Mitch Marner "waiting for something good from you" edition part III

[supermann_98]

His startling lack of creativity and effort made me wonder what the hell happened to this kid? Look at this video compared to the shell of what's floating out there 22 minutes a game nowadays.


It truly looks as if he's mentally checked out, and no longer wants to play hockey anymore. I'm fearful if it continues we're gonna have a Drouin situation on our hands

 

[DarkKnight]

Marner needs to be better. Also true, he’s become a outlet for people who hate their lives. The obsession actually says more than the “commentary”. I find it weird personally.

Enjoy.

 

[dubplatepressure]

For all the stink emanating from one Mitchell Marner, there's always another story in the NHL world ready to overshadow it.

All of us Leafers whether you're from the Nation or you're from the pyromaniacal LeaFland take note. Without being asked by anybody St Paddy Roy has stated out loud and without shame that he is definitely interested in the Canadiens top job, but and it's a Kardashian sized but, "would consider any other top job in the game."

So I know there's a small but very loud contingent that 1. Wants Marner gone. and 2. Wants Dubious gone with him.

Given the information available I would say to be careful, and mean really careful what you wish for.

We all want playoff success. We want a team that hustles. That WANTS to win. We don't want to win by way of advanced metrics, scoring chances, "estimated/expected goals", etc. We want a team of gamers.

Unfortunately, we don't have that, and going back to Kessel and beyond we've had a culture of 85% (effort).

We've compounded this by way of contracts for players who can never exceed the value of their contract. Marner will only - at best - play to the pay rate. He will never exceed the value of his contract like someone like Spezza is. Hell even Willy this year is exceeding his contract value.

This season was a gamble that the core could pull it together and find a way to break through that ceiling. So far they've came out looking like they've already hit their ceiling and are now going in the other direction.

All signs point to a Marner trade - grab a top-30 pick and a young forward or D and move in another direction. JT and Mathhews are here for at least another year or two, with Kampf and Kerfoot at least next year as 3 and 4Cs. Book's out on a Rielly extension. Holl is likely gone if he plays at the rate he is now, and we'll inevitably see Lilly and Sandin as full timers next year if not later this year. Amirov, Anderson, and Robertson will swap in for the likes of Amadio, Simmonds, Spezza if he decides to retire, and maybe one of Ritchie or Kase if either one leaves. The composition of the team will look much different especially of Rielly cannot get extended.

 

[Clark4Ever]

It's clear that the white noise has gotten to him. He looks like he's playing with a dark cloud hanging over him.

He has brought it on himself though so it's tough to feel any empathy. I really hope he figures his way out of it and gets back to being the player he once was, but I'm not sure it's possible in Toronto.

If he continues down this path, the fans are going to turn on him and they will be vocal about it. He could get booed right out of town.

 

[therealkoho]

We all want playoff success. We want a team that hustles. That WANTS to win. We don't want to win by way of advanced metrics, scoring chances, "estimated/expected goals", etc. We want a team of gamers.

Unfortunately, we don't have that, and going back to Kessel and beyond we've had a culture of 85% (effort).

We've compounded this by way of contracts for players who can never exceed the value of their contract. Marner will only - at best - play to the pay rate. He will never exceed the value of his contract like someone like Spezza is. Hell even Willy this year is exceeding his contract value.

This season was a gamble that the core could pull it together and find a way to break through that ceiling. So far they've came out looking like they've already hit their ceiling and are now going in the other direction.

All signs point to a Marner trade - grab a top-30 pick and a young forward or D and move in another direction. JT and Mathhews are here for at least another year or two, with Kampf and Kerfoot at least next year as 3 and 4Cs. Book's out on a Rielly extension. Holl is likely gone if he plays at the rate he is now, and we'll inevitably see Lilly and Sandin as full timers next year if not later this year. Amirov, Anderson, and Robertson will swap in for the likes of Amadio, Simmonds, Spezza if he decides to retire, and maybe one of Ritchie or Kase if either one leaves. The composition of the team will look much different especially of Rielly cannot get extended.

Excellent reiteration.

Thanks for the update, I'll try to pay more attention in the future, I promise.

 

[Clark4Ever]

We all want playoff success. We want a team that hustles. That WANTS to win. We don't want to win by way of advanced metrics, scoring chances, "estimated/expected goals", etc. We want a team of gamers.

Unfortunately, we don't have that, and going back to Kessel and beyond we've had a culture of 85% (effort).

We've compounded this by way of contracts for players who can never exceed the value of their contract. Marner will only - at best - play to the pay rate. He will never exceed the value of his contract like someone like Spezza is. Hell even Willy this year is exceeding his contract value.

This season was a gamble that the core could pull it together and find a way to break through that ceiling. So far they've came out looking like they've already hit their ceiling and are now going in the other direction.

All signs point to a Marner trade - grab a top-30 pick and a young forward or D and move in another direction. JT and Mathhews are here for at least another year or two, with Kampf and Kerfoot at least next year as 3 and 4Cs. Book's out on a Rielly extension. Holl is likely gone if he plays at the rate he is now, and we'll inevitably see Lilly and Sandin as full timers next year if not later this year. Amirov, Anderson, and Robertson will swap in for the likes of Amadio, Simmonds, Spezza if he decides to retire, and maybe one of Ritchie or Kase if either one leaves. The composition of the team will look much different especially of Rielly cannot get extended.

Dubas will get fired before he even considers trading Marner.

If things don't change, it could happen in the off season with a new GM at the helm.

 

[therealkoho]

It's clear that the white noise has gotten to him. He looks like he's playing with a dark cloud hanging over him.

He has brought it on himself though so it's tough to feel any empathy. I really hope he figures his way out of it and gets back to being the player he once was, but I'm not sure it's possible in Toronto.

If he continues down this path, the fans are going to turn on him and they will be vocal about it. He could get booed right out of town.

According to the majority of posts LeaFland is already at the hydrochloric acid reflux stage of tolerance for MM

 

[Rogue Leader]

When he pulled his stunt off with the team should’ve been traded at that point he’s a big crybaby no one is bigger than the team if you allow that then you’re re-creating the Muskoka five

Completely agree! It was all foreshadowed. But now we are stuck with him. Dubas as GM of the Leafs will never trade Marner.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Dubas will get fired before he even considers trading Marner.

If things don't change, it could happen in the off season with a new GM at the helm.

Sure - definitely a possibility.

 

[HarryLime]

He's built like a pro gamer, not a hockey player.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

he still hasn't been on the ice for a 5v5 goal for, even though he leads the forwards in 5v5 minutes. He's just completely useless and doesn't seem to have any idea how to contribute. And of course, he's getting way too much rope from Keefe

 

[Oscar Peterson]

he still hasn't been on the ice for a 5v5 goal for, even though he leads the forwards in 5v5 minutes. He's just completely useless and doesn't seem to have any idea how to contribute. And of course, he's getting way too much rope from Keefe

Problem is as teams have adapted to him and learned to shut him down he's insistent on proving how good he is rather than changing and improving his game

Tired of seeing all the fancy moves to keep the puck cycling on the outside, just put your head down and drive the net

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Problem is as teams have adapted to him and learned to shut him down he's insistent on proving how good he is rather than changing and improving his game

Tired of seeing all the fancy moves to keep the puck cycling on the outside, just put your head down and drive the net

I do agree that he doesn't seem to care to improve, but he also doesn't look like he wants to play his game either. He doesn't look very skilled or dangerous at all, aside from a couple of flashes

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

he still hasn't been on the ice for a 5v5 goal for, even though he leads the forwards in 5v5 minutes. He's just completely useless and doesn't seem to have any idea how to contribute. And of course, he's getting way too much rope from Keefe

I see a guy who is just pre-programmed to try and pass the puck to AM no matter what the hell else is going on. It is so easy to defend this if you just drape a guy on AM all night. Its the same on the PP....all they do when AM is out there is try and force feed him the puck...it's kind of comical in a way if it didn't fill you with anger watching it.

 

[ACC1224]

Problem is as teams have adapted to him and learned to shut him down he's insistent on proving how good he is rather than changing and improving his game

Tired of seeing all the fancy moves to keep the puck cycling on the outside, just put your head down and drive the net

You’re right teams seem to have figured him out but driving to the net isn’t his game.
Perhaps as others have suggested in the past he needs to spend a few games on the 3rd line to regain some confidence. For someone as crazy talented as he is he struggles a bit with self confidence.

 

[TOGuy14]

Problem is as teams have adapted to him and learned to shut him down he's insistent on proving how good he is rather than changing and improving his game

Tired of seeing all the fancy moves to keep the puck cycling on the outside, just put your head down and drive the net

This is the same guy that was asked if he would change anything after an abysmal playoff performance and fifth straight first round elimination and simply said “nope”

he doesn’t have hat gear to review and evolve. He is who he is and thinks that is good enough

 

[Metroid]

I see a guy who is just pre-programmed to try and pass the puck to AM no matter what the hell else is going on. It is so easy to defend this if you just drape a guy on AM all night. Its the same on the PP....all they do when AM is out there is try and force feed him the puck...it's kind of comical in a way if it didn't fill you with anger watching it.

Almost like he's relying on AM to pump his stats up so he thinks he is worth the 11mil.

 

[CapspaceKiller]

He will not be with the leafs at the end of his contract, he's a liability and doesn't fit the identity of a big team that the major players are not afraid of contact. Trade his ass for Matthew Tkatchuk and get it over with it.

 

[ruaware41]

It's clear that the white noise has gotten to him. He looks like he's playing with a dark cloud hanging over him.

He has brought it on himself though so it's tough to feel any empathy. I really hope he figures his way out of it and gets back to being the player he once was, but I'm not sure it's possible in Toronto.

If he continues down this path, the fans are going to turn on him and they will be vocal about it. He could get booed right out of town.

It's clear that the white noise has gotten to him. He looks like he's playing with a dark cloud hanging over him.

He has brought it on himself though so it's tough to feel any empathy. I really hope he figures his way out of it and gets back to being the player he once was, but I'm not sure it's possible in Toronto.

If he continues down this path, the fans are going to turn on him and they will be vocal about it. He could get booed right out of town.

This isn’t the 80s. It’s the day of artificial outrage not real. Doubt he gets booed out of town. Maybe on the internet which is happening

 

[Superstar]

How long is it before he claims his injury . I can just see it and the fans will gobble it up

What injury? Bruised ego from not performing?

 

[Oscar Peterson]

You’re right teams seem to have figured him out but driving to the net isn’t his game.
Perhaps as others have suggested in the past he needs to spend a few games on the 3rd line to regain some confidence. For someone as crazy talented as he is he struggles a bit with self confidence.

When I say drive the net, what I mean is how he played back when the Marleau Kadri Marner line was first put together, every time he had the puck he was attacking the net and then when he was pressured he'd pass to the open guy. Right now, it is hold the puck as long as I can and look for Matthews 24/7. I wanna see him play on a line where he knows he is THE guy and hope he rediscovers something, because right now he is not fun to watch

 

[killer1980]

All this talk about what these pretty boys have to do is pretty funny. I've seen it time and rime again, give young guys a ton of money and freedom to do what they want and they could care less about working hard. The bottom line is the top 2 slugs got their dough and now it's party time. Anyone that thinks that Matthews isn't on the phone and telling his mommy he wants to go home is delusional and Marner can relax for 4 more years knowing he made his daddy proud.

 

[Oscar Peterson]

I do agree that he doesn't seem to care to improve, but he also doesn't look like he wants to play his game either. He doesn't look very skilled or dangerous at all, aside from a couple of flashes

Again I think a lot of this has to do with teams just learning and figuring out how to stop him. He still has hands but D men don't overpressure him anymore the way they used to when he was younger. He's one dimensional and teams have caught on. IMO the best he looked was with Kadri and then that first year of Tavares, even has his point production has gone up since I attribute that more to growth from Matthews / improvements around the roster, to me he doesn't look like he has any of the magic he used to play with in his first two years especially

I mean personally I wanted him traded this summer, not a fan of the guy personally and didn't like the contract from day one, but while he's here I'm going to cheer him on and wish the best for him, but I just don't think he's got enough going for him mentally to live up to his potential

 

[Throw More Waffles]

This is the same guy that was asked if he would change anything after an abysmal playoff performance and fifth straight first round elimination and simply said “nope”

he doesn’t have hat gear to review and evolve. He is who he is and thinks that is good enough

And they asked him after game 3 about his start and he doubled down on his "wouldn't change a thing" stance.

 

[Mikeyg]

Getting crushed from the weight of the contract. Needs to be traded for Eichel, then next year we have a good team.