Mitch Marner (Trade or Keep)?

[leafs in five]

Did they play hard?

as I recall they did. on a team that spent double what many other teams in the league spent on player salaries, that frequently reached: the conference semi-finals.

 

[Nineteen67]

as I recall they did. on a team that spent double what many other teams in the league spent on player salaries, that frequently reached: the conference semi-finals.

All the Leafs need now is a couple of core players that play a harder game.

 

[leafs in five]

All the Leafs need now is a couple of core players that play a harder game.

could add 4-5 if we could run a payroll 30m higher than most of our opponents

 

[leafs in five]

people said Sundin didn't play hard or care enough, they were dumb and wrong, obviously

 

[Antropovsky]

people said Sundin didn't play hard or care enough, they were dumb and wrong, obviously

Your comparing Marner to 6'5 230lb #1 overall center, playing in the clutch and grab era? Put up 94 pim one year. Playing with the likes of Jonas Hogund, Renberg, Thomas 32+ year old Mogilny and 34+ year old Roberts or36-yearr old Thomas?

Sundin made a living on the cycle carrying opponents on his back and around the front of the net.

 

[leafs in five]

yeah he was incredible, absolute legend. and he never won a cup or made a finals. which means, what? that it was not possible to win a cup with Sundin as your best player?

 

[Arzak]

yeah he was incredible, absolute legend. and he never won a cup or made a finals. which means, what? that it was not possible to win a cup with Sundin as your best player?

It means it's hard to win SC, even with players suited for playoffs.

What are the odds of winning with Mitch as our best player?
Not that I think he is anywhere close to Matthews.

 

[leafs in five]

It means it's hard to win SC, even with players suited for playoffs.

this is a shift from the mid-thread consensus which was if they haven't won in 7 years it is proof they won't ever win.

What are the odds of winning with Mitch as our best player?

I don't know, friend

 

[Trapper]

I can't see Marner asking for 13 mil.

Can’t see Marner not wanting to be the highest paid winger in the league.
Right now it’s Panarin at 11.6
So Marner 12 and Matthews 13.
Then everyone can say what a great team friendly deal they took for us because it’s not 15 and 13. Add Nylander at 10 and win me some rounds.

 

[Gary Nylund]

this is a shift from the mid-thread consensus which was if they haven't won in 7 years it is proof they won't ever win.

I think the case people were making that they won't ever win "with this core". Now I'm not generally a fan of absolutes like "can't" and "won't" but the last 7 years do suggest that they might be on to something. I mean if they roll back the same core with the same coach (we already know it will be the same coach), I'm not saying they "can't win", but I don't like our chances.

 

[leafs in five]

I think the case people were making that they won't ever win "with this core". Now I'm not generally a fan of absolutes like "can't" and "won't" but the last 7 years do suggest that they might be on to something. I mean if they roll back the same core with the same coach (we already know it will be the same coach), I'm not saying they "can't win", but I don't like our chances.

yeah I get this and I understand people's scepticism, if not their outright hostility, toward this group. I still think they have a better chance than any other Leafs team I've watched in my lifetime, including those Sundin teams. I was 7 in 93 so I don't include that team in the assessment.

 

[Gary Nylund]

yeah I get this and I understand people's scepticism, if not their outright hostility, toward this group. I still think they have a better chance than any other Leafs team I've watched in my lifetime, including those Sundin teams. I was 7 in 93 so I don't include that team in the assessment.

I started watching around 1970 or so and I'd also say this group has a better chance than any other Leaf team I've seen. I'd also say that that says more about how bad we've been over the last 50+ years than how good this group is and the chances of winning the cup with this core are quite slim.

IMO it's time to try something else and if one core piece is to be moved then Marner would be my first choice.

 

[the Mighty Oak]

Can’t see Marner not wanting to be the highest paid winger in the league.
Right now it’s Panarin at 11.6
So Marner 12 and Matthews 13.
Then everyone can say what a great team friendly deal they took for us because it’s not 15 and 13. Add Nylander at 10 and win me some rounds.

In reality, his next. contract. should have been around 10-11.0 aav Doobis and shanny really messed up. the first time around. Two inexperienced guys left in charge of a real promising roster and they blew it. It really sucks being a fan and watching all this go down. and I'm still shocked that Shannon wanted to give Dubus an extension.

If Marner has a better season than Matthew. next season again There could be big trouble. and he gets himself traded.

 

[Trapper]

I started watching around 1970 or so and I'd also say this group has a better chance than any other Leaf team I've seen. I'd also say that that says more about how bad we've been over the last 50+ years than how good this group is and the chances of winning the cup with this core are quite slim.

IMO it's time to try something else and if one core piece is to be moved then Marner would be my first choice.

I don’t think they can win with this group.
I think a host of things need to happen to change my view:

1. Is it really about 4 guys or 23? I have a hard time believing the latter.

2. Contracts. Matthews/Marner/Nylander. Are you the highest paid at your positions or are you reasonable cap hits with term? You can’t take advantage of a cap increase if everyone’s salary keeps going up every 4 years. Sure the cap increases but instead of Matthews making 11, he’s making 13 then 15. No.

3. Tavares. We might flounder until he is gone and a “new” core member with different attributes comes on.

4. Change your game. Yzerman had to change. If you keep playing like an All-Star game in the playoffs, the above doesn’t matter and the core fails.

 

[bodechek]

Here is what a former Leaf thinks about Marner.

 

[notdoneyet]

In reality, his next. contract. should have been around 10-11.0 aav Doobis and shanny really messed up. the first time around. Two inexperienced guys left in charge of a real promising roster and they blew it. It really sucks being a fan and watching all this go down. and I'm still shocked that Shannon wanted to give Dubus an extension.

If Marner has a better season than Matthew. next season again There could be big trouble. and he gets himself traded.

So your saying that marner should have a shitty season so he wont get traded.
What a joke of a post
Marner will out score matthews once again like he always does and get paid for doing so
Its not his fault that our management decided to pay 5 players more than half our cap and will once again do so in the future.

 

[ACC1224]

Here is what a former Leaf thinks about Marner.

This was dumb the first 18 times it was posted.

 

[the Mighty Oak]

So your saying that marner should have a shitty season so he wont get traded.
What a joke of a post
Marner will out score matthews once again like he always does and get paid for doing so
Its not his fault that our management decided to pay 5 players more than half our cap and will once again do so in the future.

What are you going on about bud?

 

[notdoneyet]

What are you going on about bud

In reality, his next. contract. should have been around 10-11.0 aav Doobis and shanny really messed up. the first time around. Two inexperienced guys left in charge of a real promising roster and they blew it. It really sucks being a fan and watching all this go down. and I'm still shocked that Shannon wanted to give Dubus an extension.

If Marner has a better season than Matthew. next season again There could be big trouble. and he gets himself traded

I

In reality, his next. contract. should have been around 10-11.0 aav Doobis and shanny really messed up. the first time around. Two inexperienced guys left in charge of a real promising roster and they blew it. It really sucks being a fan and watching all this go down. and I'm still shocked that Shannon wanted to give Dubus an extension.

If Marner has a better season than Matthew. next season again There could be big trouble. and he gets himself traded.

Well you are in a marner traded forum and you state that if marner has a better season than matthews there could be big trouble and he gets himself traded.
I take that as in order fir marner not to get traded he has to have a shitty season

Isnt that what you meant or did i read your post wrong

 

[Yall are crazy]

Does Marner have any accomplishments?

Google is free and others will not do the work for you even if you're lazy

 

[Da Mash]

Did they play hard?

They all play hard. Some show it and some not. I don’t think we failed because of lack of effort IMHO

 

[Nineteen67]

They all play hard. Some show it and some not. I don’t think we failed because of lack of effort IMHO

The failed because they’re not built to win in the playoffs.
Part of that is the skilled players oftentimes pulled the chute in big moments.
The silly smiles when getting ragged dolled or punched in the face are symptoms of the disease.

 

[Strangle]

I see a lot of similarities between these Leafs and those Sens teams

The 2018-2023 Leafs are the 2003 Senators

 

[ULF_55]

He has a NMC ... he isn't moving anywhere.

Too bad he can't play center.

Matthews
marner
Tavares

Wasted 7 years of Matthews and marner.

 

[leafs in five]

The 2018-2023 Leafs are the 2003 Senators

could do worse