line again What are you guys watching different than me

 

[ZEBROA]

Sometimes when Matthews struggles or are back from injury he play with Nylander but as soon as he gets hot , they always put Marner back at his right. This has been happening many times. Its like they use Nylander as the start engine and then put Marner in as the Turbo. Problem is when Tavares sucks , he need the turbo or be on the third line or they just waste Nylanders upside.

 

[Arzak]

I wish we spent more time looking beyond points. It’s like his Selke nomination is a minor factor here, which speaks a lot to agendas. His defence has been fantastic for weeks now, back to what we saw last year. The former players get it, wish we could be a bit more sophisticated here, but hatred is pretty primal so…

And thank god for that.

You can't play like crap defensively for the first two months of the season and still be a Selke nominee... Unless the award is all about reputation and popularity votes.

You need to play well in all zones for the whole season to be considered for Selke. 50 games in and he's been good for weeks now. Great.


Stop pretending he can be super elite now and somehow offset the first months...he is nowhere near Selke level this year. This is not Rocket race, he can't kill 5 PKs ( not that he is any good and preventing goals on PK) to get back on top


Do you think he should win Selke this year?

 

[ANDI P IS CUTE]

you dont win with our star players in the playoffs, too soft, too scared to get hit.