Mitch Marner "waiting for something good from you" edition part III

[LilySmoov]

You really think people would give him a break because he signed for less when he has a bad playoffs? People crap on players making league minimum all the time. The entire concept is naive at best.

They wouldn't give him a break, per se, but the nature of the negative feedback would be radically different. It would be more standard "one of our highest paid players has been garbage, what the f***, get it together" instead of "f*** this greedy self-serving dickwad, he contributed to our mangled cap just to satisfy his ego and on top of that he's still been garbage". He'd still be getting shit, rightfully so, but not of the same caliber.

 

[francis246]

lol you defend him like his father nobody no excuse for what the boy doing

may fav player buddy

 

[studebaker17]

Are you freaking kidding me? He was coming off a 40 goal/90 point season. Can you imagine… can you IMAGINE… what Dubas would give a player coming off a 40 goal 90 point final elc season?

for 3 yrs and it was the only season he's put up numbers like that , before , or since. We'll see what his new contract looks like next year . Didn't realize he'd signed a new contract . 9.5 over 8 is a pretty good.

 

[93LEAFS]

They wouldn't give him a break, per se, but the nature of the negative feedback would be radically different. It would be more standard "one of our highest paid players has been garbage, what the f***, get it together" instead of "f*** this greedy self-serving dickwad, he contributed to our mangled cap just to satisfy his ego and on top of that he's still been garbage". He'd still be getting shit, rightfully so, but not of the same caliber.

And that's worth 10m to some? Some strangers being less harsh on you? Maybe if we are talking yen or pesos but not USD.

 

[keonsbitterness]

So they can enjoy literally crying in the penalty box. No issues with me. Choose evil greed (for no benefit to lifestyle), and face the consequences. No prob.

You're zoning in Marner which is understandable, but most of today's players are their own mini-corporate brands and are trying to maximize their earnings in a business with a relatively short shelf life. Tavares almost certainly wasn't going to sign here for 11 million if it wasn't massively front-loaded.

Also takes two to tango. Leaf management could have played hard(er) ball with Marner. They chose not to.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Dubas is 100 per cent responsible for all those contracts

Tavares was handed a 11 million

Matthews then asked for 12 based on the fact he I said better

Marner led the leafs in points in all but one year of his elc

Why wouldn’t he ask for what he wanted

Dubas caved because we can and we will

It’s a game

POsters get too emotional to the point of ridiculousness

Death threats / family trashed/

I agree marner needs to be traded

DUbas has caused all the he problems with the leafs

He enabled these entitled players the opportunity to act the way they do

Matthews shouldn’t get a pass either. He won’t be here when his contract is up

Tavares is a once in every 100 years signing. You do it if he chooses you.

It's like dressing Derrick Henry over some backup with a good matchup in fantasy. If Henry puts up a dud you still had to dress him 10/10 times. You're not going to say "oh no I should have benched Henry".

I was lurking here when Tavares was signed, it was like christmas morning. So people need to stop acting fake.

 

[Stephen]

Tavares is a once in every 100 years signing. You do it if he chooses you.

It's like dressing Derrick Henry over some backup with a good matchup in fantasy. If Henry puts up a dud you still had to dress him 10/10 times. You're not going to say "oh no I should have benched Henry".

I was lurking here when Tavares was signed, it was like christmas morning. So people need to stop acting fake.

July 2018 was a long time ago. It can be possible to have been excited for the Leafs future at the time of the signing and then having lived the future realize that big splash came at a big hidden cost.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

for 3 yrs and it was the only season he's put up numbers like that , before , or since. We'll see what his new contract looks like next year . Didn't realize he'd signed a new contract . 9.5 over 8 is a pretty good.

Marner had only put up one 90 point season as well.
I’m sick of these excuses. SICK of them.

 

[francis246]

I didn't say everyone would take the $50 mil. Just most people. The non evil/greedy people. It makes NO difference on Marner's lifestyle. None. It's just ego points that come out of his TEAMMATES pockets.

And being that we've seen him literally crying in the penalty box... I'm wondering if he'd prefer the SAME LIFESTYLE without the ridiculous extra pressure.

And if players take team-friendly deals, fans/media 100% go easier on them. You're flat out lying if you suggest otherwise.

I’m not evil nor am I greedy if I choose more money. I’m doing what’s best for me. That does not make me greedy or an evil person, that makes me smart. You don’t live for other people.

Ofc they go easier on them. But again that’s something that is out of Marner’s control. He didn’t create the cap system. The NHL and those players in the 05 lock out did. Now he has to all of a sudden take less than what he believes he’s worth? f*** that.

 

[francis246]

Marner had only put up one 90 point season as well.
I’m sick of these excuses. SICK of them.

hes also been the teams leading scorer all but one season when Matthews was the leading scorer. He’s def earned his contract but since the playoffs he hasn’t lived up to it. I don’t really think that’s worth all the hate he’s been getting but to each their own

 

[makbeer]

Unfortunately what’s happened in the last six months with this team has vindicated Babcock to a certain extent. Clearly he wasn’t the problem. He may not have been the solution but he wasn’t the problem either.

Coaching won’t fix Marner. He obviously just doesn’t care.

I mean the Leafs only advantage over other teams is the ability to spend endlessly on management and staff.

and yet we are here with rookie gm, rookie coach and rookie president.

We should have a staff who knows what it takes to win a cup, not be trying to figure it out.

 

[makbeer]

Tavares is a once in every 100 years signing. You do it if he chooses you.

It's like dressing Derrick Henry over some backup with a good matchup in fantasy. If Henry puts up a dud you still had to dress him 10/10 times. You're not going to say "oh no I should have benched Henry".

I was lurking here when Tavares was signed, it was like christmas morning. So people need to stop acting fake.

actually I didn’t like the signing then. I wasn’t a fan of JT on the Islanders, I thought he was overrated and didn’t have the foot speed to be a top centre in the league

 

[LilySmoov]

And that's worth 10m to some? Some strangers being less harsh on you? Maybe if we are talking yen or pesos but not USD.

Well to be fair that wasn't the question I responded to.

That said, though, you're being a bit disingenuous in your framing. Everything else aside, it's not $10M vs. $0, it's ~$65M vs.~$55-60M. The benefits conferred by shaving a bit off the top of an already extremely handsome contract are definitely more valuable to some.

 

[93LEAFS]

Well to be fair that wasn't the question I responded to.

That said, though, you're being a bit disingenuous in your framing. Everything else aside, it's not $10M vs. $0, it's ~$65M vs.~$55-60M. The benefits conferred by shaving a bit off the top of an already extremely handsome contract are definitely more valuable to some.

Even if you remove the actual salary numbers (10m). Cutting your salary by 15% so people you don't even know like you more or don't criticize you as harshly is ridiculous. No rational person would do that. Especially when it isn't even guaranteed.

 

[LilySmoov]

Even if you remove the actual salary numbers (10m). Cutting your salary by 15% so people you don't even know like you more or don't criticize you as harshly is ridiculous. No rational person would do that. Especially when it isn't even guaranteed.

On paper, sure. But this evaluation is being made in the context of being a professional athlete on one of the largest stages in pro sports. There's plenty of precedent to point to of players being unable/unwilling to deal with fairly high-scale fan/media-led backlash (Toronto certainly has a reputation for driving players away, and there's a reason why almost all of us even as fans rather hate our city's sports media). If there's anything to the speculation that Marner specifically is or would be taking such backlash particularly hard, then you could make the argument he personally would have been objectively better off leaving money on the table. There's a difference between "some people you don't know not liking you more" and "not having a potentially very large contingent of the people you perform for think you're a f***head".

 

[Sundinisagod]

What about Patrick Kane?

also he’s been a consistent top 15 point getter the last 3 seasons. Prior to this one. If we are calling a spade a spade. He hasn’t performed in the playoffs and it’s really the only thing people on here have against him. So if he’s not worth his contract, neither is Matthews.

my biggest gripe is people blaming him alone for everything. Last I checked hockey is is a team sport. He’s also got JT and Matthews lots of open looks to start the season and they’ve just completely missed. JT has been having trouble scoring the last two years, Matthews hits the posts way too much for my liking.

If we are using Kane as a comparable, we should be comparing them at the same point in their career, not early 20’s vs early 30’s.

Their points in their first 3 seasons were extremely close.

These are their contracts coming off entry level.

Marner 10.9 x 6 = 13.38% of cap

Kane 6.3 x 5 = 11.09% of cap

 

[93LEAFS]

On paper, sure. But this evaluation is being made in the context of being a professional athlete on one of the largest stages in pro sports. There's plenty of precedent to point to of players being unable/unwilling to deal with fairly high-scale fan/media-led backlash (Toronto certainly has a reputation for driving players away, and there's a reason why almost all of us even as fans rather hate our city's sports media). If there's anything to the speculation that Marner specifically is or would be taking such backlash particularly hard, then you could make the argument he personally would have been objectively better off leaving money on the table. There's a difference between "some people you don't know not liking you more" and "not having a potentially very large contingent of the people you perform for think you're a f***head".

If he doesn't like how you are being treated in Toronto, he should have still taken the same contract and if it doesn't work out ask for a trade. Not cut his salary by 15% so people might criticize him less.

 

[Superstar]

Even if you remove the actual salary numbers (10m). Cutting your salary by 15% so people you don't even know like you more or don't criticize you as harshly is ridiculous. No rational person would do that. Especially when it isn't even guaranteed.

To be fair, Marner did release a make-up video to his fans, people he doesn't know, after he signed the contract.

 

[Carltons Cup]

Mitch had more velocity on his shot in his peewee days than he does today.

He said he worked on his shot over the summer. Who's he kidding?

 

[keonsbitterness]

To be fair, Marner did release a make-up video to his fans, people he doesn't know, after he signed the contract.

Brand protection. Didn't really work though.

 

[Superstar]

Brand protection. Didn't really work though.

So it's still all about the money with Marner, gotcha...

 

[Sundinisagod]

Mitch had more velocity on his shot in his peewee days than he does today.

He said he worked on his shot over the summer. Who's he kidding?

nhl21 snipes

 

[Sundinisagod]

So it's still all about the money with Marner, gotcha...

wait, you thought that video was sincere?

 

[LilySmoov]

If he doesn't like how you are being treated in Toronto, he should have still taken the same contract and if it doesn't work out ask for a trade. Not cut his salary by 15% so people might criticize him less.

Which is only a tenable solution if he doesn't care where he plays, or doesn't care about being in Toronto specifically (which it's probably safe to assume he does).

And of course he could end up in another market with a similarly rabid fanbase. Can't imagine he'd be having an easier time in basically any other Canadian city right now. So what then? Keep asking for trades and uprooting your life every so often? Would've been easier to just leave a few bucks on the table.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Brand protection. Didn't really work though.

I avoid any products or services that MM endorses...just plain not going to give any money to those companies that use Marner to slog their wares...I am not alone in that...I guarantee it.