Value of: Jack Quinn, Dylan Cozens, Jordan Greenway

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Well, one option is the post above this from Cowbell.

There's a pretty decent amount of talent on this team, and it's certainly well-above AHL quality. I do hope you were using hyperbole there.

The plan should be to fill in the roster holes that are obvious to most. In other words, another quality 1/2 center, and a top 4 defensive dman. It definitely shouldn't be to get rid of players like Thompson or Tuch.

I think in an ideal world, this is the sort of direction that makes sense for the Sabres. Basically...sell off the UFA pieces (Zucker, Greenway, Jokiharju), maybe even try to unload that Samuelsson contract for something if you can. Basically collecting more futures.

Then make your Top-5 Draft selection (and don't screw it up :laugh: ).

Then combine those futures from the deadline "sell off" with what the Sabres already have in a huge pool of prospects and picks, trying to put together some "package deals" for solid established NHL players. Things more like the Savoie for McLeod deal. Ideally on a bigger scale, but you've gotta take what you can get and take your medicine, get raked over the coals for "bad value" in a vacuum. Buffalo has long had an issue where they've seemed to "hit" on a lot of similar sort of players. They've got so many smallish/skilled scoring line guys, and mostly wingers. And stumbling upon offensive-minded defencemen. At some point, you just aren't ever going to have room for them all to thrive in the Top-6 with lots of Powerplay minutes at the same time. So you've gotta try to consolidate all these Benson / Quinn / Kulich / Rosen / Ostlund / Helenius / Krebs / Kisakov / etc. (i'm sure i've missed a bunch) down from having these little skill guys coming out your ears, to a smaller number of different profiled players who can either play a more effective, grinding, complementary role in the Top-6, or can be more effective playing rugged Bottom-6 minutes, without prime offensive zone starts, powerplay time, etc.


Now the problem is...a lot of the perceived "strength" of the Sabres prospect pool is perennially in the sort of "steals" that everyone here always loves at the draft. You get the "swing for the fences" smallish high skill picks and that's great for "winning the draft" and even winning the "prospect pool depth competition". But the reason everyone glosses over for these player types often "slipping" so far in the draft, is that in reality...other teams are simply placing more of a premium on other traits and skillsets that are necessary to building a coherent overall "team", over just acquiring the "most skill possible". So while it's easy to say at the draft, "just pick good players and you can trade your way out of it"...the reality is, it's really really difficult to actually do, because teams don't tend to trade big shutdown RHD and quality Top-6 two-way Centers for collections of smallish skilled wingers and stuff.


So that's where ideally it makes an abundance of sense for the Sabres to just bundle a bunch of those guys and draft picks for the pieces they need like that. But in reality...it may end up being a tougher pill to swallow, where you have to think about moving the guys who have risen to the top in "value" like Peterka, Byram, Benson possibly if the bloom is still on that one. Then you have to hope that some of the many other "in house" solutions for puck-moving defencemen and skilled wingers who are underperforming or haven't made the jump yet, can develop well and ultimately backfill those spots.

It's that concept of, "you've gotta give to get". It requires a lot of faith in the futures pieces coming up to "hit". Though that's really the whole issue with trying to package those guys for a better fit in the first place; where this would just be Buffalo betting on their own guys, rather than asking another team to stretch on that belief in someone else's prospect/young player that they didn't pick themselves.


But i understand why the optics of that sort of approach would be hard to stomach for the Sabres fans. To take a guy who looks like he's really becoming something like Byram...and moving him rather than Power who has the big contract and seemingly stagnating a bit. Or to move a guy like Peterka or Benson or maybe even Kulich...to try to get something badly needed to fill those glaring holes in the lineup, and counting on that "next wave" of forward prospects to backfill their roles. It's an awfully deep hole the Sabres have dug for themselves, and i'm not sure there's an elegant, optically rose-coloured solution to getting out of it. :dunno:
 
I know they feel that way and thats the insanity of it all. Theyre in last place again!!! Change it up.

14-15 - 30th
15-16 - 23rd
16-17 - 26th
17-18 - 31st
18-19 - 27th
19-20 - 25th
20-21 - 31st
21-22 - 24th
22-23 - 20th (had lol career years from everyone, still missed, paid them, and they fell off the planet since)
23-24 - 22nd
24-25 - 29th

This is my point. Maybe stop doing what youve been doing or do the opposite of what you think you should be doing. Its obviously not working.
Personally, I find the issue with our organization has been the lack of commitment to one approach for 3-4 seasons to grow the team. 2015-2020 was the Eichel era, and we didn't commit to him/Reinhart/RoR (for several reasons). Now we are 2020-2025, where we have Thompson/Dahlin/Tuch, and if you move on you are pushing any sort of playoff window to 2027/28 at least.

I dont think the organization will take that risk to be fully transparent.
 
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Thompson is exactly what is wrong with this entire roster. Not him specifically, obviously, but he was signed to a 7x$7.1M contract after one 68 point season. Adams literally is rolling the dice on every deal overpaying and hoping they all pan out. That is a recipe for overspending and obviously eventual bad contracts.

I dont have nor want time to look for specific proposals, but here are generic ones then fill in the blanks from whatever team. Its a sellers market this year, so sell!

Thompson - By far the most valuable asset.
Power - Contract hurts, but should still get a decent bounty from someone for the 1OA tag on him.
Cozens - Contract hurts, but should still get a decent bounty from someone
Tuch - Sabres will be dumb and give him 5x$6M or something and then in three years will be wishing he was gone.

All of the above players should get you some very high end near holy crap prospects and multiple 1st-2nd round picks on top.

Greenway - picks
Zucker - picks
Joker - picks

Benson - Keep
Quinn - Keep
Peterka - Keep
Byram - Keep
UPL - Keep

A lot of these should be just starting their ELC or have more years left and are forced to pay them prematurely, but Sabres are dumb per usual thinking theyre good before they actually are and boom lottery team again.

Sign a bunch of Zucker type players and give the entire Amerks team their 9 games rotating in and out, suck for 3 years, going ham at the draft and hope. Rantanen and Marner arent signing here even if you offer $15M per so cant depend on free agency.
LOL if the Sabres got Tuch for 5x6M after he is done i'd actually be singing praises like wtf are you even talking about.....guy is a mad power forward and having until he's 35 would not be bad.
 
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Sanderson is a LD though so what would you do to clear your LD logjam?
I'd expect honestly it would be a larger deal to clear up some of that logjam. Byram may be moved, Power may be moved. I dont really see another deal that makes sense with Peterka to the Senators. Sanderson would be my target, and then I'd look to move the logjam as needed. Dahlin is very good on that right side, and we very easily can move out Gilbert to put Sanderson there.
 
Lots. Lots and lots.

Peterka/Byram or Power/choice of prospect?
I think if the Sabres could do Peterka + Byram for Sanderson and Pinto I'd be elated. Another strong middle six center and a great offensive defenseman for a great young top 6 winger and a true top 4 defenseman with two way updside.

If course, I'd love to keep Byram, but understand if Ottawa would be hard set on obtaining him.
 
it seems like your plan is to go in the opposite direction lmao.
It is! I want them suck and hopefully fall into the next McDavid or Crosby or whoever. Sadly it seems 1 in 3 or 4 are franchise changers. IMO they had it with Eichel despite losing 1OA, but fumbled that obviously.

Last 20 years:

AO, Sid, Kane, Stamkos, MacKinnon, McDavid, Matthews, Hughes, then hard maybes in Bedard and Celebrini.

I know its no guarantee, but I like those odds drafting low for consecutive years like the Hawks and Sharks are going to do. Or buy this deadline/offseason and stay in the bottom of the league.

The players apparently available are only going to bring back similar players if you arent asking for pure futures.
 
Personally, I find the issue with our organization has been the lack of commitment to one approach for 3-4 seasons to grow the team. 2015-2020 was the Eichel era, and we didn't commit to him/Reinhart/RoR (for several reasons). Now we are 2020-2025, where we have Thompson/Dahlin/Tuch, and if you move on you are pushing any sort of playoff window to 2027/28 at least.

I dont think the organization will take that risk to be fully transparent.
Great! Push it off and rack up a ton of prospects. At least its a plan thats better than fumble around the 17-25 ranks of the NHL.
 
Our LD logjam is a tiny bit overblown given how Dahlin prefers RD and plays better when playing RD. There's even a small sample size of Byram playing better as RD.

Yeah. I'd say the LD/RD thing is a bit overblown for Buffalo. It's really more about the overlap of "player types" than the handedness/sides. Overloaded a little bit on LH shooting offensive-minded D who are all kind of competing for the same sort of minutes. At least, that's sorta how it looks to me.

It's where...regardless of RD/LD, i think Buffalo does still have to make some sort of a call on which two of Dahlin/Byram/Power they want to really build around. And probably need two more "shutdown" or "stay at home" types. Though that could be two RHD, or it could be on RHD and one LHD just fine, which gives them a little more wiggle room in trying to find the right guys to restructure their blueline more coherently.

Samuelsson sort of falling off a cliff and being pretty undependable is frustrating for Sabres, as he at least seemed like he could potentially be one of those solutions at one point, when they handed out the super risky projection contract.
 
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That's what I assumed. To help my understanding, who are the "untouchables" and the "gotta give to get" players for Ottawa?
I'd say Timmy and Sandy are the top of the list, even Brady is more available than either of them. They are the backbones of the offense and defense respectively and both on great deals
 
Is it the consensus of HFBoards that the players in this Kevyn Adams group of 22-24-year-olds:

Cozens/Quinn/Peterka/Krebs/Byram/Power/Samuelsson

is what it is and will not get better?

I ask because I see posts saying "the Sabres won't get better any time soon".

Basically, is the consensus that group has washed out?
 

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